Crunchy Christian Mamas in 2012 - Page 15

[lilyka]

I see what you are saying about three days.. But if I travel to see my boyfriend and am there Friday night through Sunday afternoon I say I was there three days even though it was little more than 48 hours and I only saw a day and a half of sunlight.  

Also you have to remember the way the church traditionally commemorates thing is not necessarily in the strictest since of time.  Protestants  forget that the fasts and feasts of the church are part of a cycle of commemoration that all flow together in an orderly fashion ebbing and flowing one intertwining with the other (and it seems several cycles are going at once).   Protestants have forgotten most of the feasts and fasts except for Pascha (Easter in the west) and the Feast of the Nativity of Christ (Christmas)  Which people even now question more and more blaming early Chrstians for stealing from pagans rather than acknowledge they are linked to a church that from the beginning has been liturgical in every way.   Ever wonder why we do the silly things we do at Christmas?  Santa Clause is because the feast of St Nicholas is on Dec 6 (the date of his repose).  Stockings/shoes, coming down the chimneys , oranges, chocolate coins, children, acts of charity, baking- all part of the feast of St Nicholas.  Candles and wreaths are for the Feast of St Lucia which is the week before Christmas I think.  I don't know that there are a great many "fun" traditions that are actually tied to Christmas except a large meal to break the fast.  but they all came around the same time and people kept the fun and forgot the very holy days that go along with assuming they all belong to the one feast they have kept.   Keeping these cycles of fasting and feasting  sometimes mean we commemorate things in a slightly different time frame than they happened.  

As for Holy Week specifically, we celebrate the entrance on a Sunday.  His parting instructions and kingship on Monday and Tuesday,Christ's betrayal on Wednesday (which is why we fast every Wednesday), Thursday the hanging, Friday the taking down and burial (day one), Saturday the harrowing of Hell (day two) and Sunday the day He arose (day three).  So not 72 hours, especially the way we celebrate it (we do the resurrection service at 12:00 AM  hehe it is too exciting to wait!) but three separate days int he tomb.  The women went to the tomb early in the morning on the third day.  The scripture never says 72 hours.  The scripture says (hmmm, i have never thought this through before....I am so glad you brought it up) he was taken down before sunset on Friday (my guess would be awhile before sunset , time to prepare some and bury the body.) to avoid the Sabbath.  and that the myrrbearing women arrived very early the third day (Since they were finishing funeral prep that had not been done, my guess would be as early as possible to have light to see by and avoid breaking Sabbath laws. So maybe 36 hours....

[Nazsmum]

lilyka- I wish that we could sit down and talk. I don't have the time to write this all out. BUT I want to say this...

Hebrew day- Sunset to sunset. Sabbath starts FRI @ sunset  ends SAT at sunset. (tonight 8:10pm)

10th NISAN is the day that people chose a lamb to bring into the house.(Ex 12:5) So Jesus is the lamb of God coming home to Jerusalem.

14th Nisan is the seder

15th would be a special sabbath....so that could be the day the Bible is speaking of.

Anyway does not matter....I would like to know more about the way you see it.

OH you have a boyfriend  I hope that he is a great guy.

[Nazsmum]

SSSOOO today I gave a letter to the Elders of the church. It basical said "Please have an Adult Sunday School class on the New Coventant" I will see if anything comes of it.

[lilyka]

Were you very specific about what you were looking for?  New covenant is kinda broad.  Some people will interpret that to anything relating to the new testament.   Which could bring you right back to the things in the last study minus creation.  Remember, not everyone has the same interpretation to things as you do.   Especially at this church.  I think it is also important to define the purpose of the sunday school gathering.  Do you want to learn biblical application to life today or do you want to just bask in scripture or perhaps learn about the history of the church or how to reach others with the gospel?  There are a lot of reasons to gather and a lot of things to learn.  Weather we are focused entirely on the scripture for the sake of learning them,  learning how to live out the faith in the scriptures or learning how to worship the God of the scriptures.  All important.  I have never been to a Bible study or church class where the objective was not well defined.  Even with my children's Church school class i a well defined three year plan (our classes are in three year blocks.  My plan involves: 1) sacraments/prayer/iconography/incorporating faith into home life 2) understanding liturgy 3) a year of saints, fasts and feasts.  My kids are 1st-3rd grade.  We do not focus a lot on scripture other a quick recap of the gospel reading to make sure they understood it.  But our kids stay in for church from birth and we read a lot of scripture during our services from the old testament, psalms, epistles and gospels at every single service.)

Perhaps you could offer to lead something?  The people at this church are going to teach what they know and use materials easily available to them.  If you want to introduce a new way of interpreting the scriptures or a new way of thinking, or a specific topic perhaps leading a a home group or something where you can all gather and study together.  I know at  my church when I say "Can we please have...."  That is the same as volunteering to at least organize it....which reminds me, i need to organize some youth group stuff this month. ;-)  If your church is open to it, why not take the lead on this?  This church has already proven it thinks in a completely different way than you.  Even if they could muster up some good intentions and effort, it very well may unintentionally miss the mark entirely.  Better if they could just give you the lead on this.  By having it away from the church, and by being in control of the tone of the class/study you may be more free to discuss things openly and more open to differing opinions.  It could really be good for everyone.  Disagreeing with someone is not nearly as bad if no one is being shut down for having a different interpretation or opinion.

[Nazsmum]

I would love to teach...this church would not let me teach.

The pastor KNOWS what I'm talking about. I know that because he was in sunday school this week because of me. The "teacher" had a problem with me AGAIN. I'm starting to like being a bad sheep. hehehe

[lilyka]

Why don't you just start your own  Bile study outside of the church then?  You might actually get  more out of it than trying to reach out to people inside that church.  Is there another church, more suited to you, that has an open midweek Bible study?   you really need to find a spiritual home elsewhere even if this is the place you are stuck going to church.

[Nazsmum]

Hard to do much with a 3 month old baby. But yes I do need to do or find something. I have prayed for a long time to teach a bible study so maybe the Lord has something coming up for me.

I am doing the Lords supper. That is something.

[Nazsmum]

Please pray for Lana- Water broke and is only 34 weeks. Just found out

Lilyka- Did you go to TX? Did you get in touch with Purplesage??? That would be cool. I would like to know how she is??? When do the girls go back to school? How is the grant coming?

I'm homeschooling and I'm just finishing up. We took a long break after the baby. At least for me. I don't know maybe I will just keep going.....#1 and I love to learn so for him it's not like doing "school" and I'm more of an unschooler anyway. We mostly do work as we go along and we read alot!!!

WOW it is nice having a mintue to my self.

Hope everyone is well. Enjoy.

[Nazsmum]

My husband was in a BAD car crash.Please pray.

[lilyka]

OH NO!!!!  I will be praying.  (((hugs)))

[John16n33]

Nazsmum- I am praying everything is okay!

[DeeGee 1873]

Hi! I am new brand new to MDC and would like to join this group. Is there anything y'all would like to know, introduction-wise?

[John16n33]

Welcome DeeGee 1873!  I'm Meagan, Army wife and mama to a four year old little girl.  The ladies here are great so feel free to jump right in.

AFM-  Can I please ask for prayers for housing on base to come available for us soon?  We have been told that there was a 3-6 month waiting list for on base housing but they will only pay for our hotel for 60 days.  The thing is that all of the off base housing we have found within our price range that is at all decent is over 45 minutes away from base and that just isn't reasonable for us now.  We have been told that their is new housing that is supposed to be coming open next month so hopefully we will get a house there.  In the meantime I am calling the housing office everyday and nicely bugging them about our spot on the waiting list and if anything has come open.

[Nazsmum]

Thanks for the prayer! We lost the car. Husband OK. This is not good for us $$$ wise. It is in the Lords hands.

DeeGee 1873- Welcome.

John16- I will pray.

[John16n33]

Nazsmum-  Praise the Lord he is okay! I will be praying that the money situation works itself out for y'all.

[Nazsmum]

Let all pray for the people in Colo.

[John16n33]

^^^

Yes, we should.  It's a sad and senseless tragedy, Colorado has definitely dealt with more than their fair share that's for sure.

[MrsKoehn]

Wow, a lot of prayer requests! Will sure try to remember all of these.

Sorry I've been away, it's been crazy busy with the internet down part of the time.

Updates on the prayer requests?

[Nazsmum]

Car- we may buy my parents car. Nothing fancy just wheels. That would be great.....praying my father is willing to let us pay him over time. (If he is will at all)

Lana- Had the baby. He is in the NICU. Doing well.

OK QUESTION- Do/will you teach your children about other religions? If so how?

[John16n33]

My daughter will have somewhat of a knowledge of other religions, my mother is a Mormon and my grandfather is a scholar of a lot of different eastern religions including Taoism, Confucianism, and Buddhism.  I have told them each that they are allowed to talk to Addi about their religions as long as they don't bad mouth mine in the process.  I personally believe that by learning about other religions it can help you draw closer and see the truth in your own.  I also think it is healthy to question what you have been taught in order to find the truth in it, instead of accepting everything blindly.