Taking the Scenic Route...to a BFP - Page 42

[Shell77]

Hi All... I have been lurking... so I am 6 or 7 DPO .. YAWWWN ... sore breast ( not too bad though) , a few mild twinges down below , super weepy ... Other than that I got nothing... My temp is not that high... I do have a question though ... do ya'll think I should be taking my progesterone supplements? I mean I always start my AF right on time even when i am using them... oh well any thoughts? I am also thinking of just doing the clomid and iui this cycle... thoughts?

anyway sorry for the AFM first...

Gtree: YAYAYYAYAYA I am so excited ... i just know this is going to work... i am so excited for you ... I really want to do IVF I wish I had 15000.00 just laying around OR insurance UGH

SKJ: i would go with your gut on that too and not pay for the beta... Sorry for AF I hope you get good timing next month :-)

Toothfairy: yaaay for good signs !!!! If I ever make it past 10 dpo I will know I am pregnant .. I am like clock work every 25 days 10 dpo

Indie: awwww Post pic's of your new little puppy... Sorry its all rainy and miserable there... I love rainey day's so I wish we would get some more lol

So Bebe and Sherry must be lurking ... come say HI :-)

well... My baby started 7th grade today :-( I can't believe it!! where has the time gone? I hope I have the opportunity to raise 1 more!!

[toothfairy2be]

Ohhh SKJ I totally misread your post & missed the 'last month' part of getting AF after you stopped the crinone! Sorry! I wouldnt go for the beta... i didn't go to my last beta (back in march) because I was already spotting. No use rubbing salt in your wounds. I hope they 'll give you a different med to try. Sneak in one more O around your travel!

Bebe- puppy come home yet?? What kind did you adopt?

Shelly- you are right behind me! I think it depends how much progesterone they ave you on. For example, before surgery, on endometrin 100 2x day and prometrium 200 2x a day I didnt start AF or have any spotting, AF started 2 days after stopping on both, when I used the Prometrium 200 just 1x a day I had spotting and AF started the day after stopping. After surgery I've only been on prometrium 200 1x a day and had no spotting, so far this cycle i'm using endometrin 100 1x a dy ( just using whatever I've got at home) and so far no spotting. So there should be a formula that works for you. Crinone is supposed to be the best but it was super expensive with my insurance ($13 a day!). I'd say with a 10 day LP it can 't hurt to supplement esp since implantation is most likely 8-12 dpo. I hope this is your month anyway, so far all signs are good for you!!

[SKJ2011]

Shell - Here's hoping for a few more days and a BFP!!!

AFM - AF showed up last night. I canceled my beta and scheduled my baselines for tomorrow. Then, I've got the appointment with the RE after.

[sherryvhkb]

hi everyone.

Happy Belated Toothfairy,

Sorry- i have been reading along...so much is going on by the time i read up i don't have time to post.  I am happily in the office this afternoon so i can actually take a computer break here!!!

GTREE!!!!!!! OMG I AM SOOOOO EXCITED FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...and sooooo jealous!!! AND WHATs it all feel like?  real?  you actually have 17 babies growing!!! i feel faint..how many are you "putting back in" ????

Bebe- that kind of sucks....i don't need to tell you...not all providers give the same quality.  and hmmmm...about all that---I'm with DH

Indie- i am rain jealous!!! I am ready for sweaters and crunchy leaves and apple cider,,,etc.  How did you get so far ahead of me?  I am cd 18 and 2-3 dpo.  I am feeling that obsession sinking back in.....argh! 

Ms Chrissy keep up the optimism...whats with the spider? haha i had to ask.

Oh shell...I know what you mean....it feels like years start for me in september. and yeah I am watching these kids grow and wishing they had a little one coming along behind them.

skj- sorry-

Ms. D- good to see you!!!!!!

Jeeze i still wonder about Charley  :-(

afm:  back in nyc for the past 10 days..counting down to the move..We will head out sept 5th for a school start of Sept 6th.  The house STILL isn' closed...all those things you hear about buying a foreclosure are true.  So we will be in the apartment for awhile yet.  I am crocheting baby things like mad----i somehow hope it will soak in that this little guy is coming.  It's not real yet and i worry that i am not feeling excitment or attachment...I decided to make a baby sweater for us...in pink...I dreamed of DH holding a new baby girl about the time I o'd.  I have never actually done that...i was thinking no it's a boy, but then i realized it was ours...haha..I think I o'd 2-3 days ago.  If so we hit it with the timing.  so fingers crossed...on the other hand...i got to reading statistics and my chances are so slim...I am really trying not to get wrapped up in the obsession again.  I am going to start on triplet sweaters and booties for gtree!

SO: 11/3/12 is our one year anniversary (my DD due date).  The begining of the clomid thread that led to this one.  I feel like we should celebrate--any ideas?  I know that one of the threads sent around a fertility doll- and people added things- but i know many of us prefer to be anonymous...

so i am 2-3 dpo and plan to test the morning before we leave.  11-12 dpo....i know that is kind of stupid as a bfn will compound my super sadness before a long leaving dh drive....and a bfp would stress me the heck out as i will be away and need immeadiate betas and scans for ectopic...ah well. 

Happy Tuesday! post!

[indie1976]

so nice to hear from you, sherry! sorry you are dealing with foreclosure hell. i love the idea of sending around something in honor of our "anniversary". i'm down, yo! of course, i'm also down with having a retreat at your house in the woods! campfires and apple cider! loved that you had a dream about dh holding a baby girl... let's hope it was prophetic!

skj - looking forward to hearing about your RE appointment.

afm - my baby brother left for marine corps bootcamp today. he's 18 years old (i was 17 when he was born!) - i am just so proud of him and how hard he has worked to get to this point. apparently he had a good cry with my mom and dad before he left. he has been working towards this all through high school in ROTC and I just know he will make a career out of the military. such a talented and dedicated guy. it's my parent's youngest child so they are going to have quite an adjustment as well. so lots of mixed emotions for everyone. pride and sadness. all the stuff that goes along with any big transition.

i just came across this discussion with a doc on the SIRM boards about endometriosis and infertility. lots of info to digest. makes me wonder if i should be concerned about natural killer cells even with having had surgery to remove endo? toothfairy - has your doc talked with you about NKC? why do i always find one more thing to obsess over?? :)

[indie1976]

this is particularly interesting:

Endometriotic implants produce a toxic “peritoneal factor”

As mentioned above, toxins that impair fertilization are present in the peritoneal secretions of most patients with endometriosis. Impaired fertilization is a feature of endometriosis regardless of its severity. This explains why women with endometriosis are three times less likely to conceive per month of trying and why procedures such as intrauterine insemination do not increase the chances of pregnancy over no treatment at all. It also explains why in vitro fertilization (which relies upon removing eggs through aspiration of the ovarian follicles before they can be affected by peritoneal toxins), by bypassing this handicap improves pregnancy rates dramatically and accordingly is the treatment of choice for most endometriosis patients with infertility.

(i am responsible for the bold type) i'm still not clear if this is considered true even after endo has been removed? but it does strengthen my resolve to stay on l-carnitine (per this study)

damn endometriosis.

[SKJ2011]

Indie - Thanks for that. It seems that due to my age, surgery is not thought to be worthwhile. I've had two clear saline ultrasounds, so I'm fairly confident I don't have something going on in my uterus. I'm hoping that maybe acupuncture can help.

As for the immune stuff, have you had any tests? Is it as easy to find out as a blood test? If so, seems worthwhile, right? I keep wondering how all this stuff fits with my first pg and my m/c. I guess I just need to have faith that if it worked before, it can work again, right?

Congrats to your brother! That's so amazing and inspirational. What an emotional time for your family. Thanks to him for serving our country.

Sherry - Ooh! Your dream sounds very promising!

[SKJ2011]

Indie - we x-posted. What dosage do you take of the L-carnitine? Can it hurt if I don't have endo? I upped my Myo-Inositol this month and am going to do melatonin with it. What's one more supplement

[indie1976]

skj - i take l-carnitine 3xs a day but i will have to look at the dosage when i get home. i want to say they come in 500mg tablets. i just googled side effects and one was a "fishy" body odor... ACK. haha. i have not experiecned this. i tried to get my dh to take it since it is supposed to do wonders for sperm health but he says it gave him headaches (he is prone to migraines) i have not had that as a side effect myself.

i am going to call my oh-so-helpful (sarcasm) RE's office to ask about testing for natural killer cells. i have a feeling they are going to stay with their standard protocol of three failed IUIs and then discuss IVF (and do natural killer cell testing at that time)... actually, i'm 100% positive that will be their answer. i'm also guessing that since i've only had one miscarriage they would be reticent to test any earlier than that. i guess, like you, i will just have to have some faith and patience.

and a lot of money, apparently.

[MindlessChrissy]

Shit. I just typed out a huge reply and it got ate. :(  Try again:

Gtree - Yay! I, too, am wondering how many you're putting back.

Shell, Toothfairy - Anything new with you ladies?

SKJ - Good luck with your appointment!

Sherry - So nice to "hear" from you. What a wonderful dream to have!! I'm okay with the fertility doll if you want to do that. As for the spider, he was sitting on my window sill looking at me one morning when I woke up. I grabbed my phone, snapped a pic, tossed him out the window. lol I'm not a huge spider fan even though I have a tattoo of one on my hand (it's now 21 years old!)

Bebe, Ms. D - Any news?

Indie - What a wonderful thing for your brother to do. Both my older brothers were in the service. 1 army, 1 navy. I know the mixed feelings that come with a sibling in the service.

Afm - I doubt we made it this month. I'll test sometime between Friday and Monday just to make sure. Someone answer this, why do we get such huge symptoms of pregnancy (but neg pg) some months and nothing other months? Is it the progesterone in the system?

[Shell77]

Sherry: yaaay for good timing!!!! Sorry about the house nightmare!! baby dreams are good!!! stop reading all those silly statistics!! women get pregnant past 40 all the time!!! My new RE told me about a 47 year old that got pregnant naturally!! and she was upset cause she did not want to get pregnant... I am jealous of gtree too lol shhhh don't tell her ... haha SKJ: how did your RE appointment go? did you like him? Indie: that is so cool about your brother!! My oldest daughter is 20 and is in the Navy,,,( I was a teenage mom) she is my very best friend... so i hate that she is away... she has also decided that the navy life is NOT for her and she hates it!! I knew she would hate it..... I hate predictable RE's sometimes I wish they would just stop and listen to what we have to say!! Bebe: is isaac still reeking havoc? any news? Chrissy: I wish i knew the answer to that question!! I know i over analyze every twinge or breast pain... But I know some months I just feel pregnant and some I just don't.... I'm trying to remember with my 2 daughters how I felt... with my oldest I was a teenager so i think I was 3 months before I knew ... with my baby (my 12 year old baby) I don't remember anything till I was about 6 or 7 weeks... then it was blah , sick ... but as for early symptoms I don't remember , but then again I didn't have trouble back then... so I guess I am more aware of my body now. toothfairy: i am going to take yopur advice and start my progesterone tonight... I will tell my new RE that it is not strong enough next time I go in... if I have too go back to her... fingers crossed!! AFM: symptoms : peeing a lot, a little abdominal cramping, sore throat, tired, breast a little tender... temp still not really high though... I doubt I am.. Nothing comes that easy. As for my old RE I put in a complaint to the medical board.. and I went on the internet and googled him and on every review I told everything and gave him a horrible review!! and tomorrow I am making a timeline of the events , what his practice promised me at consult, and what is the normal protocol for RE's in my area and compare and show him where he went wrong and type out the horrible experience I had with his negative nurse/ wife ... and make it all in a nice neat package and mail it to him certified letter.... The surgeon I worked for said if he is a respectable doctor he will refund me my money... but i doubt that will happen... I just hope I at least can save 1 woman struggling to have a baby from these people!! i tried to let it go and move on... but I relized it was just eating away at me... and I was so mad about what happened to me and i couldn't let it happen to another women with out me at least speaking up for myself... OH and did I tell you all that I recieved a bill for 202.00 in the mail from them? no explanation no medical code nothing! just a bill !! and i paid cash (i kept the receipts) everytime i had a visit... so I think they charged me for forwarding my records to the new doctor... I will definitley be addressing that tomorrow as well... Don't mess with a woman when she wants a baby and is all jacked up on hormones!! LOL

[Shell77]

I don't know why that all ran together !! SORRY I did have it all spaced nice and neat EEERRRRRGGG

[indie1976]

shell - i'm so happy to hear you are going to fight for yourself! $200 to transfer your files? these people need to be kicked in the proverbial nuts.

chrissy - wow, 2 siblings in the armed services?? you must be very proud, too. as for why do we have more symptoms some months than others... i do think it has to do with progesterone levels. that's my guess, anyway. i am hoping you get a bfp on friday so we can still have that august bfp we were aiming for!!

ugh, i'm bored.

seriously, someone get a bfp already.

[Shell77]

Why has stupid fertilityfriend changed my O date 4 times?????? UGH they are not my friend right now... so I have NO CLUE how many DPO I am... Oh well i guess on cycle day 25 I will test if af hasnt shown up!! >:-I

[SKJ2011]

hi Ladies. I only have a moment, so I'll be back in a bit with persies.

My RE appt this AM was great! I really, really like him - still, since I saw him once before.. He's so positive, which counteracts my pessimism. So, I have a leftover follicle from last cycle. He said that if my estrogen levels are normal, we can go ahead with another medicated cycle, which is what he expects to happen. Since we are traveling, we decided to do one last round of clomid. He's dropping me down to 25 mg to see if that helps with the lining and CM issues. He said that in his experience and in the literature, extra estrogen doesn't help. So, I'm just going to trust him. I asked about baby aspirin, and his opinion was that if I don't need it, it can cause bleeding in pregnancy,which would be bad. Since I'm taking fish oil and L-arginine, I figure I've got the blood to the uterus covered anyways. We are going to do monitoring up until I leave and depending on the timing, I'll either trigger + IUI on the day I leave, or they will tell me when to trigger while I'm traveling and do TI, or, if nothing's brewing, I'll do monitoring + IUI when I get back. So, sounds like a reasonable plan. If this month is a bust, I'll take next month off since we are traveling and it's good to take a break before injecitibles. Then, I'll do injectibles after I get back. I asked about endo, and he said there is no evidence of it on my ultrasounds and my tubes are open, so his opinion was that I may have it, but it isn't likely to be doing much in the way of infertility. He was really nice about all my questions. So, I am feeling better about things and just reminding myself that I'm doing what I can and I just need to be patient.

Be back soon!

[sherryvhkb]

OMG!!!!!!! GTREE WHERE AAAAARRREEEE YOUUUUUUUU?

Is wanting to poas 4-5 dpo indicative of returning ttc insanity?????

Longest day ever,.........

[Shell77]

SKJ : Yaaay I am so Glad you got a good RE ... That is soooo very important!! Sherry I am with you!! GTREE HELLLOOOO??/ WHere are youuuuuu?? haha I am so bored too... Hurry up someone get a BFP already!!

[AGreenMum10]

Okay, sorry about falling off the side of the earth.....

Indie- Hot tub.... Hells yeah, have a good relaxing time!!! You are so lucky I know that's where I would be!!! 

Tooth- Happy Belated B-day... today is mine.... yup 27.... try 32..... you'll get there!! Probably before me!!

Bebe- not sure about your Napro apt.... just don't drink the Koolaid, kay? Like Woah.... But if they help you - hey I'm not judge, but I'm Roman Catholic and I am a little over all that....

Gtree! OMG 17 that is awesome - and I really thought that was interesting about the endo stuff.... I found a BBC article about being super fertile.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19361432

I have endo too, actually was thinking that "it's Baaack" the other day, so i am going in for a check up next week... rule out the ole cyst which my Nurse and Dr know it's not but they need to do there job, I am really lucky I love my Dr she is wonderful and I am reminded about how wonderful she is every day- i hear someone else is going to her,and has a success story... I think it's great that they are doing more research for women like us, we need the know to make it happen! So pulling for you- and my Birthday wish for us ALL to be prego!

Sherry- I love that you are ready for sweaters and Cider... me too we have a orchard in Maine that has fresh dough nuts.... yeah that's right.... I love all the season a little, but Summer is my favorite, Christmas is pretty awesome, but fall sometimes reminds me off my loss.... it always seemed to happen in the fall {of my life...} but I guess I need to change that and the only way is to look at the positives! Cider, Apples and Pumpkins! Thank you for reminding me!

Skj- I just started with a new acupunturist, for the 1st time, I've never been but the clinic I go to is great, I'm very excited about it! Sorry your body is being a pain.... hope it starts working right again.... I know what it's like to be really upset with your body, you should read the article I posted it's interesting.

Shell- On progesterone, I took them only when I was confirming prego, the last few times, but before I was taking them every day, but now being "drug free" I'm going to wait to get prego and then take it then.... It tends to longate my cycle and I just an sick of it and makes me feel prego..... dislike all drugs....

Hope I didn't miss anyone.... 

AFM- I O-ed today- temp rose, but I'm not really counting on anything big, I'm not, not trying, just not doing anything right now, nursing school started this week and then I'm shooting 3 weddings in the next 4 weeks and I'm trying to get in every ounce of summer before it's over.... I have my 32nd b-day to celebrate today... the funny thing is the last time I was prego was last year and I O-ed on my Birthday too... Very odd how my body is right on time a year later.... never thought that would happen... But I'm just glad that the drugs are gone, not more wonky clomid feelings and not more wondering if the symptoms are progesterone or pregnancy...I'm having a few drinks tonight and some yummy Lobster at a work cook out, my work is having an outing today and it just so happens to be my b-day too! Then it's hitting the town with friends tonight, going to dinner and drinks at a pretty swanky Mexican restaurant- Very excited! Should be great, Hubs got me a new camera bag, and a new lunch Built bag for work- which is bad ass! 2 ww, but who's counting... I'm only temping to make sure I don't go ectopic or worry about cycle not starting.... Trying to not worry about a thing..... xoxox Ladies!

[gtree]

Here they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gtree]

Sherry - Great to see you!  you have so much going on. I cannot believe it has been a year.  I'm cool with doing whatever.  and go pee on that stick! haha

Shell - when I read your post, I feel like you are full of energy all of the time.  I am glad you are standing up for yourself!

Toothfairy - hi! so glad you had a good bday weekend!

Chrissy - I can't believe that spider was in your house!! Where do you live?

Indie - Thank you to your brother!

Greenmum - you have some busy weeks ahead! I hope the weather is good for you!

Bebe - I want to see a pic of the puppy!

Indie - hi!

AFM - my biggest AFM yet!  The transfer was this morning!!!  Other than the frustration with my clinic and their mistakes, it went really well!  I had 11 healthy big fertilized eggs! We transferred 2 and froze 9.  The pic above shows a 5 and a 6.  They were top quality.  YAYAYAYAY.  The procedure was more uncomfortable than and IUI, but the same idea.  It was truly amazing, you get to watch everything on a  big screen.  You see them in the petri dish and everything.  Then, you watch via ultrasound as they are pushed out.  miracle of life.

I am going to POAS in a week.... the longest week to date I think.  

Can you all believe it?  I am beyond hopeful.  They doctor gave me 90% chance today.  eek.