For the Herd's Sake, Vaccinate - Page 5

[Mama2ChicknLil]

Originally Posted by BeckyBird 

So annoying! Can we have our thread back please? We would like to talk about how much we disagree with herd immunity. It is a theory, not a proven law. We need to have a "safe zone" to talk amongst ourselves. Can you understand this? You must be aware that the world is against us who don't vaccinate, so we kind of need this place to vent with each other. Seriously. You've got the WHOLE WORLD backing you, and we can't even have this tiny little forum.

I don't lurk on the PETA forum, and then write posts about hunting. If a forum has specific guidelines, why don't you try to follow them? We can argue all day long in another place.

Hear hear. By they by, can non-vaxers really be accused of herd mentality? Should vaxers (the VAST majority) who don't generally bother to think aboutt his issue past "Dr. and CDC said so..." be a bit more careful about who they accuse of blindly following?

Erg. Seriously...this is the I'm Not Vaccinating forum, what gives? No one here is going to be convinced ladies...you are wasting your time and energy.

[Imakcerka]

People don't realize they have choices in life.  They like being told what to do because it's easier.  Someone told them they had to get vaccinations and told them they had to circ.  If you're ok going through life doing something because you were told too...  So be it.  I won't be that person.  

[member234098]

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[Imakcerka]

GB is scary!  My mother had it in the 80's when it was still considered an orphan disease.  I remember the priest came in to give her her last rites.  And the Christmas tree we were allowed to bring in.  And I remember that she couldn't talk to me.  My parents had just divorced the year prior and I swear to god that was the lonliest I had ever felt.  I lived with my moms best friend that year.  When she finally got better it took her forever to be able to walk again.  Very scary.  Periodically she gets flare ups but she sees a pretty good doctor.

[Bokonon]

That is so scary and sad.

In 1998, my company was giving out flu shots so I decided to get one, not having any clue about the potential side effects.  A co-worker told me that he would not be getting one because he had gotten GB from a flu shot once.  He didn't say GB, but told me that he had lower limb paralysis for about a month after getting the shot.  I thought he was messing with me, because I had never heard of that before and couldn't believe that someone his age (late 20s) and good health would have such a strange reaction.

Now it feels like I know many people, or people who know people who have had it.

But, you know, since they are doing a public service, upholding "herd immunity" and all, the public treats them like heroes, right?  Oh wait, no.  Most people, even doctors, say that the complications could not possibly be from the shot, and to just get it anyway.  Line up for your shot, take it like a good citizen, and be prepared to deal with any reactions yourself because it's not anyone else's problem, right?

[nia82]

Or it is a preexisting condition or all in your mind (aka you are a psycho). The one only thing I must say about those East German doctors, they at least did recognize a vaccine reaction (I didn't know this until 2 years ago, my mom's little brother died at age 4 after a DTP, and the doctors said he indeed died of a shot reaction. THey then didn't start us (and this was a mandatory vaccination country) on vaccines until 6 months, only one at a time, never multiple ones. I remember being 5 and being due for OPV, and my parents were extremely scared. Everybody knew you could get polio from OPV and my parents, grandparents watched me like a hawk for a couple of weeks, I especially remember my very Catholic grandma fervently praying (I understand now, since she lost her baby to vaccines). Stuff like this makes me very allergic to people who want to take my vaccine choices away from me. Do we want to live in a country that give its people no medical freedom? I call that a dictatorship. My body, my choices; our children, our choices.

[Devaskyla]

This is a great article about the myth of herd immunity from Dr. Blaylock (you have to scroll down a couple paragraphs to get to the actual article.

http://secretsofnaturalhealing.blogspot.com/2009/12/forced-vaccinations-and-myth-behind.html

[littlec]

I know this thread has gotten off topic, but I have a question for those who vaccinate for the herd...if YOUR child suffered a lifelong or deadly vaccine reaction, would you still vaccinate subsequent children for the benefit of the "herd"? I find that a lot of people who vaccinate will sometimes acknowledge that there are risks, but "the benefits outweigh the risks" and "the adverse reactions are RARE". It seems like they just believe it can't/won't happen to their child. But what if it did? What if your precious baby were either never the same or they died directly from a vaccine. How would you feel about the "herd" then? I honestly want to know. Would you chalk that up to your child just taking one for the team?

[mattemma04]

I would not vaccinate my child for herd sake. I would not risk a vaccine injury for the sake of someone elses child.When injury or death occurs people just walk away and leave you to deal with it.

[Taximom5]

The criteria for diagnosing polio was redefined after the polio vaccine began to be used.

If a patient presented with paralytic polio symptoms, but had been vaccinated for polio, it was said that they COULDN'T have polio--because they had been vaccinated.  Instead, they were diagnosed with "acute flaccid paralysis syndrome."

Which,until then, had been a red flag for polio.  Doctors either tested for the polio virus, or, more often, simply assumed that it was polio, and reported it as such.

There are a number of "acute flaccid paralysis syndromes" that have sprung up over the last couple of decades.  Guillaine-Barre syndrome, Lyme disease, CMV, acute transverse myelitis, etc.  There are also cases of seizure disorder that are known to have been caused be caused by vaccines.

See  http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2010/06/02/polio-and-acute-flaccid-paralysis/

[Turquesa]

Originally Posted by mattemma04 

I would not vaccinate my child for herd sake. I would not risk a vaccine injury for the sake of someone elses child.When injury or death occurs people just walk away and leave you to deal with it.

That's just it. It boils down to competing sets of ethics. I, as a parent, will decide what types of risks I am willing or not willing to accept for my children. And I, as a parent, will decide if I'm willing to assume any risks--no matter how large or small--for "the greater good." (FWIW, I've personally chosen an alternative schedule). But I will NOT allow any doctor or papa bear paternalists sitting in Congress or the state health department to impose their utilitarian ethics on my family.

[momof3loverof1]

I am sorry, and maybe this is selfish, I will never again worry about "the herd". After my son had a severe life altering reaction, all I take the time to worry about is my family and friends.What others chose to do is their business and issue. I will not allow anyone else to tell me what I am and am not to do with my children. 

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by momof3loverof1 

I am sorry, and maybe this is selfish, I will never again worry about "the herd". After my son had a severe life altering reaction, all I take the time to worry about is my family and friends.What others chose to do is their business and issue. I will not allow anyone else to tell me what I am and am not to do with my children. 

I don't think the word selfish is even applicable.  The herd doesn't care about your child and certainly won't care for it in the case of an adverse reaction.  And since when is the individual so irrelevant?  This is not a communist society.

 to you and your son.

[momof3loverof1]

Originally Posted by littlec 

I know this thread has gotten off topic, but I have a question for those who vaccinate for the herd...if YOUR child suffered a lifelong or deadly vaccine reaction, would you still vaccinate subsequent children for the benefit of the "herd"? I find that a lot of people who vaccinate will sometimes acknowledge that there are risks, but "the benefits outweigh the risks" and "the adverse reactions are RARE". It seems like they just believe it can't/won't happen to their child. But what if it did? What if your precious baby were either never the same or they died directly from a vaccine. How would you feel about the "herd" then? I honestly want to know. Would you chalk that up to your child just taking one for the team?

Any person in their right mind who care about their own children would say No! But there are soo many that sincerely be live that vaccines DO NOT cause side affects and death! They are not getting or ignoring that "those rare occasions of reaction" are happening more and more. I personally know a family like this, and they have tried everything under the sun modern meds have to offer to no avail. They are devastated,but STILL refuse to try more natural things and refuse to listen to things I suggest. She is very angry that her child is "taking one for the team", but ultimately it was and is her decision.