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Ok, here's a question.  I am having a lot of CM... and I mean, a lot (sorry, if TMI). Milky white, but not EW.

 

My boobs are sore, but that's probably the trigger shot.  This is my first time with Clomid and trigger shot.  Has anyone else experienced similar CM during TWW?  I know, I'm obsessing. blush.gif

 

 

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Yay Carmen!! I am thrilled for you and sending lots of sticky vibes your way!!!!

 

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PS I really love the veggie parades so Im hoping all of you in the TWW get BFP so we can have pages and pages of parades!!!biggrinbounce.gif

 

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Dandy, I haven't experienced that, but if you haven't seen it, check out beautifulcervix.com. It has photos of cervixes and their mucus at every day of the cycle. There's a lot going on in there! Of course, it can also be left over from sex....blush.gif.... or possibly even from low-level arousal from constantly thinking about insemming/sex/ or those gorgeous fertility balls!!!!! lol.gif

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Hahahahahahahaha!!!! Oh my god, Outdoorsy, that killed me!! ROTFLMAO.gifROTFLMAO.gifROTFLMAO.gif

 

I expect you're right. It's probably nothing.  Thanks for the beautifulcervix website. I happened on it ages ago, and had forgotten about it.  Going to check it out again.

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Krista: I can't wait to see your story on Friday. I remember reading about what happened to your donor when DW and I were trying to find a donor online.

 

AFM: Guys I am really having a hard day.gloomy.gif I went to the RE. 1) I haven't been there for a couple of months and needed to give update on planning to use shipped fresh sperm which RE was obvious about not supporting..saying there isn't much difference between fresh and frozen sperm. I don't agree with this particularly since the monetary factor alone with frozen sperm has been very difficult for DW and I. 2) RE id'd since I was 35 and haven't gotten pregnant yet she wanted to check my ovarian reserves. Since I am on CD2 I went to get FSH and AMH tested today, and results won't be back until early next week. RE said that if I do have diminished ovarian reserve then there is really nothing she could do for that bc even if I were to try Clomid then I would be stimulating a bunch of low quality eggs which she guesses won't have a great chance at helping me get pregnant. I felt so defeated after the appointment, really there is nothing that can be done if I do have low egg quality? I don't know about anyone here but I haven't spend 1000s of dollars and experienced emotional and physical upheaval to just stand back and believe that there is nothing that can be done. Leaving that office, I felt really defeated mostly bc of bleak picture RE painted if in fact I do have crappy test results. I know I am putting the cart before the horse...I haven't got back the test results. I am just super worried and if anyone has thoughts about anything that could be done about low egg quality I would greatly appreciate it.

 

 

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Originally Posted by dandylez View Post

Ok, here's a question.  I am having a lot of CM... and I mean, a lot (sorry, if TMI). Milky white, but not EW.

 

My boobs are sore, but that's probably the trigger shot.  This is my first time with Clomid and trigger shot.  Has anyone else experienced similar CM during TWW?  I know, I'm obsessing. blush.gif

 

 



Creamy CM is very common in pregnancy...some women get TONS. I only had a small amount when pregnant with DD but it was enough that I noticed the difference.



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Originally Posted by invitnconceptn View Post

Krista: I can't wait to see your story on Friday. I remember reading about what happened to your donor when DW and I were trying to find a donor online.

 

AFM: Guys I am really having a hard day.gloomy.gif I went to the RE. 1) I haven't been there for a couple of months and needed to give update on planning to use shipped fresh sperm which RE was obvious about not supporting..saying there isn't much difference between fresh and frozen sperm. I don't agree with this particularly since the monetary factor alone with frozen sperm has been very difficult for DW and I. 2) RE id'd since I was 35 and haven't gotten pregnant yet she wanted to check my ovarian reserves. Since I am on CD2 I went to get FSH and AMH tested today, and results won't be back until early next week. RE said that if I do have diminished ovarian reserve then there is really nothing she could do for that bc even if I were to try Clomid then I would be stimulating a bunch of low quality eggs which she guesses won't have a great chance at helping me get pregnant. I felt so defeated after the appointment, really there is nothing that can be done if I do have low egg quality? I don't know about anyone here but I haven't spend 1000s of dollars and experienced emotional and physical upheaval to just stand back and believe that there is nothing that can be done. Leaving that office, I felt really defeated mostly bc of bleak picture RE painted if in fact I do have crappy test results. I know I am putting the cart before the horse...I haven't got back the test results. I am just super worried and if anyone has thoughts about anything that could be done about low egg quality I would greatly appreciate it.

 

 



Your RE sounds like an idiot (sorry). Why even bother saying all those things without knowing the results of the Day 3 tests? That just seems ignorant and insensitive. There is no reason to assume you have low reserves. And fwiw, my RE said he'd try Clomid for me if I wanted because it can stimulate more eggs which increases your chance of catching a good one....seems like pretty good logic to me. Acupuncture can help with egg quality as can CoQ10 (I can't remember how much to take). The acupuncture clinic I worked with when TTC DD and throughout my pregnancy suggested CoQ10 for everyone over 35. I think Krista had some other ideas as well.

 

 

Afm: I got my first beta back....14DPO = hcg is 251. That is more than double what my beta was last June...and I think I was further along when I had the blood test...maybe a day or 2? With DD it was 347 at 14DPO but I know that was fairly high. Back in on Friday for the more important test....wish me luck.

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wishing you much luck for you next beta, carmen! stick, stick, stick li'l bean!
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Carmen: Good luck!

 

Dandy: I had the same thing on my Clomid cycle. LOTS of white, sticky mucus almost every day after I ovulated until I got my period. That was a really weird cycle for me; I felt sure I had conceived, and then my period came pretty early, so I don't know if my results mean anything or not.

 

AFM: We're leaving for my appointment with the RE soon! I got the first appointment of the day so DW can get to work on time. She really wants to be there with me for the follicle scan. Right on cue, we had a mini-disaster yesterday. It's been raining here since Sunday, and yesterday we had a rainstorm come through and dump 3 inches of rain in two hours. The ground couldn't handle it and there was a lot of flash-flooding. One of our vehicles, which is always parked at the street, almost floated away. (Our trash can did float away, but we recovered it.) More seriously, water built up at the back of the house and seeped over the foundation into the master bedroom and closet. So we spent all last night dealing with that. 

 

I'm also trying not to stress about our swim team possibly not getting here today. Yesterday it was in Georgia, and an hour ago it was in South Carolina -which is in the opposite direction!

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invitn--Your RE sounds like an ass. (Ha, am I allowed to say that?? smile.gif) I recommend finding someone else, if possible. WIth that said, I had my FSH checked and it was high (14) and my AMH was borderline (.75). I am only 29 so I was SHOCKED with this information--I just didn't expect it. I was devastated (especially after reading things online) but my fertility specialist is positive that things are still VERY possible--she told me she has had patients with an FSH of 50 still get pregnant and carry to term. What I suggest right now is to not freak out (yes, easier said than done) and just wait for the results (and possibly a new RE wink1.gif). As Krista puts it: "Try not to be where you aren't." Getting your blood work done is an important part of this process to know what you are dealing with--but even with not-so-good numbers, hope is not lost!!!--it might just take a bit longer than expected. Good luck and breathe deeply!
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krista, I just saw a commercial for this weeks 20/20... it was a teaser, they didn't exactly say what the subject is but they referred to it as "the new sex". it didn't seem to paint a very nice picture. I can't wait to see the show, I sure hope it's not too negative!
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Carmen! F/X! Here is for a great beta on Friday!!! 251 sounds excellent! my beta day 14 with this one was 132 :)

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Carmen: congrats! Best of luck. Fingers crossed for you.

 

Wehrli: I'm getting a little nervous about this whole 20/20 piece but they have some teasers on their website and they really have some interesting stories. There is one straight single woman who met her donor online and they ended up developing a relationship. The producers keep promising me I'm really going to like the final outcome but I realize that in the teaser commercials, they're going to have to get salicious and a little dramatic in order to draw people in. I'm in PR so I know how it works. I just hope they make me look good! Ha, ha. Again, it's hard to know how much I'll be in the piece as they are profiling at least two other women in the story besides me.

 

Invited: please, don't go down the Rabbit Hole. First off, I agree with others who note your RE is wrong to be so bold as to draw conclusions without all info. I think doctors are predisposed to give NO HOPE in this area so that they aren't liable when you come back and you haven't gotten pregnant and then you blame them.

 

So...pushing your RE to the side and focusing on the potential for low ovarian reserve. There are women out there who get pregnant with low ovarian reserve or low egg quality. I have a good friend from my fertility group who just got pregnant that way. But before you go down that path, I would make sure you really understand if that is your issue. First off, the standard testing for low ovarian reserve is a combo of the FSH and LH results. However, this can sometimes mask low ovarian reserve. The better test is the AMH (Anti Mullerian Hormone) which you're getting so that's good. I would pushing for them to look at results on both and see what they tell them.

 

But even for those that have poor egg quality or low ovarian reserve, although there is no hard fast treatment to make your eggs better, there are ways to work around it. You still could be producing a good egg out of the bunch. That's why IVF is a good route to go because it will pull as many eggs as they can in one fell swoop with the hope that at least one is good.

 

Also get clear on the difference between low ovarian reserve and poor egg quality. Low ovarian reserve means you produce fewer eggs than normal during a cycle. This can mean that your chances are quite diminished (which is why this is also called diminished ovarian reserve) because you're producing fewer chances per cycle. The best way to get a grip on this prior to IVF is through a Clomid challenge and looking at your resting follicle count on CD3. This gives the docs a good idea of how many eggs they might be able to get to mature should they use stim meds on you.

 

Poor egg quality is the most difficult of all things to test for accurately. Honestly, there is no test for this -- yet, but many women will discover their egg quality through IVF because one of the ways to get a better idea is in the petri dish. Otherwise, they're just making a guess as to why you might not be getting pregnant. But they could be wrong. Some women just have hardened egg shells (happens as you age) and they just need assistance getting that sperm to break through the egg shell and fertilize.

 

Unfortunately, any of us could have both which makes it even more difficult but knowing what you have is most important.

 

Okay, hope I haven't confused you more. I'm kind of in a similar boat right now, wondering if it's egg quality. I'm getting pregnant but I can't stay pregnant so is that because each of the embryos has a genetic issue that is caused by egg quality? Frankly, I have a hard time believing it (every single egg I drop and that gets fertilized is crap? Does not seem possible to me) so I'm on the journey to find out why.

 

Take it one step at a time. Get your results, analyze and then push for more tests.

 

Krista

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PS You know my thoughts on frozen vs fresh. I'm not saying frozen doesn't work but I think it VERY unfair that doctors act as though there is no difference. In terms of quality, yes frozen is just as good as fresh, sometimes better since the standards from a sperm bank are much higher than you choosing a fresh donor. But what they still fail to mention time and time again is that frozen sperm lasts an incredibly short time (12-24 hours) in the uterus. I think REs are just so confident that they can hit your ovulation that they see it as no different but I don't agree with that. If it were true, why did I never get pregnant with frozen sperm and then I got pregnant three out of four times with fresh? I see it as a dart board, I have one dart to hit the bullseye and my opponent has 10. Who has the better chance of hitting the bullseye? I want all the darts I can get.

 

And the expense...don't even talk about it. I think that will be a large part of the focus on the 20/20 special as to why the women they are profiling in the piece have gone this route. They asked me to state on camera how much I had spent on frozen and how I never got pregnant.

 

Okay, thanks for letting me hang out on my soapbox. I haven't been on it for awhile. biggrinbounce.gif

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So, my appointment went fine this morning. It was early, but I expected that. I started off with 9 follicles this month and I still have about that many of differing sizes. The lead follicle right now is 14 mm; most of the rest are 9 or 10 mm. My lining looks really good. I have a shot at it this month! I was so afraid they were going to say "we may go ahead with the procedure, but the chances of it working are pretty low..." Based on my bloodwork, they don't expect me to ovulate before Monday or Tuesday. What they want me to do is take an OPK on Sunday morning and call to leave a message if I get a positive. If so, they'll schedule me for the IUI on Monday. Otherwise, I'm going back in Monday morning for another u/s and more bloodwork. They'll probably then do a trigger shot and schedule the IUI. Just a few more days to go!!

 

On another note, my prolactin went down 3 points, so I'm not stressing over that anymore. Our swimmers did make it in on time; the shipment was apparently rerouted to avoid the storms. The nurse said the shipping company bends over backwards to get specimens in on time because they're guaranteed and the shipping company has to pay for it if they're too late.

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Invitin: Wait for the test results. Don't stress until you know. The results may turn out to be fine and, as Krista said, you might be able to get pregnant even if they are bad. If you get bad results and the RE says you can't get pregnant, go see another doctor for a second opinion.

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Carmen!!! Congrats!!! joy.gifjoy.gifjoy.gifjoy.gifjoy.gifjoy.gifjoy.gifjoy.gifjoy.gif

 

 

Good luck to everyone still on the 2ww!!

 

DP and I feel sad we haven't been more involved in the forum the last few weeks... hoping everyone is doing well! Best of luck!! 

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oh PS: Can't wait to see you on 20/20 Krista! 

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Krista (and Lisedea for quoting her) -- thanks for the phrase, "Try not to be where you aren't!" I've written it on the whiteboard behind my computer screen on my desk here at home, and it's become quite a powerful mantra for me these days, not just in terms of the baby-making, but in a lot of different spaces in my life.  I just wanted to tell you that. hug.gif

 

Also, you might want to consider changing your online handle to "O Wise One" or something... winky.gif

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Invitin - Your RE sounds pretty callous. I hope you get good test results. Krista had lots of good stuff to say on this. Learn as much as you can about what the results mean, and then if you think your RE is being inappropriately obstructionist about your prospects, you may need a new RE, as much of a pain as that would be.

 

Carmen -- How's your beta today?

 

rs11 -- good luck this weekend!

 

And good luck to everyone in the 2WW!

 

AFM - 5-6 DPO and feeling totally normal. Zero symptoms. What does it mean?

I won't know until the end of the 2WW........whistling.gif

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