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post #41 of 72

Kat, I'm looking at your charts, and all the ones I see look to be in the 9-10 day range for LP's.  I definitely don't see a 6 day LP.  I think your temp rise began on CD 18 last cycle, so I'd guess you O'ed on CD 17-18ish.  That's on the short end of viable, but coupled with the weak temp rises and the spotting in your LP, it looks like you might have lower progesterone than you'd like.  If you're not trying to have a baby right now, I don't see any reason to supplement with progesterone or go through medical testing or anything like that, but you might try some more natural ways to boost your progesterone such as taking Vitamin B6 (in a B-complex), Chasteberry extract, etc.  There's a lot more information in Marilyn Shannon's "Fertility Cycles and Nutrition."

post #42 of 72

Oops ,yeah, that should say 7-10 days (I think this past LP was only 7 days). Thank you for your advice!

post #43 of 72

So I noticed recently that I don't get migraines anymore, or even headaches. I used to be a daily headache kind of person, with intermittent migraines that I needed prescription migraine meds for.  I was always taking motrin or tylenol for a headache.  Notably, I didn't get headaches while I was pregnant. I had maybe 1 mild one which cleared up with tylenol.

 

In the few months now that I've been completely off hormonal birth control, my headaches have gone away. I finally realize that the synthetic hormones were the problem, I don't know why it never occurred to me before.

 

This cycle, I also started a good prenatal vitamin recommended in Marilyn Shannon's book "Lifetime Professional Prenatal Formula" which has 100mg of B6 in addition to generous amounts of other vitamins, and I feel so good. My temp rise was much stronger this month and I'm interested to see what my LP does. 

 

I just felt like saying how awesome I think charting one's fertility is, and how I wish I had known about it long ago.  I really feel good and it's so cool to know exactly where I'm at in my cycle all the time. It gives me a much greater appreciation for my body. 

 

I'm sure there are many other women who feel the same way :)

 

post #44 of 72

That's great, infojunkie! Can I ask what brand of prenatal you started? I need to find out if my library has that book--it sounds really useful! 

post #45 of 72

Kat~ My LP's have been short too, ranging on the 8-10 day range. We are not planning on TTC until summer either. Hopefully the natural suggestions JMJ recommended will work. I plan on trying them myself. :)

 

Infojunkie~ So glad your headaches have gone away. I use the FAM method because hormonal bc messed me up for years.

 

Thank you for the prayers and support. My Pdoc has increased my medication. A couple weeks and I will know if it is going to work or not. So far I seem to be feeling a little better. Hopefully it continues.

 

So I am on CD2. I had another 9 day LP this cycle with weird CM. I have horrible cramps and a super heavy flow. Could my body still be cleaning itself out? Also I am considered AMA, so can that affect my LP? I know I have some time before we start TTC again, but I am a worry wart.

 

post #46 of 72

What does AMA stand for?

post #47 of 72

kat216 - The prenatal is called "Lifetime Professional Prenatal Formula". I got it at iHerb.com.  The book is Marilyn Shannon's "Fertility, Cycles, and Nutrition". It is fantastic!
 

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That's great, infojunkie! Can I ask what brand of prenatal you started? I need to find out if my library has that book--it sounds really useful! 



 

post #48 of 72

Here's hoping for both of us, buterflymomma! It's only my 4th cycle off the ring, so maybe my cycles haven't fully recovered yet? That might be where you're at too, buteflymomma.

 

I'm prob. getting all worked up over nothing, but having to deal with infertility is one of my biggest fears. :( But, how great is it that, with FAM, I can identify and treat potential problems before we even TTC? :)

 

Thanks for the info, infojunkie! I just reserved that book. :)

 

 

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Kat~ My LP's have been short too, ranging on the 8-10 day range. We are not planning on TTC until summer either. Hopefully the natural suggestions JMJ recommended will work. I plan on trying them myself. :)

 

Infojunkie~ So glad your headaches have gone away. I use the FAM method because hormonal bc messed me up for years.

 

Thank you for the prayers and support. My Pdoc has increased my medication. A couple weeks and I will know if it is going to work or not. So far I seem to be feeling a little better. Hopefully it continues.

 

So I am on CD2. I had another 9 day LP this cycle with weird CM. I have horrible cramps and a super heavy flow. Could my body still be cleaning itself out? Also I am considered AMA, so can that affect my LP? I know I have some time before we start TTC again, but I am a worry wart.

 



 

 

post #49 of 72

JMJ~ AMA = Advanced Maternal Age. They write it  on all my charts when I am preggo..lol. Apparently 35 was the magic number when the doom of my fertility began. (According the dr's that is..lol)

post #50 of 72

LOL, Butterflymomma, your fertility has been declining ever since you were 20, and nothing magic happens at age 35.  From an NFP perspective, you should have nice, healthy looking cycles until the last year or two (-ish) before your last period, so unless you're closer to being over 45, I'm thinking that's not (likely) it.  I couldn't say for sure what the cause is, perhaps your body still recovering from the roller coaster ride it's been on in the past year or perhaps something nutritional or something completely different, but many women find improvements in cycle irregularities with improved nutrition.  It can't hurt, and it gives your body the support it needs to repair itself.

post #51 of 72

infojunkie,

I really like the Lifetime Prenatal also!  I've been taking it for over 10yrs. and every time I tried to switch I quickly came back to it.  So nice that you don't have headaches anymore!  I actually am starting to notice that when I get headaches they are around the same time every month; a couple days before the cm starts up before ovulation and then a couple days before af.  Maybe it is hormonal transition related??  I don't know but it is interesting.  I'm still new at charting but I'm with you on how awesome it is.  It is kind of funny how before I just used to ignore what was going on with my body and now it seems so obvious.

post #52 of 72

Very interesting information on migraines and hormonal contraception- i have a close family member with horrible migraines, but even pregnancy doesn't help them.  i always want to find a way to help her with them!

 

Asking for prayer for us as we enter the 1 month abstinence phase of the Creighton Model.  I managed to finagle the week after my period to be a free week for us (as it's the only time other than PO when I know i'm safe), but at this point need to buckle down and do this right.  the options our instructors gave us were one month or one cycle.  last cycle being 63 days, i opted for the month.  but my husband is not really doing well with the suggesting reading and attitude adjustment.  this morning he said something about how i was the one responsible for saying no, and he obviously is not grasping how this is a joint effort.  erg.  I know it's going to be good for us, and when we're finally TTC in August or so, will enjoy the entire freedom a lot more.

 

meanwhile, it seems like i'll be in good company if we TTC this summer.  

 

out of curiosity, if i were to chart a few months and see my primary care about my extremely long cycles, what are some of the options they might offer?  i was put on progesterone at 15, and then the pill to try to control my cycles for years, and off the pill had no cycles for years, and nothing was done to address whatever this underlying problem is.  I want to go in and have it all reviewed to make sure there is nothing that can be done for this (PCOS was never brought up, and i don't have the classic signs except for long cycles) but also would like to know what i'm getting into....

 

Blessings to all!

post #53 of 72

I'll keep you both in my prayers, Cassiani.  That initial abstinence can be rough.  I'm really not sure what a NaPro physician would say about long cycles.  That's really something that they get specialized training for.  There may be other clues in your charts to give them a bigger picture to get to the root of a problem, but there can be a lot of causes of cycle irregularities.

post #54 of 72

Well I'm 10 DPO today and I thought for sure AF was coming yesterday, but my temp is back up today. Weirdly, my cervix went completely posterior yesterday (never done that before since I've been checking) and really high, but still firm and closed. It is back low firm closed today.  So it looks like my second PP cycle is going well, and presumably the b6 and good vitamins are helping my LP?  My first PP LP was 8 days. Does 2 days sound like a lot for LP lengthening just 1 cycle later?

post #55 of 72

mine lengthened 2 days the next cycle after taking the b complex every day for a whole cycle. the next cycle after that was the one where i o'ed early and got pregnant. be prepared for that. the early o'ing i mean. although i think that had more to do with the evening primrose oil i was taking.

post #56 of 72

Postpartum cycles can be fickle like that.  One woman will have one inadequate LP after another even with taking supplements.  Another will have her cycles snap back into place for no reason she can tell.  Postpartum, I had 4 8-day LP's, and on my 5th cycle, it jumped to 11 days.  The 6th cycle, I got pregnant, but not until 5 weeks into my cycle, a later O day than in any other cycle in recent years.

post #57 of 72

For postpartum my 1st lp was 10days and the second jumped to 14days.  I never kept track before even in my prebaby days so I don't know what my usual length is.

What about the cm pattern?  Is that usually about the same every mo or does it vary?  The first time I ovulated pp I had weeks of very fertile cm, the second time I had 2 days of sticky, 1 day with sticky and creamy and 4 days of ew.  (both of those times were huge amounts)  This time is 3 sticky, 1 creamy, 1 ew, yesterday a small amount of sticky and now this morning my temp was up.  That seems like ovulation happened to me; it is right around the time it should be.  I'm just surprised at how much less cm I had this month especially of ew.  Even the one day of ew was kind of on the thick globby side but it did stretch a good 5".  So sorry if this is tmi!  I'm breastfeeding much less this mo and I also wasn't very faithful in taking my good vitamin.  What do you think?

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3a0ef0

 

 

post #58 of 72

That's looking promising, blessedwith7, but it will take a few more days to confirm ovulation.  It's normal to have CM be a little different in different cycles, but this is especially true postpartum.  I read something in a CCL magazine recently that claimed that it's normal to have about 2 months of CM before your first ovulation postpartum because of the hormonal threshhold that has to be reached to actually get that first ovulation.  After that, though, it's common to see pretty major changes in CM from one cycle to the next as you return to fertility.

post #59 of 72
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So I noticed recently that I don't get migraines anymore, or even headaches. I used to be a daily headache kind of person, with intermittent migraines that I needed prescription migraine meds for.  I was always taking motrin or tylenol for a headache.  Notably, I didn't get headaches while I was pregnant. I had maybe 1 mild one which cleared up with tylenol.

 

In the few months now that I've been completely off hormonal birth control, my headaches have gone away. I finally realize that the synthetic hormones were the problem, I don't know why it never occurred to me before.

EVERY SINGLE BIRTH CONTROL I've EVER been has given me debilitating migraines on a daily basis. I'm SO GLAD to see that I'm not alone.

 

I'm EBF though so I don't know how accurate charting would be if I were to stop the BC. It scares the patooty out of me.

post #60 of 72
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EVERY SINGLE BIRTH CONTROL I've EVER been has given me debilitating migraines on a daily basis. 

 



 

it did it to me too. and it got worse over the years. i was on it for almost 20 years total. but i didnt realize that was what was causing it until i quit taking it and my headaches let up. just never crossed my mind that it was connected. doctors never said anything even when i was complaining of daily migraines. 

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