Oh and I thought I would share this article with you all as my DH so kindly shared it with me:
Oh and I thought I would share this article with you all as my DH so kindly shared it with me:
Well I fnally heard from my RE .... Looks like I have a .44 AMH level.... She said its consistant with my age :-/ and not bad.... they like to see a 1 ... But she said she suggest doing a iui sooner rather than later ( WELL DUHHHHHH) I asked about ivf and she said that will give me a better shot but she thinks I should at least try one round of IUI with them first. Soooo IUI next cycle .... Unless of course I am blessed this month with a free baby HAHAHAHAHA ok sorry had to laugh at myself ( nothing is ever that easy) ..
Gtree: OMG OMG OMG I am soooo excited for you!!!! yayayayayayayayayayay!!!! ( I LOVE sushi) I wish it was healthy for you while you were pregnant!!
SKJ: Pickles?? good sign LOL ... I have been trying really hard to remain stress free... ( not working too well) I find myself crying a lot easier, getting angrier easier, But I am working out more and that help!! it really does... I am going to buy myself a new ipod this week and just put only feel good music on it, maybe that will help... haha I am stressing out on how to be stress free UGH
Bebe: have you tested? You and Gtree are going to get pregnant !! I feel it!!!
Indie: we both must have posted at the same time LOL ... and we both have Loads of ewcm... Hopefully we both get pregnant lol... what was your AMH level? My RE ( or the nurse ) said she thinks I need to hurry and get pregnant cause of my age GEEEEZ I am 39 .... makes me feel like a old lady!! :-(
Toothfairy: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, TO YOU! I'm trying to remember what I was doing at 27 . . . wow, I sound like an old lady, haha! Well I hope it was a very happy day, because I know how much you deserve it! I'll let you know how my NaPro appt goes . . . I'm very hesitant about the whole thing but also hopeful. I was researching their success rates a bit, and they are pretty impressive!
SKJ: Yeah, the natural way makes me happy, but I do not know if it's going to work. I may just need the big guns! I'm not Catholic -- I more consider myself Christian, or just one that believes in God with rather unstructured beliefs, but honestly, should it matter anyway? If you want a baby and want to do things with as little intervention as possible, I'm pretty sure they are going to be supportive. So maybe worth a try for you, too? Although I guess none are near you anyway . . . there are actually only two docs near me and they are both in the same practice. That's a really good question about diminishing reserves when you clearly ovulate every month . . . it really shouldn't matter, right? As long as there is one egg escaping into your tubes each month, it should be plenty. So hmm, I don't have a good response to this. I guess if nothing else it should encourage you to just keep trying. Dr. Sami David does do phone consults I'm told, so perhaps I'll consider this, too. Who knows, he may not be good at all, but I like his book anyway, and the approach of exploring everything before going to IVF. I'm not opposed to IVF, I just am completely nervous about putting all my eggs in one basket, literally! I'm just not that lucky. I find your pickle craving very interesting!!!! Maybe you won't need that phone consult after all ;)
Gtree: DH and I talk about moving back to Manhattan all the time. Miss it so much! I'll let you know if we find ourselves back in the city for either a visit or a permanent move! That's so great that you can work from home this week, especially with how you are feeling! Can't wait to get the next update!
Shell: Sadly, I'm not pregnant :( How are you feeling about things today? We all need some hope.
Indie: So speaking of Vit D, have you had yours tested? I was deficient after living in Connecticut and NY for a few years, and it's very slow going to get it back up.
AFM: Started spotting today . . . not pregnant. Wahhhh! But alright, here we go . . . I'm going to see my new acupuncturist on Thursday, and see the NaPro on Saturday . . . here's wishing for some hopeful news and a new plan. DH is all geared up for a lot of BDing!
Toothfairy - HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! i hope you have a fantastic mini vacation! where you guys going? i actually never had my vitamin d tested... i know if i were to ask the RE office they would look at me cross-eyed. they just don't seem to pay attention to that stuff at all. i just thought it was interesting about the vitamin d connection, goes to show that amh is not such a end all/be all number. there are other factors that influence it and it does fluctuate based on what i see from trolling the internet. however, i do still think i have diminished ovarian reserve - but i question the super super low number. i am supplementing with vit d regardless. as far as you getting your amh tested... i'm not sure if it would be helpful to do so? i mean, it would be great and reassuring to see it come back "normal" but if it is isn't, you seem to already be doing what you would need to do if it was low, you know what i mean? i would think you may fit into the diminished ovarian reserve category based on having had endo on your ovaries (like me) and only producing one follicle when you were on injectables. but it doesn't matter as much since you aren't going the ART route anyway. DOR just means you don't respond as well to high stimulation and thus makes your chances of success with IVF lower. i don't know... knowledge is usually power but i don't know that having the exact number would change what you are doing? as far as cm... my most prolific day was cd11. yesterday (cd 12) i still had ewcm but much less. i did take a lot of expectorant in hopes that what little i had would help our bd session last night. so far today i haven't noticed any. i haven't gone looking for it, but it's definitely not like it was two days ago. bah. i hate that i missed the chance to bd on my best day :( i'm not doing opks this cycle. i'm just waiting for my tell tale sign of O'ing - sore bladder. today is cd 13 and no sore bladder yet.
skj - i feel like i have missed some of you posts... pickle cravings??? oh man, i hope that means something. as far as DOR and ovulation... my doc did say that you can have an ovulatory looking chart but that doesn't mean you actually released an egg. i guess that's the reason for having an ovulation aide to ensure that an egg is being recruited? i don't know. i feel like i am just pulling together bits and pieces of information and trying to synthesize it the best i can.
bebe - can't wait to hear about your napro appt. i would be concerned about the religious aspect as well... i consider myself to be very spiritual but i am open to just about any avenue that leads to a baby and wouldn't want that to be "looked down upon" but it sounds like that doesn't happen. i do love what napro is all about and am hopeful that the rest of the medical community will embrace it.
hope everyone else is doing well. i am back in town and catching up so i should be able to keep up with posts better now...
afm: cd13, no O yet. wondering if i will O. we did get a very sleepy bd in late last night. i'm not feeling like this will be our month but i am really hoping next month will be it. i'm a little nervous about how much i am banking on next month.
so, this is really sweet and i had to share... i came home last night to a partially furnished and decorated baby room! my dh (have i told you guys how much i love him? i love him) surprised me with a crib and changing table and winnie the pooh items (i've been saying i want to do the baby room like the 100 acre wood) and oh my goodness, it's so cute. i would have never had the guts to do that pre-baby but i'm so glad he did! just one more message to the universe... We. Are. Ready.
Shell - Really hope you get that baby this month!
Bebe - Hope the acupuncturist and NaPro appointments go great!
Tooth - Hope you had a great birthday and have fun on your mini vaycay!!!
Indie - So sweet of your dh to do that and surprise you with it. Such an awesome man!
Afm - doubt this is our month. We got into a massive argument around cd13 and didn't make up or have make up sex until cd15. I had a heaviness/painful feeling all through cd 13/14 and then it went away. Dunno if I o'ed then or not.
I am having the worst ovary pains this month... all day yesterday and today MAJOR tugging and pulling ... I didn't even want to get out of bed :-( and lots of ewcm for 3 day's .... I think I am finally starting to dry up. all my pain is on my right side... UGH I am so mad at myself for letting this month go with no meds or iui >:-I .... I just knew I would ovulate on my right side!! I just hope DH's little swimmers swam good and straight and at least 1 make it!!! I'm scared to spend so much money on injectables for next cycle now, cause what if I ovulate on my left? eeeerrrgggg This is frusterating...
I am at work , but I am in a lot of pain... I think I may just go home and crawl into bed ... cd 15 here... I usually start af on cd 25 so 10 more day's till I find out!!
Chrissy: Thank You I hope I get a free baby too... I am doubtful though... I am sorry you and DH had a argument :-(
Indie: your DH sounds a lot like mine... so sweet and thoughtful!! :-) You will get your baby soon... that little girl or guy will be a spoiled little baby ;-) giggles so will mine!! :-)
Toothfairy: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!! whoo hoo :-) :-) :-) maybe you will get that bfp for your birthday present :-)
Bebe : I am sorry :-( I am glad DH is all ready though lol ... Le tme know how you like your new acupuncturist... I miss mine... I will be going back next cycle.
SKJ: well that sounds hopefull... I wish I could get pregnant on clomid and a IUI that sounds a lot cheaper than injectables lol
chrissy - bummer about the fight with dh. although it is inevitable that fights pop up, i sure do hate going through them. here's hoping you hit the fertile window in spite of yourselves!
shell - i hope the pain has let up... is it common for you to have ovulation pain that strong? i like what skj said about injectibles increasing your odds of ovulating on both sides! that's great news!
skj - i totally know what you mean about getting your hopes up in the second week of the 2ww. i am always so proud of myself for staying sane during the 2ww until the second week comes around and then my hopes fill up with helium. as far as ovulatory charts and no ovulation... i think it's more accurately ovulating a follicle without releasing an egg. apparently you can have the same rise in progesterone (since progesterone is produced by the corpus luteum which is the remainder of the follicle) even if the follicle didn't contain an egg. so that would explain ovulation pain, technically it's still ovulation, it's just not necessarily releasing an egg. from what i've read, it seems that is why the estrodiol number is so important around ovulation. if the estrodiol is low it can indicate a poor quality egg or no egg. i had always thought estrodiol was just predicting quality of lining but apparently not. again, this is just information i have gathered for myself so don't take it as gospel. i have had very little by way of explanation from my RE so i am left to my own devices. but it does make sense as to why it would take so much longer for someone with a diminished reserve to get pregnant...
afm: cd14, no sign of ovulation but also no sign of ewcm. we'll see what tomorrow brings...
everyone else (sherry! greenmum! charley?!) thinking of you all...
Toothfairy, thanks for all the great info! I'm excited to see how it goes. I had a good acupuncture session tonight, so I feel like this next visit will be just what I need to get on track. Have a GREAT vacation!!! Looking forward to hearing back from you when you are home. I hope you enjoy every minute!
Indie, omg your DH sounds like the cutest! What a sweet thing to do, wow. You should take a picture to share! It would be inspiring. Speaking of inspiring, I think I'm going to do my manifestation box this weekend. :) I miss being on the same CD as you! Good luck with Oing soon! :)
Chrissy, aww sorry about the argument with DH. I do understand and hate when that happens at just the wrong time. I forget, do you temp? Well, I hope you didn't O then and it's just around the corner!
Shell, maybe all the pain means a nice big O! A really powerful one that means business. :) Sorry for all the pain though!! Hopefully you can take it nice and easy this weekend and recoup!
SKJ, I think we all do it. It's just about impossible to get not my hopes up anymore, even if I just know that it's not likely given one reason or another. You're not alone. Come on Tuesday!!!
AFM: I had my new acupuncture appt tonight; it went pretty well. The acupuncturist is a little, well, acupuncturist-y, if that makes sense, but hey, if her magic can help get DH and me pregnant, then yay! I'm not terribly excited about the $1000 it will cost me over the next three months, but then again, that's less than one month of injectables! So, back on herbs, but a totally different formula. She actually wants me to relax about some things . . . don't worry so much about the caffeine restriction; a small cup is fine, one small glass of wine a night is fine, eat wholesome foods, mostly warm, no iced water/really cold foods, limit supplements to a daily prenatal, fish oil, Omega 3 (although I'm still going to take just a few more than that) . . . it was good, kind of helped me to relax a bit because it's so easy to take 50 supplements a day and completely deprive myself of all the things that otherwise keep me sane because I start believing that without doing so I won't get pregnant. Well, if that were true, I wouldn't have a million friends with kids! So here's hoping . . . NaPro on Sat!
skj - very interesting abstract. i like what it says about individualization of stimming protocol. i think this might be why my RE and his nurse have both been pretty nonchalant about the low AMH level. as much as i wish they were so much better at communicating and educating, i can say they at least haven't been alarmist and haven't pushed me towards donor eggs or anything like what i've heard a lot of REs tend to do with a low AMH. and after he told me that he sees better success with cutting the lowest dose of clomid in half verses upping the dosage (and after i've seen my response to that cycle) i am feeling a little more confident in his thought process. though, still, i would love to get a hold of his office and train them on service and communication. of course, that is what i do for a living so i am hyper sensitive to their poor (or lack of) explanation.
as far as the estradiol connection, it's the level of estradiol on day of trigger that tends to be telling about quality of egg or lack of egg. of course, from what i've read, even if it is in the correct range it is not a guarantee that there is a quality egg present in the follicle, but it is one of the better indicators. i think that's why even if we are ovulating on our own, it's helpful to be on clomid or femara or the like. not that we have to be, but it helps our chances of there actually being an egg to fertilize.
i am no longer temping, though i found it enormously helpful in teaching me about my cycle. i have learned that i have a very specific tell of when i have O'd - for about 12 to 24 hours around/after O I have a bruised feeling/soreish bladder (probably just referred "pain"). i don't always feel O pains but i do get this symptom consistently. last night i had both O pains and then the bladder symptom this morning so i do believe i O'd last night.
bebe - i laughed about your acupuncturist being very acupuncture-y. that is rather pricey, but you are right... cheaper than injectables! i'm glad you got permission to relax a little on your restrictions. i know that feeling of thinking if you don't do everything just right you will never get pregnant. i just remind myself that i was drinking loads of coffee, not watching my alcohol intake, and wasn't taking so much as a prenatal when i got pregnant the first time. same as many, many women. obviously, i am way more fit for pregnancy now and want to keep it that way, but i'm not going to freak out about restricting everything all the time. i wish it were saturday already. i want to hear every detail of your appointment!
afm: like i said in my post to skj, i'm sure i O'd last night. i had O pains on both sides, oddly enough. and then my typical post O symptom. i doubt that i did O from both sides being that i only took femara this cycle. anyway, this cycle i confirmed what i sorta already knew but didn't quite pay attention to... i don't have much in way of cm on day of O. my super abundant ewcm day was on Monday, and then Tuesday and Wednesday there was ewcm present but much less, and then Thursday, day of O, it was not present at all. nonetheless, i am entering into my favorite stretch of every cycle. that glorious week where i no longer have to stress about cm and waiting to O, we can bd just for the fun of it, and i'm too early in the 2ww to have a reason to obsess. YAY! love this time of the month.
Just a quick note before friends get here . . . I had my NaPro Tech appt today, and overall is went well. The doctor is a little strange, but hey, much like acupuncture-y acupuncturist, whatever works! He wants me to start several products to increase my CM, and start Creighton charting. I had to call and schedule an appt with a particular person to learn it, and she said that we have to abstain from intercourse for the entire first month of charting? Um, why? Toothfairy, did you have to do this? I'm not sure that's even possible, and I really don't want to miss out a month of trying! Also, he is not going to order all the tests he wants to order until my 3rd month of charting -- Toothfairy, that wasn't the case with you, right? His recommendation for me is an ovarian wedge resection, but with my very mild form of PCOS, I'm hugely skeptical. I like his recommendations and all the special tests he wants to do, but on the other hand the whole surgical side of it, which I doubt is necessary, seems a little premature to me. Hmm. I'm going to think this all over . . . DH wasn't buying what he was selling so to speak, and was a bit offended when he said that some people just aren't given this gift from God and if that's the case for me that I would have to make peace with it. I do understand his point, but DH's point was then why does God give all those drug-addicted, neglectful women babies aplenty?! Good point and I have no idea. I do believe it's a gift from God, but I really don't know how to reconcile the rest of it. I don't know what to do . . .
On a totally different topic -- we're adopting a puppy!!!! I'll send pictures once we have her :) Happy weekend, everyone! xoxo