we are in the northeast and have a hugh bounty, within two hours drive I get 90% of all our food-I do know how it is grown and who grows it
Well that works for you. Wouldn't work for me. I would have to do a lot of driving around just to eat, or borrow my neighbors yard to continue my garden. It's not easy. Acting like it's any other is not exactly helpful.
we are in the northeast and have a hugh bounty, within two hours drive I get 90% of all our food-I do know how it is grown and who grows it
we are in the northeast and have a hugh bounty, within two hours drive I get 90% of all our food-I do know how it is grown and who grows it
And just to clarify, all of this food is grown without pesticides, not even organic pesticides?
I agree with this entirely.
you happen to be the one that implied and put words in my mouth (that I DID NOT STATE!) - you come off as very offensive and rude- talk about high and mighty!
I stated US - not others
our choice is ours
facts are facts - pesticides are what they are - fact not fiction - it is not a "judgement" when you state a fact
ETA - people make "life-style"(non-allergic) food related choices all the time (kosher, vegan, avoiding certain ingredients, etc) avoiding non-organics should - IMO be view in the same context - nothing to be afraid of or embarrassed of - but a choice that should be respected
if you can respect that a person does not want their child to eat a potato fried in pork fat (for ex.- for any number of reasons) why can't that person respect the organic choice that parent is making?
Your exact phrase was "we happen to care about what goes into our child's body". That's not putting words in your mouth, that's making a reasonable inference from your statement that those that don't feed their children a 100% organic diet don't care. And I'm sorry if you don't see it this way - but that's ridiculous.
Well, the other tricky thing with 'all organic' is that unless you are eating raw (which for all I know that is what you do!), different people define what constitutes 'all organic' differently. I have enough fussy people in my life that when someone says something like that I take them more literally at their word than most people do. So *I* would assume that if you asked if my banana bread was 'organic' you also meant the baking soda/flour/salt/spices. I think a normal person would probably answer 'yes' as long as the oil/bananas/flour were 'organic' on the label.
I really don't think you can reject people's food in a polite way to all people. As I mentioned before, I'm to the point where it doesn't phase me and I don't take it personally, because I have many otherwise loveable but very insistantly hardcore people in my life. I know it's not about me, it's about them. People do get bent out of shape over food (ask a person who keeps kosher/has food allergies/is vegan or vegetarian--no matter what the reason is, some people will be offended or assume that you think everyone who doesn't eat like you is a piece of crap). It's just one of those weird primal things I guess.
So yes, be all organic and do what you have to do--but it's unrealistic and IMO unreasonable to expect to insist on that and have nobody be mad or offended at you ever. Maybe in happy perfect world, it could be like that, but it's just not reality. If you have food needs, you're going to have to have uncomfortable conversations whether you like it or not, and you are going to be impolite to some people. You'll just have to be charming in other ways or go out of your way to make sure that you directly say that this is YOUR thing and you do not blame anyone or expect them to bow to your preferences; and hopefully they will believe you. If you do kinda look down on non-organic people though, you're not going to be able to fake it though. All my friends who think they fake it well so DO NOT. I love teasing them about it. :)
YES we do!
there happens to be many farmers in our area that use no pesticides at all
OUR child not your child!
- same as a parent of a child who is vegan, allergic, kosher, etc -
would you dare make such a rude remark to a parent of a child with a nut allergy who cares what goes into their body?
our child, our choice
Angry Serenbat!
OUR child not your child!
- same as a parent of a child who is vegan, allergic, kosher, etc -
would you dare make such a rude remark to a parent of a child with a nut allergy who cares what goes into their body?
our child, our choice
we are in the northeast and have a hugh bounty, within two hours drive I get 90% of all our food-I do know how it is grown and who grows it
But you're ok with the car emissions from driving that much to get your food?
I viewed this much like other parenting issues - I have my ideals, but I also live in reality. I think moderation is key.
poisons are just that- poisons
some people understand that one seed can cause harm or a skin of an apple,etc - same goes with pesticides (they do cause harm)
we avoid soy, we would not think to NOT ask about that- regardless if it organic or not- just like alcohol or caffeine - we don't want our child eating those things---we would not be responsible parents if we just let anything be placed in-front of our child by a host
pesticides are right up their with soda for us-we happen to care what goes in our child's body and our too!
And yet others don't even know what the word poison means.
we are in the northeast and have a hugh bounty, within two hours drive I get 90% of all our food-I do know how it is grown and who grows it
I simply don't believe this.
OUR child not your child!
- same as a parent of a child who is vegan, allergic, kosher, etc -
would you dare make such a rude remark to a parent of a child with a nut allergy who cares what goes into their body?
our child, our choice
we are in the northeast and have a hugh bounty, within two hours drive I get 90% of all our food-I do know how it is grown and who grows it
I simply don't believe this.
you obviously don't know much about Rodale and their vast influence - it is great to live in an area that does get it!
to drive once a year 2 hours for blueberries is far better to use vs weekly trips to a grocery store to buy trucked in fruit that is out of season locally
YES we do!
there happens to be many farmers in our area that use no pesticides at all
Er.... and I simply don't believe this. Maybe you are misunderstanding the situation. For example, if you ask them if they use pesticides, and they say no, perhaps they are really saying, "no, no synthetic pesticide, or no non-organic pesticides."?
I've worked on organic and conventional farms since I was in high school, I've gotten a graduate degree in Plant and Soil Science, I've worked for University Extension Services that provide education and outreach to farmers across each state, I obsess about growing things... I have yet to visit a single farm that uses no pesticides at all. Not a single one. They do exist, but when they do they are often very, very unique - Sepp Holzer anyone?
I understand very well, MANY ARE NOT USING - not even organic anymore!
I know ones that did in the past and now are not.
I know the farmers I buy from and I know how they food is raised and what I am getting. I know what I am growing too!
you obviously don't know much about Rodale and their vast influence - it is great to live in an area that does get it!
to drive once a year 2 hours for blueberries is far better to use vs weekly trips to a grocery store to buy trucked in fruit that is out of season locally
Oh pfft. Here is an article from the Rodale Institute about how to approach pest management decisions. Here's a quote:
If you plan to use a botanical or biological pesticide or a synthetic pesticide on the National List, make sure that the formulated (brand name) product you intend to use is approved by your certifier prior to applying it to your crop or land. Keep in mind that most insecticides contain inert ingredients as carriers and/or fillers. Synthetic inert ingredients that are classified on the Environmental Protection Agency’s List 4 “Inerts of Minimal Concern” may be used. Inert ingredients on EPA’s List 3 “Inerts of Unknown Toxicity” may only be used in passive pheromone dispensers.
Organic. It does not mean what you think it means.
OUR child not your child!
- same as a parent of a child who is vegan, allergic, kosher, etc -
would you dare make such a rude remark to a parent of a child with a nut allergy who cares what goes into their body?
our child, our choice
You're not even addressing what I'm taking issue with in regard to your original comment at this point. Yes of course it's "your child, your choice". But I take issue with you making a value judgment on those parents that cannot afford/acquire a 100% organic diet for their children - your original statement implies that they don't care enough about their children! That's the kind of attitude that I think is offensive, high and mighty and rude. You many not think so, but that's what people are going to think/feel when you start tossing around phrases like "we happen to care...". A statement phrased in that way is a value judgement. At any rate, you don't understand the logic or you don't care to.
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