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post #21 of 31
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post

If you self define as an User and have school age children/ youth, I would be interested in knowing if you:

-strew. Infrequent or regularly?Sometimes
-have curriculum or textbooks in the house? Yes Few or many? Many (IMO)
-ask or model that kids use the above items No
-insist kids use these items. No
-kids have chores Eldest has 1 chore - to feed the chickens in the morning. Gets her outside to help reset her body clock, otherwise she i more of a nightowl than we can happily kive with
-kids have bedtimes No
-place limits on some activities (screens, for example) Firm limits, no. Suggested limits & discussion, yes
-do structured activities out of the house.  YesAny limits on this? Physical/time constraints. I don't drive so DD can do only the activities that DS and I can handle thetravel for




I often think the picture we, and others have of what USing looks like is lacking.  I am simply interested in what you do and if you feel like sharing - why.

Oh, and if you can think of something  I missed on the above  list, let me know and I will stick it in the Op.    
post #22 of 31

 

-strew. Infrequent or regularly?

I stumble across books, ideas, kits, thoughts, quotes, oddities and such all the time...if I think anyone in my family might find them interesting, I share - this includes my hubby and he does the same for me. 
For me strewing isn't something we *do to* the children and there is nothing covert about it -- we all just know one another and one another's interests really well and are delighted to share 'finds' 

 

-have curriculum or textbooks in the house?  Few or many?

We have textbooks that one or the other of us found at a used book store. As I mentioned above, we all have our interests. If my hubby or one of the children see a knitting book -- they direct me to it because they know that I will probably be interested -- same with my middle child about birds, etc. So the textbooks we have around are what someone found and acquired to feed a passion.
We have some oak meadow curriculum too. My eldest son and I have fun learning together and we use this as our medium -- this year it is taking us (quite willingly!) down the *rabbit hole* of ancient civilizations. ;)
We do have far fewer textbooks, curricula and just plain ole books in the house than what we used to, though. Previously I had been diligent about keeping lots of reference materials on the shelves -- 'just in case' -- I'm not sure quite what I was preparing for. But after multiple interstate moves I realized that we did not much use them. So I gave 75% of the materials away. Now we utilize the library liberally and do lots of google searching for discrete pockets of info that we probably wouldn't have had a book about anyway. 

 

-ask or model that kids use the above items
-insist kids use these items.
Nope. But neither could I stop them. ;)
I wouldn't check a book out from the library, give it to my hubby and insist that he read it. That would be rude. But we have such a trusting relationship that if I offered him a book and suggested that it might be useful/interesting, he'd have a look. I try to have that same trusting, non-manipulative relationship with the children. AND to be totally ok with it if they take a look and say 'no, thanks.'

 

-kids have chores

-kids have bedtimes
Not really. We have a time at night when we all head to our rooms -- but none of the children are expected turn off their lights and go straight to sleep. We ask that they go to their rooms and respect the need for quiet and calm. They are each more than welcome to read, write, create as long as they wish as long as it doesn't prevent any other family member from getting the rest they need. Same thing for in the morning. The earlier risers are asked, simply, to let the later sleepers sleep until their body is rested. 
Like most things, we try not to rely on 'rule's but principles and the basic principle is to respect that a body that is asleep (or wants to be) should be left in peace.

As for chores, there are things that each child enjoys helping with -- one child geeks out over being able to mop the kitchen -- another loves to vacuum -- a third thinks it is great fun to clean the windows. Yay! I get help with chores and they get to have fun. :D
There are (plenty) of tasks that no one likes. But when I ask that they clean the legos up so that I can vacuum -- they help, usually. ;)

 

-place limits on some activities (screens, for example)
Not for the purpose of controlling their activities -- but rather for balance between the three of them. With three children (12, 8, 5) and one big tv for watching netflix and playing Wii games -- referring is my sometimes job. 
Same with the tablet computer that the three of them share for playing on pbskids or Roblox or doing lego research...
Most of my task, with regard to the screens, has to do with helping them to be aware of one another. And redirecting. Especially my 5yo daughter. Redirecting her to the craft supplies in the kitchen isn't about limiting her screen time -- it is about helping her to not be so mad that it is someone else's turn to use the screen. :D
Beyond the issue of sharing, though, they are just happy, curious, intelligent children who very naturally drift away from the screen when they are ready to engage in something else. There's lego structures to be built, glue to be applied and dungeons and dragons characters to create.

 

-do structured activities out of the house.  Any limits on this?
Sometimes one or the other of them wants to take a class -- though this is almost always the eldest. The other two are just happy to visit parks and play spaces and friends and just be at home.
If all of them were clamoring for structured activities more then my limits would be a) time constraints, and b) budget constraints. Right now (besides memberships to area museums and attractions) most of what they want to do costs nothing more than the gas to drive there. 

 

 

Really our family has been just grooving along really, really well in the last year. We've gotten into a good unschooling groove that is predicated on the idea of being mindful. We are all aware of one another's interests, needs, limits, neurosis and (mostly) work to have good relationships within the family. Yes, the children squabble at times and at times seem to be devoted to annoying one another. But mostly, we are just happy to be together. We are all inquisitive, compassionate and loving human beings. And we geek out over supporting one another's interests.
 

post #23 of 31

-strew. Infrequent or regularly?  -- Not really sure what this is.

 

-have curriculum or textbooks in the house?  Few or many? -- A few and most are not used.

 

-ask or model that kids use the above items - We have a math workbook that the kids do use. We have cursive books, but they wanted me to get those for them.

 

-insist kids use these items. -- I don't think I insist too much.

 

-kids have chores -- Yes, but they aren't set. They have to do two things to help about the house every day to help with life skills. They change based on our daily needs. You might have take out trash or unload silverware or sort your undies.

 

-kids have bedtimes-- They have times to be IN BED. My son typically reads one picture book and falls asleep. My daughter will often stay up until 10 or 11 reading alone in her room. We're usually OK with this as long as she doesn't have to get up early the next morning. Both the kids can get REALLY grumpy when there's not enough sleep.

 

-place limits on some activities (screens, for example) Most definitely. I'd rather them do something else than stare at a screen, but they do get screen time each day.

 

-do structured activities out of the house.  Any limits on this? My sanity and our finances are the limits. We have cut things out when I find they're taking up too much family time. Currently our son has baseball, tennis and golf. Daughter has tennis and ballet. Both do co-op and PE.

post #24 of 31
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Originally Posted by Savoir Faire View Post

-strew. Infrequent or regularly?  -- Not really sure what this is.

 

Strewing in unschooling is, more or less, leaving books or other things around the house for kids to discover (or simply use) on their own time.

 

I do leave stuff around occasionally and not say anything, but more often my version of strewing is "look what I brought home" then I leave it out for them to decide whether they want to look at it or not.
 

 

post #25 of 31
Let me premise by disclosing that I have 4 boys, 21, 8, 4 and 8 months. I did home/unschool the oldest for a few years and do consider ourselves as currently unschooling our preschooler but currently only have the one compulsory school-aged child.
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post

If you self define as an User and have school age children/ youth, I would be interested in knowing if you:

-strew. Infrequent or regularly?

Not for my younger kids. I show my kids what I have for them that I think they'd be interested in rather than just leaving it for them to find. Apparently, my mother strews when she comes to visit, though. I always find reading and activities books that she has left after she's gone.

-have curriculum or textbooks in the house? Few or many?

Yes, I have one set from when we were homeschooling my then (2004) 7th/8th grader before we were unschooling but nothing new for my younger kids. We did just buy a bunch of school-type workbooks yesterday at my 8yo's request. We have a lot of non-fiction, reference books.

-ask or model that kids use the above items

No

-insist kids use these items.

No

-kids have chores

No, but I do expect them to help clean up after themselves and frequently ask them to help around the house. Sporadically, they will offer to help and I always accept.

-kids have bedtimes

Sort of, I guess. We all go to bed at the same time. There's not set in stone time but it usually ends up being between 10 and 11 pm.

-place limits on some activities (screens, for example)

No

-do structured activities out of the house.  Any limits on this?

Yes, if they want. My 8yo has done Tae Kwon Do, basketball and dance and taken a homeschool choral class. He is going to play baseball for the first time this spring. We also go bowling and to the park on regularly scheduled days with a local homeschool group. It's all voluntary, though. We don't make our children join or try something or continue it if they don't enjoy it.

post #26 of 31

-strew. Infrequent or regularly?

No. I've always found the concept a little manipulative. I wouldn't like it if my friends covertly "exposed" me to things as if I'm incapable of defining my own interests. But I DO show them new things and ask them if they're interested. We went to the craft store to buy paintbrushes but the kids found felt and embroidery thread and we've been making our own pirate themed ugly dolls for two days. I might suggest things to do if they're bored or if I need some down time, or if they're tired and need some down time. 

-have curriculum or textbooks in the house? Few or many?

Yes. I'm in love with them (I was unschooled personally and feel a textbook void in my life) but my kids could care less. Sometimes we do some workbooks for a month, a page or two a day, and then they get tired of it and we move on to other things.


-ask or model that kids use the above items

Sort of.

-insist kids use these items.

It depends on what the kids need/want to accomplish. For instance, my son made pancakes by himself last week and I found a few workbook pages on fractions so that he could sort of reinforce those concepts. I said, hey, this might help you sort out the recipe when your cooking on your own. He was thrilled to be doing it so he did it. He's eight.

-kids have chores

Yes! Taking out the garbage and recycling and cleaning up their room. They also do little jobs for my husband when he gets home from work and he pays them. This is particularly useful for helping them learn how to manage money, add, subtract, multiply, figure out percentages, etc. My eight year old loves it. My four year old could care less right now...haha.


-kids have bedtimes

Yes. Nine-ish. But that is subject to change when there's something loud/interesting going on.


-place limits on some activities (screens, for example)
 

Yes. No violent video games. No hitting, kicking, punching or screaming at each other. I tried the limiting screen time thing and we ALL got pretty frustrated. Now we use the crabbiness/bugged-out eyeballs meter and turn screens off when the sun's out and we should be getting some fresh air or reading or learning applique or something. Some days are Phinneas and Ferb marathons...what can I say? 

-do structured activities out of the house.  Any limits on this?

Money is the limit on that. And how much I feel like being a chauffeur is my calling in life. An activity 2 days per week is nice, maybe three. Most of our activities are through the community center and I have to hang out with the nannies/moms for an hour during the kids' classes and get quizzed on homeschooling. LOL  

post #27 of 31
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Originally Posted by riversmommy View Post

-strew. Infrequent or regularly?

No. I've always found the concept a little manipulative. I wouldn't like it if my friends covertly "exposed" me to things as if I'm incapable of defining my own interests.


Yes, I find it very annoying when my mother leaves stuff lying around my house. To me it's just more crap I have to clean up and throw out. I'd much rather she show it to me or the kids and ask if we are interested.

But my 21 year old is different. He will reject outright just about anything that anyone suggest to him. He is much more likely to at least consider something if I leave it out for him to discover.
post #28 of 31

Strewing can definitely have hidden-agenda. Depending on how it's done it can feel dishonest, sneaky or manipulative, in a passive-aggressive way. But I don't think it necessarily has to be that way.

 

I strewed things when my kids were young. Strewn resources were sort of like little surpises they could stumble on and take delight in. They were too young to be aware that such resources were available, to young to know to ask for them, and it was fun for them to find new toys or activities. Yet if these things were uninteresting to them, they felt under no obligation to feign interest.

 

Sometimes my strewing was just me thinking "This is neat, and it will probably come in handy with at least one of the kids at some point. So I'll buy it so we have it on hand. And who knows, maybe someone will be interested in it now...." We live in the boonies without resources being readily available; I tend to stock a large pantry in the same way. It's nice to have a stockpile of stuff, and if someone wants to get into it now, that's fine.

 

And sometimes my strewing is a case of thinking "This will probably be right up ___'s alley." So I bring it home and in my typical way forget to mention it, and then a kid will find it and ask what it's for, and I'll say "Oh yeah, I saw that and I thought it might interest your brother. Or you. Feel free to try it out."

 

I don't think of any of these styles of strewing as being particularly manipulative.

 

Miranda

 

post #29 of 31

I strew activities more than things. I have plans to get some books and have some ideas of activities that i hope they will join me in (eg. gardening, juicing, crochet etc). Just things I think they might like and I csn offer., to give them ideas etc.I don't like clutter so its not in the way I have read about.

I don't offer texbooks or workbooks but twe have been given some. Also my daughter was at school so there are few textbooks around, they are not evil to me, just another tool that may be useful.

I love the idea of learning as a family so strewing is definitely a family thing, so I model with my interest in things. I wouldn't insist, I am not interested into coercing at all. I don't think learning willl happen in that way.   I have suggested that my 6yo learn to read so he can enjoy things more but I know it will happen when he is ready (he knows a lot of words, sounds and has a great vocab and comprehension so I think that is just as important and reading will be easy when he is ready - he could read a simple book if I insisted but I rather not).

No bedtimes, never been my style. I think being told to go to sleep when not tired doesn't work.  I rather they have rst time (for respect for the tired people who want to sleep) and see their own signs for tiredness.

No chores except we do have a few jobs we share.

We don't limit screen time. At the moment kids don't watchTV.  They prefer internet, my daughter likes videos, my boys like video games.  

We are open to activities they want to do. We are limited by budget and time.  oherwise we spend a great deal of time going out s a family. 

post #30 of 31
-strew. Infrequent or regularly?
I don't strew. I share. I think it was Barbara, here on this board, who first put it that way, and I've been using it ever since. Sharing, to me, is a normal and natural thing for people who care about each other to do. I do it with many people in my life - sharing articles, ideas, information about museums or talks or workshops, books, tools, tv shows, and lots of other stuff. And, of course, people do this with me, too, and we all say, "Thanks for thinking of me" and take it or leave it.

I also find the idea of strewing manipulative. I think open communication is important...

-have curriculum or textbooks in the house?  Few or many?
We have/had some... I'm not sure how to define few or many, or what things count as curriculum. When Rain was little, for example, we had stuff like pattern blocks and puzzle books - do they count? As she got older, we acquired lots of actual textbooks, for her college classes and a couple for the SAT IIs she self-studied for... when she was little, I think we only had 2-3 actual textbooks, from the thrift store. We had some math workbooks, too, maybe 3-4? And then when she got a little older we had a whole series of Key to books, so she had "homework" to do backstage like the other kids..

-ask or model that kids use the above items
I did with the pattern blocks and cuisenaire rods, because I thought they were so cool and I wanted her to get into them and think they were cool. I had such great childhood memories of cuisenaire rods. Sadly it never really worked... she played along for a bit but really only liked using them to build towns and farms and amusements parks.

-insist kids use these items.
No
-kids have chores
Not really, although I expected Rain to help with things, and I did share my irritation when I felt I wasn't getting any help...

-kids have bedtimes
We tried this before we started unschooling (so, ages 3-5, basically) because I was in school and we would have to wake up early in the mornings... it was never much of a success. She was still young enough that bedtime meant we both went to bed, although if she fell asleep I would get up again and work...

-place limits on some activities (screens, for example)
We'd talk about it a lot, but not really limits... well, that's not true. Rain remembers me implementing some sort of tv time limit back when she was 6 or 7. As she recalls it didn't last long, and it irked her. We never had a lot of success with stuff like this, really.

-do structured activities out of the house.  Any limits on this?

Oh, tons, whatever she wanted to do, as long as we could afford it and it didn't make our lives too insane (theatre and soccer was a mistake).
post #31 of 31

-strew. Infrequent or regularly?

 

I do, but not with any regularity. If I find something that I think or know DD would like, or perhaps that I think she should know because it would be relevant to her life right now, then I do. I don't just strew for the sake of strewing, and I do do it because she does respond to it.  For us it works because she really truly is an autodidact and she loves learning things on her own.

 

-have curriculum or textbooks in the house?  Few or many?

Nope, not really.  We have "learning books" but I think those are a far cry from text books. 

 

-ask or model that kids use the above items

No.

 

-insist kids use these items.

No.

 

-kids have chores

No, not really.  She is expected to deal with the care and keeping of herself (personal hygiene, getting ready for the day, getting ready for bed, etc.) but she's not expected to wash dishes, for example. If I would like help with something, I tell her I'd like help and she will help.

 

-kids have bedtimes

Sort of. My husband gets up at 5:30am so he's in bed by 10. We try to have DD (she's almost 10) in her own room by 9 just so we can have our own time before bed to chill. She reads from that point until she falls asleep, which could be 30 minutes or three hours later.

 

-place limits on some activities (screens, for example)

No.

 

-do structured activities out of the house.  Any limits on this?

She does classes, workshops, field trips, etc. No limit. If she wants to do them, she does them. She enjoys being out of the house and social so some weeks are quite busy!

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