Deadly Diseases Making a Come-Back because of Unvaxed - Page 2

[Turquesa]

Originally Posted by gumblossom 

But also told we were lucky to have a "milder" case because of the vaccine.

I hear this A LOT.  At the risk of thread-jacking, has anybody ever provided data to back up this claim?  Or just anecdotes?  What studies have been conducted on vaccinated v. unvaccinated individuals with whooping cough?  How do they operationally define and measure "mildness" and "severity?"  All questions worth asking....

[BeckyBird]

Lol, so true. A milder case....just take their word for it.

Would someone with a "milder case" transmit the same "milder case" to an infant? Or, is it only "milder" for the vaccinated person? Considering how we are all urged to vaccinate to protect the young and weak, this vaccine is really not doing much to prevent transmission.

[Katie8681]

Originally Posted by BeckyBird 

Lol, so true. A milder case....just take their word for it.

Would someone with a "milder case" transmit the same "milder case" to an infant? Or, is it only "milder" for the vaccinated person? Considering how we are all urged to vaccinate to protect the young and weak, this vaccine is really not doing much to prevent transmission.

In a milder case, there's less of a risk of transmission because the person is coughing less and/or for a shorter period of time. 

http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/37/6/772.long This study looked at children and found that vaccinated children who did get pertussis had shorter, less severe cases. 

[BeckyBird]

I was joking about the milder case--gumblossom's family obviously did not have a mild case,  yet they were told they had a mild case.

With their "mild case" as the doctors described it, they still coughed for weeks. How is that for preventing transmission?

Katie, I copied this from your link:

We estimated the effectiveness of pertussis vaccination in reducing the clinical severity of breakthrough disease among vaccinated individuals from a comprehensive follow-up study of a community of 30,000 residents of Niakhar, Senegal, in 1993.

[gumblossom]

Yes, our "mild case" had us literally coughing for three months.My three year old son had the classic "whoop" sound when he coughed at night,and would often struggle for breath whilst coughing at night.That didn't seem all that mild! But,maybe it could have been worse?At the earlier stages of the disease,the doctor we saw reassured us it wasn't Whooping cough because we'd been vaccinated.We were told it was just a cough that sounded like whooping cough.It was near Christmas time,and we kept socializing - spreading our germs around,no doubt.Luckily we didn't come into close contact with small babies during that time. It wasn't until later that we were diagnosed with Pertusis.

[Katie8681]

Originally Posted by BeckyBird 

I was joking about the milder case--gumblossom's family obviously did not have a mild case,  yet they were told they had a mild case.

With their "mild case" as the doctors described it, they still coughed for weeks. How is that for preventing transmission?

Who knows how severe their cases would have been if they had not had the vaccine? How could it have prevented transmission if they were still coughing for weeks? It might have decreased the risk of transmission by the bacterial load being lower, the coughing less violent. As for spreading germs around when you thought it wasn't pertussis, doesn't common sense tell you to keep your kids from large crowds when they're sick? Anyway, you're right, your doctor didn't seem to be using any objective criteria to label your case "milder". If your case WASN'T milder, it still doesn't mean that on the whole, looking at a population, people tend to have less severe cases of pertussis if they do get it despite being vaccinated. Does everyone who gets pertussis despite being vaccinated get a milder version of the illness? No.

Katie, I copied this from your link:

We estimated the effectiveness of pertussis vaccination in reducing the clinical severity of breakthrough disease among vaccinated individuals from a comprehensive follow-up study of a community of 30,000 residents of Niakhar, Senegal, in 1993.

Yes?

[Devaskyla]

They aren't coming back, they're just being diagnosed properly more often. I suspect because of all the media fear mongering from the recent pertussis outbreaks.

I read this article today that I think is relevant http://vactruth.com/2012/04/25/change-names-of-diseases/?utm_source=The+Vaccine+Truth+Newsletter&utm_campaign=5ec9b4eeb5-04_25_2012_Rename_Diseases&utm_medium=email  When the vaccine is introduced, suddenly no one who's been vaccinated has that disease anymore, they have a completely different disease that just happens to resemble the previous disease.