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post #21 of 106

I've been no-poo for about 8 months now. I make my own shampoo with baking soda and water - 1 tablespoon baking soda to 1 cup water. I make my own conditioner from Bragg's Organic Apple Cider Vinegar - same ratio as the shampoo. It works wonders! My hair has never been happier and healthier. Best part is it's green and super cheap. 

post #22 of 106

What an interesting thread! I remember when I first heard of no poo and was always on the internet reading about people's experiences.

 

 

 

What type of hair do you and/or your family members have?

Thin and fine dark brown hair. 

 

How long have you been 'poo free?  What are the changes, if any, that you've noticed in your hair/scalp?

I've experimented with no poo for 2 years on and off. I didn't like how my hair was in the early months, and would occasionally use shampoo once every couple of months or so. I also started stretching out washes (used to shampoo daily). I've been poo free about 6 months now, and satisfied with my hair.

 

What is your no 'poo routine? 

I wash my hair 2-3x per week, using water-only, vinegar rinse, or tea rinse. I comb with a wide-tooth wooden comb. 

 

What "products" do you use? (baking soda, ACV, oils, lemon juice, etc. etc.) 

White vinegar rinse, green or black tea rinse

 

What gets rid of dandruff/flaky scalp?

I use vinegar when my scalp gets itchy. I'm still working on this one though. Would love to hear others' suggestions!!

 

 

What are people's reactions when they find out you are 'poo free?  Any funny stories to share?

I don't draw attention to it. Most people don't realize I don't use shampoo. In the early months, I got comments about my hair's greasiness.

 

post #23 of 106

I'm about 2 1/2 weeks into no poo. I have shoulder length, pretty thick, curly/wavy/frizzy hair. I am hoping to get rid of the frizz as I gradually quit coloring/highlighting my hair to cover the grey.

 

The first week or so I did baking soda/ACV every other day. The top layer is still frizzy and my hair is HUGE. (I have always had "big hair". No perm needed in the 80's, LOL)

 

The under layers are waxy and coated feeling. I haven't used anything but ACV on the ends in a week or so, but thinking I might need to do baking soda today. I just don't want to do it too much and make the transition to just water take forever. I'd rather just wear a hat!

 

I have a hair cut/color scheduled in a few days, though and I might just wait it out and baking soda the day of, so as not to gross out my stylist. I'll just ask her not to shampoo.

 

What I'm not sure about is: does she need shampoo to get the color out?

 

Any no poo-ers get their hair colored? I want to wean off (get less and less color until I am all salt and pepper). I just don't want a stripe at the roots. I really don't want the chemicals and I wonder how the color will affect my no-poo. Anyone have any ideas about the frizzy top layer and the effect of color? I get highlight and a color put on with foil, so it really doesn't touch my scalp.

 

I am hoping next week will be the turning point and my hair will look FABULOUS! Just scared abut the coloring.
 

post #24 of 106

I'm on my second week of no-poo. I just stopped with the backing soda because the ends of my hair looked way better (with just the ACV) than the roots and front. They just looked flat and dull. My hair feels heavy, weighed down but I've been putting conditioner in it daily after washing and tomorrow I won't. My hair is curly/wavy, shoulder length, dark (colored but not necessary) fine but lots of it. I have to at least rinse daily to get it to look human... it's huge.... anyhow, I think the bs dries out my hair and I've used product and a straightener for a long time. I can tell you that when I stopped bs, i just blow dried my  bangs straight and they stayed straight without the iron. My hair looks better, curly (I'm just accepting my head of curls - it's Me!!), like it did when I was in HS and big curly hair was in...

 

As far as reactions, I just moved to Holland and they are way behind us (in Colorado at least) as far as organic/natural. I've told two people and they just don't really get it that I don't  use shampoo. 

 

Please keep posting and abeliamama, I have the same with frizzy on top. This is better but still don't have my measurements right so keep posting how your transition goes.

 

I know this is going to be good. Just need to work out the details. Good luck and keep posting!

post #25 of 106
I'm just starting with the no poo. Normally I don't use products just shampoo and conditioner. I have long fine but lots of dark brown hair currently almost half way down my back. I washed my hair with baking soda and white vinegar the day before yesterday and today its still decent... not as clean but its not bad yet either. I may wash tonight though just so it doesn't bother me tomorrow. I'm really shocked and excited though that it seems to be working. My sis washed last night with her shampoo and my hair looks cleaner than hers... she's a little confused how that's possible LOL
post #26 of 106
Thread Starter 

Hi all, glad to see there is some interest in this thread!

 

My family is still going poo free (5 months now) and I'm still loving it.

 

My current routine is to rinse with water maybe 1 time per week, wash with ACV only 1 time per week, and wash with BS/ACB once every 2 weeks or so.  Cutting the BS down to every 2 weeks while still doing ACV every 1 week seems to have elmimated the flakes.  My DH, who has short, thinning hair, doesn't even use ACV or BS.  He doesn't seem to need to, water does the trick.  Same with DS, who is 23 months.

 

If I don't tell people, they'd never no I'm no poo.  My hair always looks clean, it just feels a bit "thicker" but not greasy on the day or two before I am due to no poo.  And, actually, I'd say it looks better because I have better volume and when I curl it now it actually holds a curl which is nice for a change!

post #27 of 106

Has anyone here ever used coconut milk (not oil) to wash their hair? I've seen a few recipes online mixing coconut milk and castille soap (for those who can't get over the lack of suds while no 'pooing) but I don't want to use castille soap in my hair. I'm considering trying just the coconut milk but I'm curious to know if anyone else has experience with this.

 

(I think I posted upthread about water only, which is working for me except that my hair is very dry and starts to frizz after awhile so I need some sort of oil/conditioner to help it along. I've been oiling it with avocado or apricot kernel oil and it's softer, but still frizzy. Conditioner only works, but I prefer single-ingredient or homemade to store-bought formulas for a variety of reasons...)

 

ETA: Just tried it to see... It's too oily -- I'm going to try cutting it with lemon juice next time, but still dont' want to resort to soap! Hoping someone here has a better idea...


Edited by swd12422 - 7/15/12 at 10:12am
post #28 of 106
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Originally Posted by swd12422 View Post

Has anyone here ever used coconut milk (not oil) to wash their hair? I've seen a few recipes online mixing coconut milk and castille soap (for those who can't get over the lack of suds while no 'pooing) but I don't want to use castille soap in my hair. I'm considering trying just the coconut milk but I'm curious to know if anyone else has experience with this.

 

(I think I posted upthread about water only, which is working for me except that my hair is very dry and starts to frizz after awhile so I need some sort of oil/conditioner to help it along. I've been oiling it with avocado or apricot kernel oil and it's softer, but still frizzy. Conditioner only works, but I prefer single-ingredient or homemade to store-bought formulas for a variety of reasons...)

 

ETA: Just tried it to see... It's too oily -- I'm going to try cutting it with lemon juice next time, but still dont' want to resort to soap! Hoping someone here has a better idea...

 

I tried coconut milk shampoo; it was a major fail.  I was impossible to distribute through all of my hair and didn't rinse well and looked greasy/goopy.  But my hair is difficult to please; it's super super fine but very thick and gets weighted down easily.

 

When I lived in San Francisco I no 'pooed for about 8 months and loved it.  Then I moved back to TX and all of a sudden everything went wrong.  My hair always felt coated and I noticed a film on my scalp building up.  I finally figured out that it was the hard water; baking soda cannot dissolve in hard water.  So you end up basically dumping it on your head and leaving it there because it can't rinse out.  The only fix I saw was to add baking soda to boiling water, and that helped to some degree but not completely (plus it was a major pain).

 

I didn't want to go back to regular shampoo and conditioner, so what I've settled on is using Grandma's Natural soap (ingredients: lard, lye, water) with an ACV rinse.  I LOVE that soap - it lathers incredibly well despite being surfactant-free (I've read that tallow/lard soaps lather much better than olive oil soaps), doesn't weight anything down.  My natural hair texture comes through (it's slightly wavy but conventional conditioner makes it stick straight), and it has done wonders for my skin as well.  I used to have to slather myself in lotion, and now I don't have to at all.  It's very gentle soap.

post #29 of 106

What type of hair do you and/or your family members have? I had dry, VERY fine, stick straight naturally dishwater blonde but dyed brown hair before I started no-pooing. After no pooing, it's thick, not frizzy, kinda wavy, and a medium reddish brown that is actually natural. My son has thick strawberry blonde hair, but he's water-only, and my husband has really thick bristly hair (he'd die before giving up his shampoo, but at least he agrees with me on what chem-made deoderants and colognes do to the body lol).

 

How long have you been 'poo free? What are the changes, if any, that you've noticed in your hair/scalp? Since about February. My scalp isn't nearly as sensitive, and my hair doesn't fall out of every style I put it in. Actually, it hardly falls out at all.

 

What is your no 'poo routine? I wash every other day because I work at a Wendy's and come home covered in grease. The days in between I only rinse really well, which suprisingly gets rid of the fast-food funk. 

 

What "products" do you use? (baking soda, ACV, oils, lemon juice, etc. etc.) I have a tub of baking soda paste with tea tree oil that I use for hair/face/body, and a mix of 1/4 ACV and 3/4 strong black tea (pomegranite black tea, I noticed the pomegranite helps camoflauge the vinegar smell while it's drying) in a honey bear bottle for "conditioner" that I refill about every couple of weeks.

 

What gets rid of dandruff/flaky scalp? True dandruff is actually a fungus from what I know, and the ACV (with maybe a couple of drops of tea tree oil) should remedy that. If it's just dry flaky for some reason, I would look at how well dilluted the lemon juice is if you use it or how frequently you use it, if you just use soda as with this being a strong base it could be throwing off the PH of your skin, or just use a coconut oil mask once a week (rub a small dollop in, let sit for a bit, and soda/ACV or lemon juice out). If you leave it in, unless you are one of those trully blessed people, it can make your hair look really oily.

 

What are your recipes, if any? Whatever I feel like doing with my soda/ACV that day! Sometimes I'll put in a few drops of essential oil, sometimes I do just water with my ACV or green tea.

 

How often do you use the various "products"? Every other day, coconut oil mask on the rare occasion I have to use regular shampoo.

 

Do you ever wash your hair? (When it gets cut, if it gets really dirty with dirt or smoke, etc.) If so, do you have to start from square 1? I haven't really had to since I quit smoking, but if I'm in a room with a lot of smokers the soda/ACV is usually enough to deoderize.

 

What are people's reactions when they find out you are 'poo free? Any funny stories to share? Usually I get the "hippie" treatment- I get a wierd look for a few seconds, someone usually mutters "hippie" or "tree-hugger", then they go about their business. The last time I went in to get my hair cut, I had just washed my hair and it still kinda smelled like vinegar, but was clean. The girl started running her fingers through my hair and said "Do you need a wash? By the way, your hair is really pretty." I thanked her and said, "No, it's okay, I just washed it." She asked me what I used, so I told her. She jumped back like I suddenly turned into Medusa and asked why I don't use shampoo and conditioner. I said it was because I don't like all of the chemicals and I have some health issues that require certain things be cut out, and she promptly started suggesting many tonics and soaps and God knows what else from their shop, saying they were all natural of course. She insists on trying one on me and I let her, only to start itching later. I took a look at the "natural" products she was offering, and the amount of parabens and sulfates (two things I can't use) jumping off the bottles were scary.

 

Anyone want to share pictures of their 'poo free hair? I hate having my picture taken, so no.

post #30 of 106

I'd like to make the switch to 'no poo', however I've been bleaching/dying my hair red since I was 16. My hair is typically dry, and my scalp is oily. Can anyone give me some suggestions? Should I go 'no poo' or does my hair need a little more love?

post #31 of 106

Try conditioner-only "shampooing" first. Instead of shampoo, wash your hair with conditioner and maybe use a lighter, leave-in conditioner after you rinse if your hair is super dry. Do that as a transition, then when you feel your hair is in good shape (could take a few months and a haircut or two) I'd try going to water-only.

 

FTR, I went from shampoo/conditioner/tons of product to BS/ACV to water only to conditioner. Water only works well for me, but my hair seems kinda greasy, which I actually like b/c it's so dry and frizzy, except that I prefer my hair to feel "cleaner." So I use a leave-in conditioner to shampoo my hair and then leave some in on days it seems like it needs a little more help. I'm considering switching back to water only, or finding a recipe for homemade conditioner (anyone?) b/c I don't like spending $$ on chemicals I'm doing all this to avoid to begin with. But I also would like my hair to look decent now and then....

post #32 of 106
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MommyRaven View Post

 

What "products" do you use? (baking soda, ACV, oils, lemon juice, etc. etc.) I have a tub of baking soda paste with tea tree oil that I use for hair/face/body, and a mix of 1/4 ACV and 3/4 strong black tea (pomegranite black tea, I noticed the pomegranite helps camoflauge the vinegar smell while it's drying) in a honey bear bottle for "conditioner" that I refill about every couple of weeks.

 

MommyRaven, does the pomegranite tea add color to your hair?  I'm pretty happy with my natural hair color but wonder about adding something to my no 'poo routine that would just give it a nice "extra".

 

For fragrance, I use a few drops of rosemary essential oil in my ACV.  I love how it smells!

post #33 of 106

I have been shampoo free since I found out I was pregnant with my first. That's when I started researching wholesome and natural living, and I decided to live as close to as nature intended for me as I could. My hair is lovely! I have very long, dark, thick hair and it has never looked better since I stopped using shampoo. When other women complain about frizz or their hair not behaving in certain types of weather, I have a hard time not going overboard singing the praises of no shampoo! I used to do a baking soda and ACV wash every few months, but I don't even do that anymore. I only put my fingers in my hair once a week because I was to disturb my sebaceous glands as little as possible. We were meant to live this way, ladies!

post #34 of 106
In reply to the response to my follicular damage question, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't know whether or not those before us who never used hair care products had follicular damage, something like that may have just been attributed to old age or something. Nevertheless I still luv no pooing even tho the thought of follicular damage remains in my head cuz of what my hairdresser said. I don't have an issue with hair loss and I've been no poo now since April. I tried the bs and found too much dust in my hair from it so I'm sticking to no poo with the occasional shampoo with an aloe shampoo to rid the chunks of sebum buildup I get. I was thinking of getting a boar brush to see if it helps with the dePosits. Any comments on boar brushes?
post #35 of 106

Has anyone had a total no-poo failure?  I have very thick dark blond wavy hair that falls just above my shoulders, and I'm so sad that poo freedom isn't working for me.

 

Here's my tale:  I usually only washed every 2-3 days with shampoo, so about 3.5 weeks ago I simply did a BS scrub of the scalp in lieu of the shampoo and skipped the conditioner.  The results were not awesome, but I'd been reading up on this so I figured I'd see a tough transition period, and didn't fret.  A few days later I tried BS again, and ACV rinse, with worse results.  Again, I thought this was probably part of the transition period and struggled through it.  After 2 weeks of this I started getting concerned.  My hair felt awful, like I had a ton of styling product in it.  And it looked awful.  Darker, stiff and frizzy.  When I wore it up, it would practically hold it's shape even after I removed the elastic.  My scalp felt itchy, it was taking 2x as long to air dry and if I ever did blow dry it, my hands would feel coated in a film after running it through the damp hair.

 

I did some more reading and thinking, and it didn't add up.  The poor results I was seeing were not greasy roots, which is the main issue cited during the transition phase.  My trouble was that my hair seemed more and more dull, and kinda dry, no matter what I did.  When I moved my head, the hair seemed to move as a whole unit, instead of flowing as it once did.  I finally determined that the BS (and probably ACV) were not rinsing out properly.  So, on my next "washing" I tried rinsing for even longer than usual; this helped a little, but it was not even close to feeling clean.  

 

I gave up this morning and used shampoo again.  Not much, and not on the scalp, but it feels SO much better.  I can run my hands through my damp or dry hair without them getting stuck or feeling a film after.  It moves again.  I didn't use conditioner, so it kind of feels a little dry or brittle, and it doesn't look as smooth as it used to before I started changing my routine, but overall I feel so much better, like I don't have stuff sitting on my head/hair.

Have you ever heard of this!?  It's such a bummer because I would love nothing more than to be without shampoo.  I am sure that with time I can just go to the true no-poo routine of just water rinses, but I would like something to soften my hair.  Any thoughts?

post #36 of 106

You just described what I went through, only my scalp was a bit greasy but my hair was dry and brittle.

 

My "greasy" scalp did feel greasy, but after a few weeks it was apparent. I essentially had "buildup" at my roots even though I wasn't using any product. I thought I was going gray (I'm in my 40s, so that would make sense) but it turned out that it was just dull. The itchy scalp lasted a LONG time for me. I didn't realize at the time that that's one of the "symptoms" you have to endure during the transition; I thought I had allergy problems and was even more determined not to use shampoo b/c of that.

 

At this point, I'd switch to water only or conditioner only. Water only is NOT "just water rinses" -- That's what I thought, too, and couldn't figure out why it still wasn't working for me. I switched hair dressers to one who actually supports conditioner only hair care and she "washed" my hair with conditioner. I couldn't believe how hard she was scrubbing and rubbing my scalp. She said that especially if you're doing water only (no conditioner, as I had told her I was doing) you NEED to massage your scalp pretty vigorously to loosen up any grime and get the blood circulation to your hair follicles to keep them healthy. She said you need to rub "hard enough that you feel your skin move along your skull." But of course, no fingernails, just the pads of your fingertips so you don't scratch yourself.

 

It has been working much better for me, and I actually switched to conditioner only for a few months b/c that seemed to work the best. I was using a leave-in conditioner that is lighter than regular conditioner so it wouldn't weigh my hair down, but I don't want to have to buy any hair product so I'm trying to get off that now. I use lemon juice to shampoo every now and then to clean my hair and brighten it up, but I'd love to find a homemade conditioner recipe that I can use instead of shampoo that doesn't come with the instruction to shampoo afterward.

post #37 of 106

My day of magic has finally arrived! I was ready to give up on WO washing until I read your post about brushing with a wooden bristle brush and wide tooth wooden comb. I had both, but had read that a natural bristle brush was the way to go. No so for my hair. What also didn't work for my hair was baking soda and vinegar. I lost more hair with that method than I did at the salon during my hair cuts. Anyway, after washing and towel drying my hair, the waxy feel is there but you wouldn't believe the curls I have. In fact, the waxiness sets my curls in place the way gel would. I brush my hair before washing it and then comb it in the shower under both hot and cold water. That's it. This makes for a healthier head and definitely easier while travelling.

 

I also haven't used soap for about six years. All I used is a wash cloth and scrub. Even after gardening, my calloused feet come clean. I no longer need to worry about allergic reactions to soaps or lotions and my eczema has cleared up completely.

 

As for washing my face, I use a warm wash cloth before bed and and tepid water rince in the morning. I've also no need for moisturizer on my face since the sebum from washing my hair gets on my face creating a natural moisturizer.

 

Our ancestors had it right all those years ago! I will never go back to shampoo or soap of any kind. Thanks for sharing your tips on the wooden bristle brush. I've had one for many years, but didn't really know the benefits to using it. All I can say is don't give up.

post #38 of 106
How often do you do that? What type of hair do you have, how long have you been doing it, and where do you live (state)?
Thanks!
post #39 of 106
How often do you do that? What type of hair do you have, how long have you been doing it, and where do you live (state)?
Thanks!
post #40 of 106

Anybody still around here? 2whistle.gif  Any updates, tips?

 

I've been meaning to start the no 'poo routine for ages, but I'm finally on a roll!  I usually wash every day (out of habit - my hair is dry, and I never have time to condition with a high needs toddler, who screams as if I'm abandoning him, even if he's in the bathroom/bathtub with me! rolleyes.gif).  I also have not been good at brushing every day...BUT I just bought a new boar's bristle brush (think I may need the reinforced kind for thick hair) and I last washed with "natural" shampoo on Saturday.  Starting to get a bit waxy at the roots, so I may try the cocoa trick soon (awesome idea for my dark hair!).  I also am trying to massage my scalp when I wash with water - thanks for that tip!  

 

Will probably do BS/ACV in another day or two...

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