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post #1 of 43
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OK, so this thread is about those religions which believe/teach that their religion is the only true religion and that the only way to get to "heaven" (how ever that is defined) is to be a member of that faith.

I have never understood this way of thinking. It seems that religions often teach of a kind and loving God, but then say that the "gates of heaven" will not be opened up to someone unless that person is of a certain religion, no matter how wonderful that person is. The thing that really makes me crazy is the argument that someone who is truly amazing, someone who dedicated their life to helping others (the mother teresa type) would be denied access to heaven while some lame schmo would be let in because he happens to be a member of some particular religion, even if that person never really did much of anything in their life to better society.

I grew up non-LDS surrounded by LDS, so I spent a lot of time as an adolescent and teen arguing about this point with mormons. I know that mormons are not the only people who believe that their religion is the only true religion, I use them as an example just because I know more about that religion than most. Anyway, they teach that the LDS faith is the only true religion and that only those who have accepted that the mormon faith is true can be let into the highest level of heaven. (there is more discussion about this in the "baptism for the dead" thread -- you can accept it as true after you die, if someone baptizes you after your death and gives you the “option” of accepting the religion).

I can’t tell you how many hours of arguments I had with my mormon friends about this. It seemed, and still seems to be absolutely wrong. I just couldn’t see how any one could believe that some random person who happened to be mormon, and who got married in the temple and paid their 10% tithing but who never really did anything good for the world would get a free ticket to heaven but someone who dedicated their life to helping the poor, or to some other worthwhile cause, would not.

What other religions have this? Do others think this thinking is as flawed as I do?
post #2 of 43
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What other religions have this? Do others think this thinking is as flawed as I do?
are you asking what religions besides LDS?? I'm only saking since you only mentioned LDS in your post. I think it's pretty commonly known that Christanity is the big proponant of being the "one true religion"

as far thinking it's flawed?

well, my purpose in life isn't to get into the Christian "heaven". It also isn't to secure any kind of afterlife at all.

If it works for someone else fine. My only issue with the "one true way" is that it seems to come along with the requirement for saving the rest of us degenerates. As far as I'm concerned one you start requiring testimony you're infringing on my rights to live in peace.

So, I'll promise not to sick my Gods on you, if you keep your God to yourself.
post #3 of 43
It's called "religious exclusivism" and a favorite topic of mine!

Many very intelligent people have debated this topic throughout history, much more eloquently than I ever could. I'll dig out my college philosophy texts if anyone is interested in what so-and-so might have to say on this matter.

To very briefly answer your first question, it is an integral part of most (if not all) organized religions.

I'll come back and tackle your second question when my baby gives me half an hour to devote to it!
post #4 of 43
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it is an integral part of most (if not all) organized religions.
I can't say that I agree with that. I'm not sure if it's a part of Islam, but it is not part of Judaism. I'd consider Sanatana Dharma an organized religion and it definately does not consider itself the one true and only way.
post #5 of 43
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Originally posted by stafl
...To very briefly answer your first question, it is an integral part of most (if not all) organized religions...
It's not a part of Unitarian Universalism.

I think the idea of "one true religion" can be very comforting. However, I think all of life is more mysterious and less comfortable than that, religion included.
post #6 of 43
I really do not consider it part of Paganism either... all the teachings behind the Goddess Religions seem to teach that each person must find their own path..

i think we all need to find our own spirtual path and say for example my daughters chooses to go the same path i have gone great... if not then that is not her path and she must search for what speaks to her soul...thats y i dont believe in baptism until the child is old enuff to choose for themselves and i was raised RC so i know all bout original sin ...and i dont believe in that either...
post #7 of 43
It's not part of Judaism either.
post #8 of 43
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Originally posted by Arduinna
are you asking what religions besides LDS?? I'm only saking since you only mentioned LDS in your post. I think it's pretty commonly known that Christanity is the big proponant of being the "one true religion"


I guess I mean what other religions (non-christian) or other specific christian denominations hold this belief. With the LDS you aren't let into "heaven" if you aren't mormon, even if you are another type of christian or other religion.

So my question is, do catholics believe protestants can get to heaven, vice versa? Do different sects of protestants believe other sects can get in to heaven? e.g. do Baptists believe methodists can get in? Does Judaism preach this (people have already answered that it does not)? Islam?

I guess that by using the concept "heaven" I have limited the question to those religions that believe in a "heaven-like" afterlife. So to prevent limiting it in that way, I guess we can just equate "heaven" with what ever is its equivalent in other religions. (Nirvana, etc.)

just for some context...I am not religious myself and I do not believe in the idea of the christian "heaven" at all. I am coming to it purely from a curious outsider's perspective. I just have never understood how any religion can preach such exclusion and also state that their "god" is benevolent.
post #9 of 43
From my understanding, Catholicism teaches that you can't get into heaven if you're not Catholic. That and LDS are the only Christian religions that I know of that specify a specific denomination requirement for entry. The Christian faith teaches that we cannot earn a place in heaven - we could never possibly be good enough. The only "ticket" to heaven is God's grace, and that can only be received by accepting it and accepting/acknowledging Jesus Christ as the Savior.

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Originally posted by tricia80
(snip) thats y i dont believe in baptism until the child is old enuff to choose for themselves
We try to be very strong Christians, and all our children will be raised in a Christian household. We will teach them our beliefs and what it means to be Christians, but we will not baptise them before they are old enough to make their own decisions. We are not asked for blind faith - we as Christians are asked to CHOOSE to follow Christ and it must be a personal choice for every individual. That being said, after my (future) children are born, we will have a kind-of commitment ceremony-type thing where we pledge to God to raise them as Christians and help them in their walk.
post #10 of 43
This used to be one of the things I most disliked about Christianity.
Then I realised, as Arduinna also put it, that I am not the least bit invested in getting into the Christian heaven. And I don't believe in the Christian hell.
So, I realised that if Christians want to insist that theirs is the one true path, it really is no skin off my Pagan nose.
Well, that is until someone tries to convert me, or insists on trying to make me pray to their G-d.

But if they leave me in peace, I really don't care if they think there is one true path or not.

An old Romany proverb:
"The dogs bark, but the caravan passes on."

My caravan has passed by... I am content to practice my religion, even knowing other folks out there are certain I am going to their hell.
post #11 of 43
Thread Starter 
asherah,

Yeah, I guess I should just be able to not let it bother me since it doesn't really apply to my life. But I guess I am just so bothered by it at an intellectual level that I can't let it go. I loathe hypocrisy and this has always seems like such a hypocritical stance for a religion to take. "God is all knowing and all powerful and loving and kind, but he doesn't like you because you weren't baptised into the right religion" Pul-eeze. I guess I just don't get how people can truly believe that.
post #12 of 43
Catholics no longer believe that. They have now acknowleged that other Christians can go to heaven. They have only com to this conclusion in the past ten years though.

This issue is one of the many reasons that I could no longer conform to a conservative christian faith.

The God that they preach is just too cruel for me.
post #13 of 43
boysrus - Thank you for that correction. I'm always interested in the intricacies of belief systems that differ from my own.

Perhaps if all people regardless of belief were able/willing? to correct their own misconceptions about others, we would all be able to live more peacably.

I do believe that there is one way into heaven. I do also believe anyone has access to the "ticket". I have only recently become more vocal about my faith. I used to be afraid to admit to being Christian because it seems to me that it has become acceptable to attack Christians.

If anyone is truly interested in hearing about my beliefs, I would be thrilled to discuss them. I won't explain here why I don't feel this is a hypocritical stance, because I wouldn't want to be accused of attempting to convert anyone.

Here is something to think about: I believe every religion/belief system deserves respect. Faith of any kind is a very personal choice and everyone must make their own. One thing I have noticed in recent years: Noone would stand for a Pagan's beliefs to be attacked, but Christians are fair game.

EVERY religion has individuals who are rude, obnoxious, and judgmental and it seems unfair to single these people out and assign their actions to a group as diverse as Christians. Again, something that would not be tolerated for any other group of people.
post #14 of 43
Jews don't really speak too much of an afterlife. The idea is that we have to focus on fixing this world. You don't do mitvot (good deeds) for reward. If there is life after death, we believe that "The righteous of all nations will inherit it"

When a friend of mine asked my Rabbi what happens after death, he said, "We don't know. No one has ever come back to tell us."

We focus on actions, not beliefs. We believe that no one religion (including Judaism) holds a monopoly on truth.
post #15 of 43
My father was a member of the Worldwide Church of God. As he presented it to me, they believed that they were the "one true church."

I also think Jehovah's Witnesses have a similar belief - that their church is the only true religion.

Ann-Marita
post #16 of 43
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Originally posted by djs_girl517
If anyone is truly interested in hearing about my beliefs, I would be thrilled to discuss them. I won't explain here why I don't feel this is a hypocritical stance, because I wouldn't want to be accused of attempting to convert anyone.
I would be interested in hearing them. I don't think stating your beliefs means that you are trying to convert perople...unless you are trying to convert people.

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Originally posted by djs_girl517
Here is something to think about: I believe every religion/belief system deserves respect. Faith of any kind is a very personal choice and everyone must make their own. One thing I have noticed in recent years: Noone would stand for a Pagan's beliefs to be attacked, but Christians are fair game.
I think that the reason Christianity, or more specifically the organized religions that practice under the umbrella of Christianity, are often attacked because there have been a lot of terrible things done in the name of Christ and/or the christian God. To be sure, there have been a lot of terrible things done in the name of other gods as well, and by other religions too. I guess that when you are part of a dominant religion (worldwide I think the dominant religions in terms of sheer numbers are Christianity, Islam, Confucianism, and Judaism) you are more open for attack.
post #17 of 43
Here's what I meant when I said that all religions are exclusivist:

There are two sides to this debate. On one side are religious exclusivists who make the claim that there is one true God and only one path which leads to him. On the other side are pluralists who make the claim that all religions are different paths to the same ultimate Truth.

But, I have read it argued (by Kant? Emerson? I'd have to look it up) that even the pluralists (like the UU church) are being exclusive when they say that all religions are valid. In saying they are all right, it equates with saying the other religions are wrong to believe that they are the only right one. Convoluted, yes, but it makes sense in a weird way if you think about it (and when someone better with words says it than myself).

religious exclusivism is saying "we're right and you are wrong"
religious pluralism is saying "you are all right (except when you say everyone else is wrong)"

In my opinion, when you follow any particular organized religion (even if it is pluralistic in nature), you are picking sides and making the claim that yours is the right one and everyone else is wrong.

and I have read it argued that exclusivism isn't such a terrible thing. Not sure I agree with that, but let me see if I can find a good quote or source for you all to ponder:
google results for Alvin Plantinga on Religious Exclusivism
post #18 of 43
Hm, stafl, your post made me go:

"Huh, that's just silly."

But then I thought about it for a minute and it began to make sense.

So even if I, a person who thinks every religion is valid for each practitioner, b/c religion is so personal (depending on up-bringing, personality, life experience, fear, etc), if I give a True Religionist the option of her religion, it will still annoy her b/c she thinks it isn't a personal choice, but her only option absolutely.

Save The Wild, you said:

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I guess that when you are part of a dominant religion (worldwide I think the dominant religions in terms of sheer numbers are Christianity, Islam, Confucianism, and Judaism) you are more open for attack.
Stats yr 2000: Christianity is the religion with the most adherents worldwide. 33%. Which means 66% of the world is not Xtian.

Jews only comprise .2%.
Muslims 19.6%
Hindus 13.4%

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These data are based on census or public opinion data.1Thus, a person is considered to be of a particular religion if they say that they are of that faith. Thus, about 75% of the adults in both the U.S. and Canada are Christians. Many individuals and religious groups have much more strict definitions for membership. Many conservative Christians believe that one has to be "born again" in order to be counted as a Christian. Using this definition, only about 35% of Americans would be counted as Christians. This difference in definitions between conservative Christians and the rest of the population causes much confusion. Some of the approximately 1,000 Christian faith groups in the U.S. and Canada believe themselves to be the only true Christian denomination. Thus, depending on the definition used, the percentage of Christians in the U.S. are 0.1 to 75% of the total population.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm
post #19 of 43
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Letting go of my anger over this issue has been a PROCESS.
If I ponder it, I can still get riled up.
But then I just remind myself it has NO meaning for me, as long as MY freedom of religion is protected.

Learning not to see my own religious beliefs through the lens of Christianity is an ongoing process. Because, of course, Christianity is the dominant religion, it is everywhere and in our faces all the time. So it is easy to just want to BATTLE it... but that takes sooo much energy that could be better spent in my own spiritual pursuits...

So, I have learned to let go. Or, I should say.. I am LEARNING to let go.
post #20 of 43
I grew up in the Church of Christ, and it believes that it is the only true Church. The reasons stated most often include "we are doing everything as closely to the Bible as possible" and "we try to do this as much as the first Century Church as possible (note: both points are not true if you ask me, but that is the common belief). They believe that most other churches have added to the bible. They are very old fashioned when it comes to women having any role in services, ect.

I have a very hard time w/ this b/c my family thinks I am destined for Hell. There is NO reasoning w/ them. My mom converted b/f she married my dad and thinks her whole family is going to hell. My Dad's entire family are hard core CoC! My dad is a lay preacher too. It infuriates me when I dwell on it. I have learned in the last 2 years to let it go. There is no way that I will change what they believe. They have a very elitist attitude. I have always had a hard time with damning anyone to hell. Even murderers do not deserve to be tortured for an endless eternity. I think that followers of religions that think such things must either not fully understand it, or are so messed up that they believe it is just. Unfortunately my family fall into the later category It sucks :P
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