For the Herd's Sake, Vaccinate - Page 2

[Mama2ChicknLil]

Um...what about the obvious elephant in the room? I always follow the money. Insurane wont pay for circumsision? No medical reason to do it on a grand scale. Bedsharing is tantamount to putting baby to bed with a knife? Juvenile Furniture Association lobbyists. Pump your baby up with 20+vaccines in their first year of life DESPITE the fact that there is a governmental Vaccine Injury Fund that pays out the butt every year? Pharma lobbyists.

Nope. My baby is no one's guinea pig, and frankly, as long as I am EBF, or at the very least BF and not living in a third world country (anymore, I did for more than half of my life), he's going to remain unpoked. Honestly. Where are the vaccines for AIDS and cancers (please spare me the science here people, I'm a sleep deprived new mom and frankly don't really care)?

I may chose to selectively vax as he gets older, maybe HepB as a preteen or something...not sure yet. But as a NB? Cray cray.

Follow the money folks. It will tell you more than anything else. I mean, if herd immunity were a reality, wouldn't pertussis be good and dead by now?

Now, as a caviat, if I were exclusively formula feeding and/or baby spent time in a daycare my opinion might be different. But luckily for me neither of those things are true for my family,

[WildKingdom]

Originally Posted by Mama2ChicknLil 

Um...what about the obvious elephant in the room? I always follow the money. Insurane wont pay for circumsision? No medical reason to do it on a grand scale. Bedsharing is tantamount to putting baby to bed with a knife? Juvenile Furniture Association lobbyists. Pump your baby up with 20+vaccines in their first year of life DESPITE the fact that there is a governmental Vaccine Injury Fund that pays out the butt every year? Pharma lobbyists.

Nope. My baby is no one's guinea pig, and frankly, as long as I am EBF, or at the very least BF and not living in a third world country (anymore, I did for more than half of my life), he's going to remain unpoked. Honestly. Where are the vaccines for AIDS and cancers (please spare me the science here people, I'm a sleep deprived new mom and frankly don't really care)?

I may chose to selectively vax as he gets older, maybe HepB as a preteen or something...not sure yet. But as a NB? Cray cray.

Follow the money folks. It will tell you more than anything else. I mean, if herd immunity were a reality, wouldn't pertussis be good and dead by now?

Now, as a caviat, if I were exclusively formula feeding and/or baby spent time in a daycare my opinion might be different. But luckily for me neither of those things are true for my family,

Well, at least you're admitting you don't care about the science.

[Mama2ChicknLil]

Originally Posted by WildKingdom 

Well, at least you're admitting you don't care about the science.

Yup. Mainly because I know I'm not knowledgable in that arena to fully understand it. I do my research and find professionals I trust to help inform my opinions about things I don;t fully understand. It's how I know FOX news should be avoided and religion is a hoax :)

Happy New Year!

[Mama2ChicknLil]

And for the sake of all things obvious...if you are FOR vaccinating, but are hanging out in the I'm Not Vaccinating forum, you shouldn't be surprised that you aren't exactly convincing anyon ya know? Maybe the I'm Not Sur eAbout Vaccinating crowd is where you wanna be...

Juuuuust saying

[marinak1977]

Originally Posted by wolfybaby 

i agree with the general response here. if i truly believe vaccines are unsafe, its unethical for someone to expect me to use them. just like how its unethical for me to ask people who trust them to not use them [and why, apparently, no one will do a large scale comparison between vaccinated kids and unvaccinated kids- because its "unethical" to leave so many kids unvaccinated].

i feel bad for those people with immune problems. but its the hand they were dealt. THEY need to be more aware of their condition and change THEIR lifestyle. they cant expect everybody else to do it for them. the world didnt quit smoking because some kids have asthma.

Yeah, because it's not like we leave in a society, where neighbors help each other. You've got yours and that's what matters. Screw everyone else.

[Mama2ChicknLil]

If EVERYONE had the same access to information, and thus were on an even playing field, that would be one thing. But given what I know about the world (which is NOT particularly well represented here on Mothering.com), that is not even remotely the case. Therefore, if anyone is goin to ask anyone else to do anything for the whole communtiy, honest and truthful information should be provided...not just the "side effects are generally mild" crap the CDC keeps repeating. Of course, then there's the question of individual analytic abilities, which is tied to socioeconomic status and religious affiliation, and of course poverty and fear...

Yeah, not really as black and white as it just being "good" for the community.

It would be more impressive to me if all of the folks who vaccinte "for the good of the whole" also spent time and money giving back to the world in meaningful ways. That would strike me as far better for the whole than some oftentimes questionable chemicals being injected into my new baby.

Again, juuuust saying.

[Imakcerka]

Excuse me?  Why are you even in this forum?  It's about not vaccinating.  Most people here are not here to debate.  We're here to discuss our decision not to vaccinate.  And if you'd like to debate you can personally PM me and we can talk. 

[Mama2ChicknLil]

Forgive the sarcastic tone I have. Again, sleep deprived, and as I've mentioned before on Mothering, I'm a shameless you-know-what :)

[marinak1977]

Originally Posted by Imakcerka 

Excuse me?  Why are you even in this forum?  It's about not vaccinating.  Most people here are not here to debate.  We're here to discuss our decision not to vaccinate.  And if you'd like to debate you can personally PM me and we can talk. 

I am not debating anything. Just pointing out the rationale for not vaccinating for what it is. Stated multiple times in this thread - herd immunity only matters if you're high risk, and since you're not, who cares, because it's not your responsibility to take care of others.

[purslaine]

Originally Posted by marinak1977 


I am not debating anything. Just pointing out the rationale for not vaccinating for what it is. Stated multiple times in this thread - herd immunity only matters if you're high risk, and since you're not, who cares, because it's not your responsibility to take care of others.

So...should I put my children at risk (and I do believe there is a risk of an unknown amount from vaxxing) to protect others?

[Imakcerka]

Herd mentality is bunk.  Wait no... it's true.  All kids in a daycare room will come home with the same nasty virus at least once a month... Hows that for herd mentality.
 

Originally Posted by marinak1977 


I am not debating anything. Just pointing out the rationale for not vaccinating for what it is. Stated multiple times in this thread - herd immunity only matters if you're high risk, and since you're not, who cares, because it's not your responsibility to take care of others.

[WildKingdom]

Originally Posted by Imakcerka 

Herd mentality is bunk.  Wait no... it's true.  All kids in a daycare room will come home with the same nasty virus at least once a month... Hows that for herd mentality.
 

Herd immunity is not bunk.  As for herd mentality, also not bunk.  Alive and well, and in evidence right here on this forum.

[marinak1977]

Originally Posted by Imakcerka 



Herd mentality is bunk.  Wait no... it's true.  All kids in a daycare room will come home with the same nasty virus at least once a month... Hows that for herd mentality.

 

Or really? Have the kids in the daycare room come down with a case of measles or mumps lately? Or maybe small pox?

[Imakcerka]

My brother had measles and the chicken pox, holy crud he's still alive!   And we don't get immunized for small pox anymore unless you're military going overseas.  Small pox has been eradicated since 1977.  Seriously?

[nia82]

Hmm kids are not vaccinated for smallpox, not even I have, you'd have to be born a long time ago to get that one. OT, but traveler's diarrhea is more likely to be norovirus or other viral infections, at least in Europe we consider noro to be the top offender in that category and not ecoli. Just saying.

[WildKingdom]

Originally Posted by Imakcerka 

My brother had measles and the chicken pox, holy crud he's still alive!   And we don't get immunized for small pox anymore unless you're military going overseas.  Small pox has been eradicated since 1977.  Seriously?

Remind me again how that happened?

[WildKingdom]

Originally Posted by nia82 

Hmm kids are not vaccinated for smallpox, not even I have, you'd have to be born a long time ago to get that one. OT, but traveler's diarrhea is more likely to be norovirus or other viral infections, at least in Europe we consider noro to be the top offender in that category and not ecoli. Just saying.

In Mexico it's E. coli.

[Imakcerka]

Dh got sick from "travelers" virus in Bosnia.  And a low grade fever for a month.  Fun for him!

[Imakcerka]

Well it would be a very good idea for you to explain to me how flawless herd immunity is...

If you can't find the answer... I'll help you when I get home as I'm off work now so I'm outty!

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Originally Posted by WildKingdom 

Herd immunity is not bunk.  As for herd mentality, also not bunk.  Alive and well, and in evidence right here on this forum.

[purslaine]

Originally Posted by WildKingdom 

Herd immunity is not bunk.  As for herd mentality, also not bunk.  Alive and well, and in evidence right here on this forum.

Play nice.

I see no more herd mentality in the non vax community than in the pro vax.