Vaccines in impoverished areas - Page 2

[kathymuggle]

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Originally Posted by mormontreehugger 

Kids can actually die of measles, or cholera, or whatever else is floating around. If my son got the measles, I'd tuck him into bed and use natural remedies or take him to the doctor if those didn't work. If a little toddler in the poor parts of Brazil gets the measles, he pretty much dies. The lucky ones make it, but there's not a whole lot of luck going around.

Nitpicking a little :  kids do die in poor countries of measles, and at way higher rates that here, but a toddler in Brazil "does not pretty much die"



here is a blurb:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1712354/

But in endemic areas in sub-Saharan Africa, the measles case fatality ratio often ranges from 5%–10%.

Measles is a major cause of child death in refugee camps and in internally displaced populations, and case fatality ratios in children in complex emergencies have been as high as 20%–30%. 

However, it is nitpicking, the point that measles in very poor countries has a high death rate is true.

here are my thoughts:

-i have no huge issues with vaccination in very poor areas where VPD are common. Some of the reason I am against vaccinations where I live is because i think the risks outweigh the benefits - that is not always the case

-offer the best vaccines you have - otherwise you are sloughing off crappy vaccines on poor people and that is wrong

-if a vaccine campaign is started, it needs to be continued.  There is undoubtable tribal knowledge on how to deal with diseases (ex: measles).  If that knowledge lapses due to a lower measles rate, there is a responsability to keep it up or risk a population who has a measles outbreak but has lost their previous knowledge on how to deal with it

-informed consent  - they have a right to it.

-We should work on sanitation and nutrition concurrently.  They are huge killers.  if i only had so much money, I am not sure if I would place my money in sanitation and nutrition or vaccination.  Vaccinations are easier, cheaper and save life now; sanitation and nutrition are harder to get a handle on, but are more important than vaccination if one can get a handle on them.

edited to add:  I have no idea why the paragraphs are going off the page.  i tried to fix it to no avail.  

Edited by kathymuggle - 2/1/12 at 6:11pm

[kathymuggle]

nm - tried to fix horrible formatting in last entry and failed!

 

Edited by kathymuggle - 2/1/12 at 12:49pm

[rachelsmama]

Originally Posted by kathymuggle 

-if a vaccine campaign is started, it needs to be continued.  There is undoubtable tribal knowledge on how to deal with diseases (ex: measles).  If that knowledge lapses due to a lower measles rate, there is a responsability to keep it up or risk a population who has a measles outbreak but has lost their previous knowledge on how to deal with it

The vaccines wear off too, so if the vaccines aren't continued, those people who were vaccinated as children will be vulnerable again as adults.
 

[miriam]

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Edited by miriam - 5/27/12 at 2:34pm

[Asiago]

Miriam, there was or perhaps is a theory that canine distemper virus may be related to MS. Your mention of these MS cases having pets made me think of something I had heard a while back. I recall hearing that rates were a bit higher among veterinary staffs and these people would be exposed to the live virus vaccine daily. It is also a vaccine with many cases of vaccine induced disease among various species. Of some interest perhaps, the canine distemper virus is related to the measles virus.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18657722

I was also reading that Bartonella, a bacteria transmitted through ticks and fleas, may be related to MS. Perhaps that also may be a reason for MS among veterinarians.

Edited by Asiago - 2/3/12 at 8:38am

[miriam]

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Edited by miriam - 5/27/12 at 2:33pm

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by miriam 

 One thing that all people with MS have is animal DNA in their bodies.  Wonder how that happened?  

What KIND of animal DNA to people with MS have? The kind that is in vaccines given to humans?  

A side note:  when my dog was given the canine pertussis vaccine (bordetella pertussis), which, by the way, can conceivably infect humans, I was instructed to hold his mouth shut while the vet tech applied the nasal mist (which is a live vaccine).  She did so successfully,  but before I had a chance to move, he sneezed it into MY nose.

Guess I've been vaccinated for bordetella.