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[emmy526]

Originally Posted by twinpossible 

People (includng DH) argue that the girls will be disallowed from playgroups like YMCA sports and school if not vaxed. Has anyone ran into these issues? I already ran into a situation where I was *considering* for a very short time some hourly care at a center. They would not allow the girls unless they were vaxed, they also disallowed CD and breast milk so I laughed in their faces and hired a nanny to come to our home. Just wondering if that was only the beginning?

YMCA means Young Men's Christian Association...if you have a religious exemption with your child in school, the YMCA cannot exclude your child from any activity.  School exemptions should work for sports too...i never had an issue with my son and football. 

[alegna]

Quote:

Originally Posted by twinpossible 

People (includng DH) argue that the girls will be disallowed from playgroups like YMCA sports and school if not vaxed. Has anyone ran into these issues? I already ran into a situation where I was *considering* for a very short time some hourly care at a center. They would not allow the girls unless they were vaxed, they also disallowed CD and breast milk so I laughed in their faces and hired a nanny to come to our home. Just wondering if that was only the beginning?

We have never had a single issue.  We homeschool and participate in a large number of activities and it has never been an issue at all.

[twinpossible]

Originally Posted by lovebeingamomma 

My first two got their shots until 18 months (space out in 2 years).  It never felt right.  I had no idea what they were being given, I don't know why I thought I should space them out, mommy instincts just told me this isn't good for them.  Then I had the revelation that I had a choice.  I read 3 books, some biased towards vaccines some against.  I googled all recent history of outbreaks and statistics of VPD's in the US, I read manufactorer's inserts & the CDC, side effects, vaccine trial outcomes etc.  I talked to my husband.  I talk to MDC mom's on this board.  Then both my husband and I decided the benefits did not outweigh the risks.  We will consider select vaccines if their are outbreaks in our area, but I doubt I will do it even then.  And I'm a breastfeeding SAHM, that's a big factor for me. 

I just saw your question about preservatives and ingredients- Dr. Sears book "The Vaccine Book" is the best place to find that information, and I think there's an updated book that just came out...because vaccines are always changing, they recall some vaccines because of safety, add new ones etc.  

My friend who chose not to vax just told me about the Dr. Sears book today on our mommy / play date. I am getting it tomorrow from the library!

[twinpossible]

Originally Posted by alegna 

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We have never had a single issue.  We homeschool and participate in a large number of activities and it has never been an issue at all.

Good to hear! We are planning on a homeschool co-op and I didn't want the girls to be excluded from activities.

[Lookingup]

Originally Posted by twinpossible 

People (includng DH) argue that the girls will be disallowed from playgroups like YMCA sports and school if not vaxed. Has anyone ran into these issues? I already ran into a situation where I was *considering* for a very short time some hourly care at a center. They would not allow the girls unless they were vaxed, they also disallowed CD and breast milk so I laughed in their faces and hired a nanny to come to our home. Just wondering if that was only the beginning?

Wow.  If they're not even allowing breast milk, I'd stay away from that one anyway.  :)

We had mild problems getting my first son into pre-school.  (We're in NY, where it can be tough.)  Hired a consultant to help with a second exemption letter, and they accepted that version.  Public school didn't even blink at the exemption.  Both my children are in town sports -- they never even asked for a vax record.

The town did ask for health records for a week of camp.  I sent in my letter and they were totally fine with it too.  Good luck.  I think staying confident and knowing your stuff helps a LOT.  DS's school is sort of afraid to mess with me, lol.  That's ok though. 

[momof3loverof1]

Because you NEVER know if it will be your child. I vaccinated until my now 11 month old son had a severe reaction to the MMR. And I mean severe. His fever went from normal to 105.7 in 45 minutes, several seizures on the way to the ER and two more once we got there. He even stopped breathing once.No matter what I said, they NEVER gave a second thought to the fact that the shots would do this to my son. i had to take him to a specialist and now he has nerve damage in the leg where he got his shots. Read the inserts, and seriously consider the side affects. Read the ingredients as well, you will be shocked at what they are!!. At the very least, be informed for your kids sake!

[Midwesterner04]

Originally Posted by momof3loverof1 

Because you NEVER know if it will be your child. I vaccinated until my now 11 month old son had a severe reaction to the MMR. And I mean severe. His fever went from normal to 105.7 in 45 minutes, several seizures on the way to the ER and two more once we got there. He even stopped breathing once.No matter what I said, they NEVER gave a second thought to the fact that the shots would do this to my son. i had to take him to a specialist and now he has nerve damage in the leg where he got his shots. Read the inserts, and seriously consider the side affects. Read the ingredients as well, you will be shocked at what they are!!. At the very least, be informed for your kids sake!

[purslaine]

Originally Posted by canadianhippie 

Keep researching! It took me months and months to go through information, reading CDC stats, documentaries and pro-vax books actually, giving what the illness is, how the vaccines are harvested and what treatments are if your child was to become infected 

This.  You can always vax later, you cannot undo a vaccine.  

If you do decide to vaccinate, please look up the best protocol on how and when to do it.  When to vax?  How many per day?  How far between shots?  When to begin?  Should you give tylenol?  (not, I think!)  Do not vaccinate if ill at all - why risk it?  If anything happens, you will beat yourself up and play what-if games....

Someone on a completely separate forum said she looked up vaccine protocol in different developed nations to see where the overlap was, and where the differences were ( and why).

[purslaine]

Originally Posted by alegna 

 I looked at each vaccine and each disease and compared things like chance of reaction, type of reaction, disease symptoms, disease risks, chance of actually contracting the diseases, etc.

At the end of that there were no current vaccines that I felt the benefits outweighed the risks for my kids at this point in time.

[Jennyanydots]

Originally Posted by alegna 

I originally planned to selectively vax on a delayed schedule.  I looked at each vaccine and each disease and compared things like chance of reaction, type of reaction, disease symptoms, disease risks, chance of actually contracting the diseases, etc.

At the end of that there were no current vaccines that I felt the benefits outweighed the risks for my kids at this point in time.

this, exactly!

[cristeen]

OP - you're in CA.  We have exemptions here, school is not an issue.  And even childcare shouldn't be too much of an issue - I know there are some that will kick up a fuss, but they cannot require it.  It becomes a matter though of whether it's worth it to you to fight it or if you'd rather walk away.  Sports are the same. 

Medical information is protected by HIPPA, and vax status is medical information.  Vax exemptions are required by the school system, but IMO no one else (specifically speaking to sports and other extra curricular activities here) is entitled to that medical information, and I have no problem telling them so.  If there were some pertinent medical information that they needed to know (asthma, heart murmur, anaphalactic allergies, etc.), I would disclose it.  Vax doesn't fall into that category for me. 

[momof3loverof1]

Another thing, here, in Ohio where I live, if the daycare receives ANY state funds at all, they are required BY LAW to accept non vaxxed kids as long as they have the form.  This includes everything from government assisted lunch programs on up. You personally do NOT have to receive the services, just the daycare center.

[MTwolfgirl]

I have done selective vaccinations. If you are going to do any or all vax, make sure that you do not do more than one or two at a time. (Another issue with MMR.)  A child's body cannot handle more than 2 at the same time. 

Good luck!

[twinpossible]

All good info, thanks! What about going out of the country? We normally do a lot of traveling but the twins are too small now.

[Taximom5]

I honestly don't think going out of the country makes any difference these days.

There are thousands of people who travel to every airport from every country in the world, bringing plenty of germs with them. They are not required to be given vaccines in order to travel.

Besides, anyone who is given a live-virus vaccine (such as FluMist, or the MMR) sheds live virus cells for up to 3 weeks, meaning they may be contagious for those diseases during that time period.  That's why they tell you to keep the child away from anyone with a compromised immune system, like people on chemo, or taking steroids.

[cristeen]

Originally Posted by twinpossible 

All good info, thanks! What about going out of the country? We normally do a lot of traveling but the twins are too small now.

I would research the country you're planning to visit.  Traveling on it's own is not a reason to vax, IMO, but there are certain places that have diseases that you might think about vaxxing for (i.e. for me polio would be one to consider if I were going somewhere with active polio). 

[twinpossible]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

Besides, anyone who is given a live-virus vaccine (such as FluMist, or the MMR) sheds live virus cells for up to 3 weeks, meaning they may be contagious for those diseases during that time period.  That's why they tell you to keep the child away from anyone with a compromised immune system, like people on chemo, or taking steroids.

Eww...gross! Now I am thinking about our playgroup and how the moms bring their child the day after a vax!

[canadianhippie]

Lol I know!!!

And were the ones putting their children at risk....yea

[twinpossible]

Originally Posted by canadianhippie 

Lol I know!!!

And were the ones putting their children at risk....yea

My thoughts too!

UPDATE: So...I started reading the Dr. Sears Vaccine book. Now I am horrified. My twins are very premature (9 weeks early) and spent 11 weeks in the NICU. I try not to treat them like "sick babies" because since leaving the hospital they have been very very healthy and show no signs of being born so early. However, in researching vaccines I think it is important for me not to forget that they are preemies. Dr. Sears has some cautions for premature babies that scare the crap out of me (kidney failure due to aluminum). Does anyone else have preemies? Also, he says that serious side effects do not happen often but already a momma posted about her poor DS, anyone else have a cautionary tale about a vaccine?

[Taximom5]

My first was only slightly premie (3 weeks early) but was IUGR (only 4 1/2 pounds). 

He was given Hep B the day he was born, and was unconscious for 5 days.  (He had been alert before the vax.)

He then had a seizure reaction after his 2-month shots.

We took the shots kind of slowly after that, but when he was a year old, we let the pediatrician talk us into the 12-month shots PLUS the MMR.  

He immediately developed intestinal problems, but we took him off dairy immediately.  We were also low-gluten compared to Western diets (mostly Asian foods), and later went completely gluten-free.

We didn't have enough sense to stop with the vaccines until his younger siblings began having severe reactions.

I think there are far more of us who wish we could take back vaccines than there are parents who wish they had vaccinated. But that's not scientific fact; that's just my anecdotal observation.