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sleeping through the night

post #1 of 31
Thread Starter 

Just curious, I promise!  I saw in the growth spurt thread about a 7p-7a overnight sleeper.  Wow!  How often are your little ones waking up at night?  Mine still awakens every 2-3 hours to eat, so I am up nursing 2-3 times in my usual 8p-4a night of "sleep".

post #2 of 31

Good idea for a thread! I just posted a comment about this in the Chit Chat thread but it's more appropriate here. smile.gif I'll cross-post.

 

DH and I noticed something really interesting about differences in the duration of our baby's night time sleep if she cries before bedtime versus nurses calmly to sleep. This is usually the difference between him putting her to bed versus me putting her to bed (but not always). When she cries before bed, she wakes up 3-4 times throughout the night. Not only that, her first stretch of sleep will only be 3-ish hours before she wakes up again. DRIVES ME NUTS! In startling contrast, when she nurses quietly to sleep, she'll sleep through the night and only wake up 1 time (just ONE TIME!) to be fed and changed after about 7-8 hours of sleep, then sleep again until morning. I can't believe it took me 3 weeks to realize this trend... duh.gif This whole time I thought she was having a sleep regression but thankfully that doesn't seem to be the case! I had just been encouraging DH to put her in bed a lot more often (like half of the week) so she is used to him and so I could get breaks sometimes, but that meant more crying to sleep in his arms, and then some nights she started crying in my arms before bed. I began solely nursing her to sleep the past few nights again while she's calm and relaxed, and now she's sleeping through the night again. Oy vey! What the heck was I thinking!

 

So when we're on a good routine, our baby is sleeping on average 10 hours a night and waking once. That is an 8:00pm bedtime, 3:30-ish feed/change, and a 6:30am wake time. When she has a bad night, she'll wake up 3-4 times.

post #3 of 31
Thread Starter 

Where does she sleep?

 

We have an unusual set up here.  My son stopped sleeping lying down in his first month.  After two nights of about 2 hours of sleep, we had to do something different.  (I felt like I was going crazy, like in a few more days I'd be putting my baby on my neighbor's doorstep, ringing the bell, and running away...to sleep)  My partner stays up with him at night, with the babe sleeping in a sling, waking me up to nurse him.  I get up b/w 4 and 5 a.m. and my partner sleeps.  Luca will often sleep a few more hours hardcore in the morning, but sometimes not.  (Those days are rough!)  Luca and I usually hang out in the recliner, nursing and napping throughout the morning. 

 

It works for getting sleep, but really, I'm kind of sick of it.  I'm pretty lonely, hanging out by myself in the mornings, plus I feel like I really don't get much done most of the time.  (My daughter is only here part-time, as she's at her dad's part-time as well.  And not only that, but she who used to get up at the crack of dawn now sleeps til 10 or so!)  I also miss hanging out with my husband.

 

Anyway, I'm ready to try the family bed again, and I'm hoping this time, it'll work! 

post #4 of 31

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Edited by LunaLady - 6/29/12 at 4:16pm
post #5 of 31

Oren recently grew out of his Miracle Blanket, and since we can't keep him swaddled in anything else, he's now in a sleep sack. We've gone from two 5-6 hour stretches and one 3-hour stretch to waking every 2 hours. I am tired. He also won't nap longer than 20 mins in the day. 

 

He is sick and teething too, but I am worried this is a new trend for him. Yawn

 

ETA: Clearly I AM tired. My math doesn't add up. He usually sleeps 10-12 hours at night, and used to give us either two 5-6 hour stretches or one 6-hour stretch and two 3-hour stretches.


Edited by KayPea - 2/20/12 at 8:08pm
post #6 of 31

Oh, and opposite to Joanie, I am starting to wonder if it's nursing/helping him to sleep that's causing him to sleep less at naptime - he used to go down for a nap on his own, one or two minutes of tension-relieving squawking and he was out, for like, 2 hours or more. Now he needs to either nurse to sleep or suck on my pinky (he doesn't usually like nursing to sleep) every time, and bing! he's awake 20-30 mins later. Often I'll only be downstairs for 5 - 10 minutes.  He doesn't really squawk anymore, he just cries and I'm not OK with leaving him like that.

 

Oh, and we never swaddled him for naps, just nighttime. 

 

 

post #7 of 31
Shay was sleeping from about 9 to 5 then nurse and poop again at 630 and up at 730. Lately he is up at 2, 330, 5 and up for the day at 630.

On the one hand more sleep would be nice but I don't guess it will help anything if I get used to sleeping for a couple more months if we're just going to be up all night again in May. Maybe he'll be a sleeper.
post #8 of 31

Do you sew?  I made my dd1 an over-sized miracle blanket out of a large piece of flannel.  I basically just laid my Miracle Blanket out and copied the pattern in a bigger size (my dd1 was swaddled until 7mo).  It was an easy project and worked so much better than anything else.  I can take a pic of it if you'd like.  You can also cut the feet out of the Miracle blanket, wrap him up and then cover his legs with something else.

 

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Oren recently grew out of his Miracle Blanket, and since we can't keep him swaddled in anything else, he's now in a sleep sack. We've gone from two 5-6 hour stretches and one 3-hour stretch to waking every 2 hours. I am tired. He also won't nap longer than 20 mins in the day. 

 

He is sick and teething too, but I am worried this is a new trend for him. Yawn

 

ETA: Clearly I AM tired. My math doesn't add up. He usually sleeps 10-12 hours at night, and used to give us either two 5-6 hour stretches or one 6-hour stretch and two 3-hour stretches.



 

I suggest to try different things.  That schedule sounds awful!  My DD1 was pretty picky and would only sleep elevated and swaddled for a long time.  However, we did find something that worked and allowed us all to sleep at night.  Keep experimenting and see if you can all sleep at the same time.
 

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Where does she sleep?

 

We have an unusual set up here.  My son stopped sleeping lying down in his first month.  After two nights of about 2 hours of sleep, we had to do something different.  (I felt like I was going crazy, like in a few more days I'd be putting my baby on my neighbor's doorstep, ringing the bell, and running away...to sleep)  My partner stays up with him at night, with the babe sleeping in a sling, waking me up to nurse him.  I get up b/w 4 and 5 a.m. and my partner sleeps.  Luca will often sleep a few more hours hardcore in the morning, but sometimes not.  (Those days are rough!)  Luca and I usually hang out in the recliner, nursing and napping throughout the morning. 

 

It works for getting sleep, but really, I'm kind of sick of it.  I'm pretty lonely, hanging out by myself in the mornings, plus I feel like I really don't get much done most of the time.  (My daughter is only here part-time, as she's at her dad's part-time as well.  And not only that, but she who used to get up at the crack of dawn now sleeps til 10 or so!)  I also miss hanging out with my husband.

 

Anyway, I'm ready to try the family bed again, and I'm hoping this time, it'll work! 


AFM:  Coralie sleeps about 11 hours at night.  She's usually down for the night between 8-9:00pm, sleeps for 5-6 hours and then in 1-3 hour spurts after that.  I guess 'technically' she sttn (5 hours), but then is up every couple hours after that.  She usually wakes about 3 times at night to nurse.  I think breastfed babies that sleep for 12 hours straight are rare.

 

post #9 of 31
Jasper usually goes to sleep between 9 and 10. I say usually meaning the past two weeks. Before that, I was getting him to sleep by 8:30. Dh being in town has altered our sleep routine. Anyway, J is asleep by 10 and then usually sleeps until 3-4. After that, he's very restless, sleeping an 1-2 hours between eating or nursing constantly. I have him in his bassinet until the first wake up when dh is in town. When dh is working away (most of the time) I don't bother with the bassinet.

I don't expect him to sleep through the night. I don't even really expect the five hours or so he usually sleeps. Every night when I look at the clock when he wakes and it says 3 or 4 (or even 5!), I think it is a huge bonus. I don't know... I guess I just expect babies to need to be snuggled and nursed most of the night? I also feel semi-rested with my current sleep set up. So I'm in no rush to do anything! I guess I am an awful person to give sleeping advice. Lol.
post #10 of 31

We're certainly not sleeping through the night here.  I'm pretty jealous of the 5-6 (or more!!!) hour stretches that some of you are getting.  YAWN!  And my older son wakes up around 630 and insists that I get out of bed.  OMG.  I'm so tired.

post #11 of 31

Roam and Ember are identical twins but they do not share identical sleep patterns. Ember sleeps 3 hr stretches and can self soothe with his thumb at night. Roam wakes up every 2 hrs or more and not able to soothe so if Roam wakes up while I am nursing Ember I need to nurse them at the same time. I sleep in the middle so I nurse all night but I fall asleep each time. I am getting more sleep now compared to DS1 who wanted to be on my nipple all night or he would cry. Roam and Ember drink and then immediately fall asleep off the nipple (most times). :)

 

post #12 of 31

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Where does she sleep?

 


We've been putting our baby to sleep in her crib from 2 months old on. She wouldn't sleep on her back those entire first two months unless she was in her swing or napper station on the pack 'n play (but we didn't want her permanently attached to either!). It was starting to drive me batty since I had become unable to sleep with the baby on my chest or in the bedroom with me anymore; every single noise or movement would wake me up. My original intention of co-sleeping bit the dust early! Once we purchased a Cloud B Lullabag wearable blanket, she somehow miraculously started sleeping on her back willingly and within 3 nights of crib training, she was into a routine. I don't know what we would've done without that Lullabag... She's going to outgrow it soon so I'm contemplating whether or not to buy the next size up or try a traditional sleep sack. She had one sleeper that was like a sleep sack and she seemed to do okay with it.

 

Wellforth - Do you use anything for white noise? My baby likes her Sleep Sheep sound machine with her bedtime routine or else a really loud fan. She wakes up so easily during naps if it's silent in the room; it's maddening!

 

For any of you with crib sleepers out there... Does your baby move around a lot in the crib? No matter what we have Sora sleeping in (whether it's just a footed sleeper that allows much easier movement or even her thick Lullabag in which you'd think she'd be immobile...) she ends up turned around 180 degrees or more in her crib in awkward positions and sometimes wakes herself up because she has kicked her foot into a railing or the headboard. I can't believe how much she moves in her sleep! At first I was like, "Aww that's so cute, look how she ended up!" LOL but now I'm like, "Ughhh... baby, you have to stop turning yourself around and kicking the headboard... Mommy needs sleep." I wish the crib was a square and not rectangular so she'd have more room to navigate! Not sure how to fix this at all.

post #13 of 31

Avery is my little unexpected baby in so many ways.  Right now and for the past several weeks he has been going to bed around 10pm (plus or minus) and sleeping until 3ish.  Sometimes even 4 or 5 and today he floored me and slept until 6:30.  EIGHT hours!!!!  This is absolutely unheard of in our house.  Dd was an every 1-2 hour night waker and ds1 was more like every 2-3 hours.  Dd slept like that for 2 years (seriously... this is why we considered only having one child) and ds1 slept like that for about 16 months (when he night weaned).  So I feel incredibly blessed at the sleep I am getting out of Avery right now.  Please continue!  Please!  Please!!!  praying.gif

post #14 of 31

Greta was a wonderful sleeper. She'd go to sleep around 8:30-9:00 and sleep in her crib until around 3. She did that for a good, long time. Lately, as in the last week or two, she's been waking after being in bed for about an hour. She was going back to sleep if I immediately put her in the swing, then I'd lay her back into the crib when I went to bed around 10-10:30 where she'd stay until 1:30-2. The last two nights have been hell and I'm wondering if she's entering that lovely 4 month sleep regression (she'll be 4 months old next Friday). She goes to bed like normal, nothing different about her bedtime routine. She wakes up after an hour and won't let me put her down at all. Not in the swing, not back in the crib, no where. She'll fuss and squirm in my arms, go back to sleep, fuss and squirm some more, go back to sleep, rinse and repeat. If I try to lay her back down after she goes to sleep, she's awake again immediately. No crib time the last two nights at all and waking frequently wanting to eat, but fighting the breast.

 

Last night, she fell asleep until I went to bed at 10. Then, she woke up as soon as I laid down. She was awake until 11:30. Awake at 12:45, when she screamed and fought at the breast until I kicked DH and told him to make us a bottle. She took the bottle and slept until 4 when she did the same thing. She finally decided she'd nurse at 6:15 when she woke again and was restless so I made DH take her into the other room to sleep in the swing so I could get some actual sleep before he went to work. GAH! 

post #15 of 31
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I guess it's not that Luca won't sleep lying down, it's just that he won't sleep in a bed.  His sleep pattern was great at first, as I'd get up to feed him every 2-3 hours, and he'd go right back to sleep and so would I.  Then he just stopped sleeping, totally, night and day, and was omg fussy.  I felt like I was going crazy!  And that's when we switched up our routine. 

 

He would not latch on for anything at first, so I was pumping and bottle feeding.  Then he started latching on with the nipple shield, and finally, about five weeks ago, we figured out bf.  He's got a little head and mouth, so side lie nursing has been impossible until...now! So, really, we're going to try the family bed again, like this week.  My daughter is at her dad's house, so I can just sleep all day if I don't get to sleep much at night.  I really want to figure this out, because sleeping in a recliner really stinks.  I miss sleeping with my husband.

 

I have a white noise machine, for myself.  I'm a light sleeper something terribly.    That doesn't make it any easier.

 

We have some issues, like we're in a double bed, and it's not enough room for all three of us.  I have a cosleeper attached, but Luca seems to not like it as much as the bed even.  Plus it's about four inches below the bed mattress, making side lie nursing impossible.  It's mostly just used as a bed rail when cosleeping.  I am thinking about getting a regular crib and side-carring it so we have enough room.

 

Another issue is that I've had to pump at night, because I get engorged.  If I don't pump, I leak all over the place.  So, do I get up at night and pump? (Ugh.)

I kind of wonder if when Luca sleeps right next to me if we just wake each other up a lot, and maybe he'd sleep better in his own space, or at least, not jammed up right next to my body.  I don't know.  Like I said, I just want to get a different routine figured out.

 

I had amazing sleep last night:  a 3-hour stretch, and then 4.  Four hours of sleep in a row!!!

post #16 of 31

I'd stop pumping at night and deal with the engorgement for a few nights.  Your body will figure out that it doesn't need to make so much milk then.  If you keep pumping, you'll keep producing.  I pumped at night for a while at the beginning but then I just stopped doing it, and I'd pump a bit in the morning since I donate and after a few nights I am no longer so full at night.  I pump before bed as well- I feed Dylan before he goes to sleep (so around 8 or 830) then I pump at 10 or so before I go to bed.  He eats again at around midnight.  With just those two pumping sessions I get about 12-15 oz a day to donate, so if you're trying to build a stash of milk you should still be able to get enough to store, it would just be better to train your body to produce at different times of day ;-)

I am jealous of your four hours in a row.  Heck, I'm jealous of the 3 hours too.  

I think my kids are just bad sleepers.  Ugh.  This is awful.

post #17 of 31
I tucked a diaper into my bra for several weeks. Your body will slow down. I still leak a little but if I just put one finger on my nipple I don't leak. I agree, dump the pump.
post #18 of 31

Yup, I agree, ditch the night pumping, your body will adjust.  Also, you might try letting your baby sleep on his tummy or try swaddling.  Coralie (and me too) does sleep better if she has a bit of her own room.  She sleeps on a co-sleeper that's basically an extension of our mattress.  I pull he over near me to nurse and then put her back on her own mattress when she's done.
 

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I'd stop pumping at night and deal with the engorgement for a few nights.  Your body will figure out that it doesn't need to make so much milk then.  If you keep pumping, you'll keep producing.  I pumped at night for a while at the beginning but then I just stopped doing it, and I'd pump a bit in the morning since I donate and after a few nights I am no longer so full at night.  I pump before bed as well- I feed Dylan before he goes to sleep (so around 8 or 830) then I pump at 10 or so before I go to bed.  He eats again at around midnight.  With just those two pumping sessions I get about 12-15 oz a day to donate, so if you're trying to build a stash of milk you should still be able to get enough to store, it would just be better to train your body to produce at different times of day ;-)

I am jealous of your four hours in a row.  Heck, I'm jealous of the 3 hours too.  

I think my kids are just bad sleepers.  Ugh.  This is awful.



 

post #19 of 31
Thread Starter 

I think I'll try tonight not pumping and see how it goes.  The last several nights, I've only been pumping enough to take the edge off the fullness, hoping it would even out.  But last night I pumped more than I did when I was draining the breast the best I could.  (My pump doesn't get all the milk out, by far.)  Tucking a diaper in sounds like a good idea.  I have not been able to wear anything  for a few weeks other than a loose shirt because of nipple soreness, but I've worn a bra for the last couple of days.  It's nice to be able to wear breast pads again and not leak all over everything all the time!  I start leaking if I look at my baby, think about him, hear another baby cry, etc.  I'm pretty leaky!

 

My partner and I looked at our cosleeper and tried to figure out how to raise the mattress.  The edge is about an inch higher than our mattress, and we could only raise the cosleeper mattress so that it was still a few inches down.  In other words, it still won't work for side lie nursing.  Putting him down when he's asleep just doesn't work for him--he wakes up.  DH suggested I sleep in bed with the baby and he sleep on the couch so that we can all be comfy and sleep at roughly the same time.  We're going to try that and see how it goes.

 

carey

post #20 of 31

I agree with everyone else... stop pumping.  You will adjust.  Like Sarah mentioned, I put a folded receiving blanket over my breasts, under my shirt, while I sleep to catch the leaking.  You can also lay down towels in your bed.  I think b/c you had a later start to breastfeeding, the regulation process is also taking a bit longer for you.  Typically it takes about 6-7 weeks from the start of regular breastfeeding. 

 

And while this may not be a popular suggestion among partners, perhaps your DP could sleep somewhere else in the house so that you and baby can sleep more comfortably?  My dh slept in the guest room for large chunks of my childrens' infancy.  I would not be getting any sleep in a double bed with all three of us, that's for sure!  Depending on the size of your room you could also get a twin sized bed to put next to your double.  Your DP could sleep on the twin and later it could become Luca's bed when he's ready to transition to his own room.

 

I also second the recs to try different sleeping positions like on his side or on his tummy, swaddled or unswaddled.  Avery sleeps with a blanket over him and our sheets pulled partially up over him.  Could Luca be cold?  Another reason for frequent night waking is a wet diaper.  Sometimes babies are distracted enough during the day not to mind being wet, but at night it becomes irritating.  When I started ECing ds1 at night, he started sleeping better.  So you could try a different kind of diaper (if you're using cloth) that is more absorbent, more wicking or you could try offering the potty.  Just a thought.

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