Post-Gardasil Syndrome - Page 5

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Buzzer Beater 

Okay I'll bite one more time, then I think I'll give up. I have agreed to the point made repeatedly here that parents who give consent for vax are not giving informed consent for various and many reasons, some more valid than others IMHO. 

How would a system (our system) ensure informed consent, especially since just about everyone here thinks the VIS suck even when they are actually handed out.

What are some suggestions for informing parents? What does informed consent look like to you? What would informed consent look like to a doctor who administers vax?

I think that a pamphlet should be mailed out before the first appointment that correctly details the diseases being vaccinated against, and ALL known risks of the vaccines as well as of the diseases.

If they're going to say that 36,000 Americans die annually from the flu (which they do say, and which is utterly untrue), shouldn't they also say that 1293 Americans have been compensated for vaccine-induced brain damage?  Shouldn't they tell us about every case that was compensated in Vaccine Court instead of sealing the records? Shouldn't they tell us about seizure reactions, and about the studies that do link vaccines with all kinds of developmental and autoimmune disorders?

If I had known all the risks, I would have delayed all vaccines until after age 2, and then done only a few in total.  I certainly would never have allowed hep B.

In addition, I think the nurse giving the shots should go over the risks again, rather like they do before you have surgery, and have you sign a consent form, putting your initials by  each listed risk BEFORE giving the shots.

[Taximom5]

I also think it would be nice for the doctor to sign a form, not unlike the one I posted.

After all, if you have NO legal right to sue your doctor if your child has a severe reactionto something the doctor insists on, shouldn't the doctor be required to legally admit that (s)he understands the risks,  in writing?

[Love]

I havent read every page but I am up to page four and there is something that I absolutely need to add in here. I can tell this topic is heated and I can see both sides point of views about parents needing to be more responsible for their children. I agree that they do need to be but with arguing this point we are fundamentally overlooking possibly the largest issue that is at play here. Whether it is the fault of the parents, cdc, doctors, government, or any other organization the consequence effects the kids. The kids are not able to advocate for themselves and the kids do not have the mentality to make choices for themselves. So whoever it is that makes the choices they are the ones that are effected so to me who is at fault matters very very little "I FEEL" are research, aggression, frustration, denial, whatever needs to be focused on the kids specifically. Just because a parent signs without reading doesnt make the child deserving of reactions or death or whatever malady may come to them. So its the parents fault the cdcs fault what does any of that matter if a child is hurt. The child is the priority.

I know very little about guardasil specifically but i have spent the last week researching vaccines in general. I have read books and articles from both sides and it is beyond obvious that despite what a doctor says about the fact it is totally safe .. They are not. I think the thing to focus on more specifically is exactly how unsafe are they and why isnt this a top priority for everyone involved to determine if the negatives could be outweighing the positives. Why are people being termed alarmists and why is the government pushing to make vaccines a requirement rather then putting forth the effort to provide us with evidence to support their claims of safety. Why is VAERS this open system where anyone can post... We cant accept that as evidence we need sound science and research we need a system that would make it a priority to validate these claims and for a qualified person to make a report to prove these claims. We also need requirements about the reporting 1-10% is not acceptable we could never even fathom the extent how bad these may be hurting people with only 1-10% being reported by absolutely anyone at any time for any reason.

So i will step off my soapbox here but rather than being upset with eachother and arguing about something we honestly arent able to argue because honestly neither side has sound evidence to support them why doesnt everyone focus more on getting that evidence so that we do not have to argue so that we know our children are safe and we know how many are being poorly effected by vaccines.

Or for this thread specifically sharing knowledge with each other without judgement so we can all make the best choices for our families that we know how because right now thats are only options isnt it


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Edited by Love - 1/21/12 at 9:27pm

[Imakcerka]

Uh... because all information that is out there can obviously be coerced by the human factor... oh and money.  
 

Originally Posted by Love 

I havent read every page but I am up to page four and there is something that I absolutely need to add in here. I can tell this topic is heated and I can see both sides point of views about parents needing to be more responsible for their children. I agree that they do need to be but with arguing this point we are fundamentally overlooking possibly the largest issue that is at play here. Whether it is the fault of the parents, cdc, doctors, government, or any other organization the consequence effects the kids. The kids are not able to advocate for themselves and the kids do not have the mentality to make choices for themselves. So whoever it is that makes the choices they are the ones that are effected so to me who is at fault matters very very little "I FEEL" are research, aggression, frustration, denial, whatever needs to be focused on the kids specifically. Just because a parent signs without reading doesnt make the child deserving of reactions or death or whatever malady may come to them.
I know very little about guardasil specifically but i have spent the last week researching vaccines in general. I have read books and articles from both sides and it is beyond obvious that despite what a doctor says about the fact it is totally safe .. They are not. I think the thing to focus on more specifically is exactly how unsafe are they and why isnt this a top priority for everyone involved to determine if the negatives could be outweighing the positives. Why are people being termed alarmists and why is the government pushing to make vaccines a requirement rather then putting forth the effort to provide us with evidence to support their claims of safety. Why is VAERS this open system where anyone can post... We cant accept that as evidence we need sound science and research we need a system that would make it a priority to validate these claims and for a qualified person to make a report to prove these claims. We also need requirements about the reporting 1-10% is not acceptable we could never even fathom the extent how bad these may be hurting people with only 1-10% being reported by absolutely anyone at any time for any reason.
So i will step off my soapbox here but rather than being upset with eachother and arguing about something we honestly arent able to argue because honestly neither side has sound evidence to support them why doesnt everyone focus more on getting that evidence so that we do not have to argue so that we know our children are safe and we know how many are being poorly effected by vaccines.
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[Marnica]

Love,

I suggest you read this book.  http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Epidemic-Corporate-Coercive-Government/dp/1616082720 I imagine many of your questions will be answered. It is an excellent book. Well researched and well referenced.

Ask yourself this as well. Can you imagine if the powers that be did all that you feel they should to get the truth to the masses and it happens that ooppps vaccines are far more harmful than they are beneficial and our governement has made them mandatory to receive an education in the country, has protected all those involved from any kind of liability, and essentially damaged an entire generation of children?? How do you think that would go down?

 

Originally Posted by Love 

I havent read every page but I am up to page four and there is something that I absolutely need to add in here. I can tell this topic is heated and I can see both sides point of views about parents needing to be more responsible for their children. I agree that they do need to be but with arguing this point we are fundamentally overlooking possibly the largest issue that is at play here. Whether it is the fault of the parents, cdc, doctors, government, or any other organization the consequence effects the kids. The kids are not able to advocate for themselves and the kids do not have the mentality to make choices for themselves. So whoever it is that makes the choices they are the ones that are effected so to me who is at fault matters very very little "I FEEL" are research, aggression, frustration, denial, whatever needs to be focused on the kids specifically. Just because a parent signs without reading doesnt make the child deserving of reactions or death or whatever malady may come to them. So its the parents fault the cdcs fault what does any of that matter if a child is hurt. The child is the priority.
I know very little about guardasil specifically but i have spent the last week researching vaccines in general. I have read books and articles from both sides and it is beyond obvious that despite what a doctor says about the fact it is totally safe .. They are not. I think the thing to focus on more specifically is exactly how unsafe are they and why isnt this a top priority for everyone involved to determine if the negatives could be outweighing the positives. Why are people being termed alarmists and why is the government pushing to make vaccines a requirement rather then putting forth the effort to provide us with evidence to support their claims of safety. Why is VAERS this open system where anyone can post... We cant accept that as evidence we need sound science and research we need a system that would make it a priority to validate these claims and for a qualified person to make a report to prove these claims. We also need requirements about the reporting 1-10% is not acceptable we could never even fathom the extent how bad these may be hurting people with only 1-10% being reported by absolutely anyone at any time for any reason.
So i will step off my soapbox here but rather than being upset with eachother and arguing about something we honestly arent able to argue because honestly neither side has sound evidence to support them why doesnt everyone focus more on getting that evidence so that we do not have to argue so that we know our children are safe and we know how many are being poorly effected by vaccines.
Or for this thread specifically sharing knowledge with each other without judgement so we can all make the best choices for our families that we know how because right now thats are only options isnt it
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[1love4ever]

I havent read many of the above posts but just wanted to say that before I knew better I got 2 of the 3 gardasil shots and my thinking has not been the same since.  It took a bit to figure it out but my mind has been foggy I guess you could say ever since.  I've always been a person with above average intelligence and an excellent memory.  My memory is not even close to excellent anymore and my intelligence is not like it was either and I'm only 21.  I am certain its due to the vaccine

[CGAN]

Try drinking silicone-oxide rich mineral water (volvic, fiji, etc...) Dr. Chris Exley, an eminent scientist in the area of aluminum reasearch has found that silicone oxides chelate heavy metals like aluminum out of the tissues of the brain.  I had a persistent "buzz" in my brain since the H1N1 shot and have noticed improvement in my mental functioning since drinking this silicone rich water.  Google Dr. Exley and see Vaccine Safety Conference video's  on YouTube.  Hope this helps.