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March Chit Chat

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LunaLady- Christina: 9/19, baby boy Rhyko

Bubbagirl- Becca: 9/24, baby girl



Gemini529- : 10/26, baby boy

LexiDrewMama- Jessica: 10/26, baby girl Alexia

Ajbaby- : 10/27, baby girl Emily Paige, 9:04 pm, 3 minutes before midwife got here, 6 lbs 4 oz and 19"

Meb2- Morgan: 10/27, baby boy Ezra Ryan was born at 6:46 PM

Flor- : 10/27, baby girl

Berry987- Lindsey: 10/30, baby girl Stella Beatrix born at 4:16am

TTCChloeorConner- Nicole: 10/31 baby boy Conner Dean, 8lbs2oz. 20'' long. 6:14pm


Early November

Seraf- Sara: 11/1, baby boy Shay born in the car, 8lb14oz

Mal85- Mallory: 11/2, baby girl Greta

Juliensiss: 11/2 baby boy Landon Henry, 8am.  7 14 and 20.5 inches long

EonJourney- Nicole: 11/3, identical twin boys Ember Trail 5.7 oz and Roam Freely 5.6 oz

SoCaliMommy- Kami: 11/4 baby boy Harlan Drake,  6:48pm at 10lbs even 21 1/2"

Ablemec- Mishy: 11/7 baby boy

Autumnshades- Sonja: 11/7, baby boy Elijah Matthias, 6:25am, 6 lbs 10 oz, 20 inches long

1Love4Ever- : 11/9, baby boy Roger, 9lb 5oz, 22in

rhombus- April: 11/9, baby boy Ulysses

Lula's Mom- Kristi: 11/10 baby boy, 5:30 this morning

MrsKatie- Katie: 11/10, baby girl Catherine Anne was born at 1:21pm.  7lbs 10oz and 21 inches long. 


Mid November

Lula's Mom- Kristi: 11/11, baby boy Leonidas Ronan

Jill the Pill- Jill: 11/11, baby girl Audrey Catharine 6lbs 5oz 19 inches long

miriam_bat_avraham- Julie: 11/11, twin girls

TalkToMeNow- Amanda: 11/12, baby boy Jasper Conley, 12:42 pm,  8 lbs 11 oz.

Paigekitten- Katie: 11/12, baby girl Eowyn Jane, 6:09 pm, 8 lbs 3.9 oz, 21 inches

Caracol8- Michele: 11/12, baby boy Sebastian David, 1:52am, 8lbs 4ozs, 21in

FaithF- Faith: 11/13, baby girl Aria Rain, 3:06 am, 6 lb 7 oz.

KayPea- Kirsten: 11/13, baby boy Oren Edward Adams, 5:45pm, 9lbs 11oz, 21 in long, 15in head!

Chena4- : 11/14 baby girl, born in the car 9:47pm

Augustmom- : 11/14, baby boy Sean Bennett, 9.3oz

mommy2sage- Michelle: 11/15, baby boy Storm Noonday, 8:26pm, 9 pounds 6 ounces, 20.5 inches

LiLStar- Rachel: 11/16, baby boy Evan Curtis, 11 lbs, 15" head

Beccawprice- : 11/16, baby boy Theodore was 8 lb 6 oz, 21 in long

Xakana- : 11/16, baby girl Katarina Xylia, 11:42am, weighing 8lbs, 13oz, 20"

crazykittymomma- Sarah: 11/17, baby girl Anya Kathryn, 5:37am

Krystal323- Krystal: 11/18, baby boy Oliver Davis, UC

IwannaBanRN- Becky: 11/19, baby boy Levi Jaxon, 10:50am, UC

2011mama- MK: 11/19, baby boy, 2:17 a.m. , 9 lbs., 2 oz., 21 in

Keanusmomma- Rachel: 11/ , baby girl Juniper Willow

Mommy55- ML: 11/19, baby boy William Alan

jhsmama11-Amber: 11/19, baby boy Jack Henry


Late November

mleh99- Emily: 11/21, baby girl Ella Lorraine, 8lbs 2oz, 18 1/2 inches

Mamabelle- Michelle: 11/22, baby girl Iris Elizabeth, 8lbs, 9oz and 20 inches long at 9:06am

Octanebeetle27- Wendy: 11/23, baby boy Jacob Bruce, 8lbs 8oz

Amanitamama- : 11/23, baby boy Alastair Corvus, 5:12am, unintentionally unassisted

mcacat- Catherine: 11/23, baby girl Margot Anne

meesh933- Michele: 11/24, baby boy Jack Lennox, 3:04 am, 9lb9oz

Code Name Mama- Dionna: 11/24, baby girl Ailia Genevieve, 4:15a.m.

jbk21- J: 11/24, baby boy Dylan Timothy born in the caul

Motivated Mama- Nina: 11/24, baby

dashley111- Ash:  11/24, baby girl Bettie Grey, 7:03pm, 7lbs15oz, 21"

birdhappy85- Joanie:  11/24, baby girl Sora Nina, 3:39pm, 7lb 6oz, 19-1/2 in long

BananaBreadGirl- : 11/24, baby boy Malachi

Jamie211- Jaime: 11/24, baby boy Jacob

Viriditas- Amy: 11/25, baby girl Evelyn, 7:54 PM, 8 lbs 10 oz, 21 1/2 inches

jasmin85- Jasmin: 11/28, baby boy, 8:36pm, 10lb 15oz

KaliShanti- Kali: 11/29, baby boy Enoch Noble Grandison , 8 lbs 7 oz. 21.25 in, 11:45pm

munchymum- : 11/29, baby girl Sylvie, 12:16 pm



abraisme- Abra: 12/1, baby girl Coralie Katherine, 8lbs1oz, 19.75", 2pm

musicmama08 - Crystal: 12/1, baby girl Clara Evelyn, 9 lbs

Jaimee: 12/3, baby boy Avery River, 6lbs14oz, 21", 4:21pm

Willsmomm- Brittney: 12/4, baby boy Clayton Isaac, 10:14 p.m.

MrsVyky- Vyky: 12/12, baby girl Olive, 5:09pm

Edited by Jaimee - 3/15/12 at 5:31am
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RE: vasectomies-  my DH has his next week.  The doc actually gave him a Valium to take before the procedure, because apparently balls hide when you come at them with sharp things lol.gif  He is not nervous at all.


I left Bettie with her grandma yesterday for the first time, while I went for a root canal.  It went amazingly!  There was only tears before nap, and she didn't even need the milk I pumped for her.  It was so relieving, because she has been such a high maintenence kid.

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LOL, Ash!  A valium might have been helpful for dh, too!  Really, it's all about just relaxing.   Pssh, men really just don't have a clue what we go through to have children.  A vasectomy is just a glimpse of it all.

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Jaimee- Thanks for the tips!  I will talk to DH about it.  He's already starting in on the "I'm going to get my balls chopped off" crap, so hopefully he just gets that all out of the way.  He's the type to get over his feelings about something NOW and then be totally calm later, so we'll see, though I'm sure he'll still be apprehensive about the pain and such.  Understandable- but like you said- NOTHING like childbirth and pregnancy.  NOTHING like it.  It's positively silly how worked up men can get about the littlest things.... 

And they say women are the weaker sex. 


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I shouldn't even jump into the discussion about how men need to just suck it up because I'll go off on a long angry tangent that'll pretty much never end. Men are of no use to me right now. angry.gif


Somebody please enlighten me on what is a normal amount of naptime sleep a baby should be getting during the day? Sora is on strike from napping the past few days and I.am.going.out.of.my.mind. I have no idea what's normal anymore. Not only is she not napping more than an hour or two combined a day, she has me up at 5:30am or earlier every day for good, and she just started waking up every two hours or more throughout the night. She already had her 3-month growth spurt a week ago and then went back to normal, so this is coming out of no where all of a sudden. DH says he noticed me snoring and having sleep apnea issues again, so in the few hours of sleep I am getting, I'm not getting recharged AT ALL. I'm waking myself up in my sleep. I can't go on like this. I would only call my mom as a last resort, and I ended up doing that a little bit ago in desperation. She was of no help and even went so far as to tell me how babies need to go to sleep with a full stomach and maybe I shouldn't be feeding on demand because Sora probably isn't sleeping with a FULL belly. She started in on a "letting baby cry it out" tangent and I abruptly stopped her. And then before she hung up the phone she told me, "You and your husband will figure it out." Thanks, Mom. That was such useless information. I could've died happily without being invalidated by you one.more.time as usual.


I put Sora in her crib. She cried for a few minutes and then fell asleep but is sleeping so lightly she's making peeps every few minutes and squirming like crazy. I can't hold her right now. I feel so weak and sick to my stomach. How do people handle it when a baby keeps switching things up on you every few days? I can't keep up with her and feel like death!

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Oh Joanie... hug2.gif  I had severe sleep apnea for many years (corrected with surgery in 2005) and I couldn't imagine still dealing with that AND taking care of a baby.  Sorry your mom only made you feel worse.  That's the pits, when we reach out only to get shot down.  I'm so sorry.  I don't know what "normal" is, KJ has started waking quite often in the night again, too.


It's funny how our tough, stoic dudes are mega weenies over some things.  DH was super grumpy and grumbly the other day and after prodding him mercilessly to tell me what his deal was he was like "I just need to get more sleep."  And this was after ONE night where he went to sleep extra late and I woke him up "early" (at like 9am) to take over cause KJ had kept me up all night.  So he doesn't sleep enough for ONE NIGHT and he's Mr Crabs all friggin' day long?!?  I could've ripped his head off!  I was like "YOU need to get more sleep? YOU do. OK."  And I'm trying to be calm and non-judgmental cause he's allowed to feel however he feels, and he never gets down on me for how I feel, and hey I understand what it's like to need more sleep... but if he could switch places with me for a week, I'm sure he'd quit complaining!  To be fair, he hasn't complained since... but I've also let him sleep as late as he needs to since then!

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Joanie-- Hate to say it, but there's also a 4 month sleep regression to look forward to. It's not a growth spurt. It's the age when their sleep patterns change. They go from constant deep sleep of newborns, to sleep cycles more like ours. Cycles of lighter sleep and deeper sleep. A lot of babies have trouble staying asleep during the lighter sleep cycles. It's a matter of adjustment for them. We've been going through this with Greta and it didn't really get better, we've just adjusted to her new sleep pattern a little. The early morning is their sleep is very light and hard to keep them asleep. I notice Greta very squirmy from about 4-6 in the morning. I've been feeding her then going to sleep on the couch or in bed with DD1 because she keeps me awake and actually sleeps better without me there.

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"YOU need to get more sleep? YOU do. OK."


Yup.  I say that ALL THE TIME.  Actually, I have now started saying "I know how you feel.  I always need more sleep".  It seems less aggressive.  Not that you can't be aggressive- I'm just so over trying to help him understand what it's like to be the mom.  He doesn't get it.  He never will.   :-)

On the other hand, DH does go to bed at 8-9pm and wakes at 3:30am most days.  So I do know that around 3-5pm he crashes.  So I try to let him nap if I can :-)  He also lets me sleep in a bit (like, 8:30am is sleeping in for me) so it's a give-take.  


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My partner is pregnant so I just let her sleep, but my kid sleeps so it's no big deal.  I sleep so much better than when I was pregnant that it's not funny. I did start waking her at 8 tho.  9 was a bit much.


Joanie, I don't know what's a normal amount to sleep, Shay just started having more awake time.  He still takes several hours worth of naps through the day, tho.  He is ready to sleep after he's been up for an hour to an hour and a half.  


Regarding the 4 month sleep regression, we had 2 weeks of 4 wake ups nightly and now we're back to 2, with the first one being 4 or 5 hours.  He just turned 4 months, so it might get bad again, but I'm an eternal optimist and think 2 wake ups is a million times better than 4.



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Yesterday Sora was awake from 5:30am - 2:30pm with only maybe a 20-minute nap somewhere in there. I kid you not, I was pulling my hair out. Now today is just as bad, only I got so little sleep last night that I'm tolerating it even less. I just tried putting Sora down for a nap at 12:00... 12:30... 1:30... 2:30... 3:00... She fell asleep for only 20 minutes the first time. Then she kept dozing off other times but would wake up immediately. This last time I got SO MAD because she seemed like she was finally out for the count and I had laid down to nap myself... then my nose started running so I reached for a tissue... and she woke up WHEN I PULLED THE TISSUE OUT OF THE BOX! You know how quiet that sound is?! And she woke up from that! I almost chucked the stupid kleenex box across the room. There are no quality naps to be had here now. greensad.gif Where'd my deep sleeping baby go?


Katie - What kind of corrective surgery did you have for sleep apnea? DH works in the sleep health field so it's even more frustrating that I've been trying to find a cure for my sleep problems for 5 years but it's been too complicated to adequately treat. greensad.gif At this point I'd try anything.

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Dylan is three weeks behind Shay but he naps the same, from what I am inferring.  He is awake for 60-90 minutes, and naps for a couple of hours at a time USUALLY but sometimes just 45 minutes.  About 4 naps a day, sometimes another catnap like in the car or something.  So about.... 5 hours of naps?  Maybe more?  I'm not sure.  But Sora and Dylan are the same age (to the day) so I'm not sure what is going on with her?  I'd say get to her sleep via whatever means necessary- sling, swing, etc.  That's always my solution for when babies are awake too much because often it's overtiredness and high levels of cortisol.....  So get her to sleep however you can, as often as you can, and hopefully that will reset any sleep debt she might have.  

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Yeah, I think Shay sleeps often for short spurts.  with 2 or 3 long naps.  I'll look at his sleep again tomorrow.  

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J - yes, that's a great way of responding to a husband who complains about not sleeping enough - I try and do that for DH.  After all, he is always so empathetic and understanding and non-judgmental when I'm bitching and moaning, so I'll give him a free pass for this one :)  Besides, it only happened once.  He really is an amazing support.


Joanie - I had uvulopalatopharyngoplasty (abbreviated UPPP).  Notorious for being the most painful surgery in the world.  Labor was worse... but not by much (seriously).  And I was in agony for 11 straight days.  But it CURED my sleep apnea (I was waking up 30 times an HOUR before I got the surgery).  I got the surgery after years of diagnostic testing, and a failed attempt at a CPAP machine (just could NOT sleep with that awful thing).  I was seeing sleep specialists at the Stanford Sleep Disorders Clinic, and they determined that the only thing causing my apnea was a severely obstructed airway (some people have apnea and it's neurological, or because of excess weight, etc).  I was very thin, healthy, young, active - the only thing that needed to go were my tonsils, adenoids, and a big chunk of my soft palate.  Oh yeah and my uvula.  So I have no "punching bag" in the back of my throat.  I love showing that off, it's my greatest party trick.


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Joanie, does it help if you lie down with her? If I put Jasper in the bed alone or in the swing, etc, his naps are shorter. If I lie down with him and let him nurse during his nap, he will sleep for a couple of hours.

J, I'm like you. If Jasper isn't getting enough sleep, I'll get him to sleep by any means: carrier, swing, carseat, lying in bed all morning. I love the last one, actually. smile.gif Our current sleep situation is that he is down for the night around 9-10. I put him in his bassinet then. I go to sleep around 12:30. He usually wakes up between 3-4 and I change him and take him to bed with me. Then I am up at 5:30 to wake up dsd, back to sleep for an hour, and up at 6:30 to wake dd1 and dd2 and take them to school. I get back from doing that at 8, at which point Jasper and I go back to bed for his morning nap. That will last until 9 or 10. Whew. Anyway, all the hours combined make me feel somewhat rested.

When dh is here, I let him sleep through the night. I don't have him get up to bring me J or change his diaper. In exchange, he gets up with J on the weekends and lets me sleep alone until 10. Awesomeness!!
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Originally Posted by jbk21 View Post

Dylan is three weeks behind Shay but he naps the same, from what I am inferring.  He is awake for 60-90 minutes, and naps for a couple of hours at a time USUALLY but sometimes just 45 minutes.  About 4 naps a day, sometimes another catnap like in the car or something.  So about.... 5 hours of naps?  Maybe more?  I'm not sure.  But Sora and Dylan are the same age (to the day) so I'm not sure what is going on with her?  I'd say get to her sleep via whatever means necessary- sling, swing, etc.  That's always my solution for when babies are awake too much because often it's overtiredness and high levels of cortisol.....  So get her to sleep however you can, as often as you can, and hopefully that will reset any sleep debt she might have.  

I agree - KJ often just needs to sleep in the sling with me walking around, and nothing else will do. 

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Amanda- yeah I never have DH help at night.  I gave that up a LONG time ago.  I figure it's best if one of us is rested, especially since then I can sleep in when he's not working early :-)

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Originally Posted by jbk21 View Post

Amanda- yeah I never have DH help at night.  I gave that up a LONG time ago.  I figure it's best if one of us is rested, especially since then I can sleep in when he's not working early :-)

Yeah. Plus, any benefit from the help would be negated by the whining about being tired. Lol.

A couple of times when dh was here for a while, I tried to get him to wake up dsd for school at 5:30. I thought maybe it could be one less time I have to get up. So he texted her. Texted! Like that was going to do it. Apparently, I do better with getting up during the night.
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Unfortunately I don't have the ability to lay in bed with Sora during the day. DH is asleep there since he works nights. Being on opposite schedules really has made things a million times harder on me. Of course DH disagrees. eyesroll.gif


Katie, I've heard of the UPPP. I don't have my adenoids or tonsils. I remember how painful those surgeries were, so I hear ya! I had to go back under a week after my tonsillectomy because the wounds opened up and I was coughing blood. Worst 2+ weeks of my life. At least childbirth was much shorter pain, eh? I would consider the UPPP more if it seemed like a fix for me but I don't think my problem is purely structural. greensad.gif DH is currently involved in doing sleep studies that are researching the effectiveness of a new implant device that seems promising but I don't think it'd be right for me either. Bummer. I had a dental device that was a disaster and caused me to have TMJ for years that required physical therapy to treat and I still have flareups now probably for life. The CPAP machine has been a disappointment too for a lot of reasons. It's just all a mess! I need to lose weight but it's a catch 22 when you have sleep apnea since the lack of restorative sleep screws with your appetite, blood sugar levels, energy to exercise, etc. When I'm done breastfeeding, I'm going on a serious diet.

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I will say, Greta naps pretty well. In the morning, she'll stay awake about 1.5 hours and go down for 2-3 hours. *Usually* she'll nap in the crib for most of that. 1.5-2 hours, anyway. If she still acts sleepy when she wakes up, I let her finish the nap in the swing. She loves sleeping in the swing and would sleep there as long as I would let her. I generally don't let her nap more than 3 hours at a time. In the afternoon, she'll stay awake about 2 hours and then nap about 2 hours. Her afternoon nap isn't usually as good as her morning nap. Meaning she doesn't stay in the crib for as long. After that, she gets a random cat nap sometime in the evening to hold her over until bedtime. That one is unpredictable and comes at different times, usually while we're either eating or fixing dinner. 


Lately, she's been going to sleep around 8:30 and I still try to get her in the crib at night. It lasts about 45 min to an hour, then she sleeps in the swing until I'm ready to go to bed. I offer her a dream feed before I go to bed, hoping it will make her sleep in the crib for a while (it doesn't, but I try anyway). When I go to bed, I try again to put her in the crib. Sometimes that lasts a couple or few hours, most of the time that doesn't last at all and she ends up in bed with me within 30 min or so. Nighttime sleep is hit or miss. Last night she only woke to eat twice. The night before it was 4 times. 

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Joanie - Oren is doing the same thing right now, and I figure it's the 4-month sleep regression starting. I find that if he gets a good morning nap then the rest of his naps go much longer, and easier. And then if he gets a decent amount of day sleep, he sleeps well at night too. 


What's Sora's awake window? Is she getting overtired?  Oren's is about 90 minutes right now. Though if he only naps for 20 minutes, his awake window is more like 45 minutes. If I miss his sleepy signs and he starts getting overtired, then he starts doing what Sora is doing - sleeping lightly, squirming etc. He also does that when I have him in a cloth diaper for naps, so for now he's in a disposable to sleep.  And if all else fails, he'll sleep for hours in the Ergo. That's how I relieve his sleep debt. The only catch is that I have to be actively walking to get him to sleep in the Ergo, so DD and I have to go out. 


Just wondering, if Sora woke from the kleenex, are you putting on white noise for her naps? Is it loud enough (some babies need it as loud as a vaccuum cleaner, louder than conversation level) Is the room dark? If she's sensitive, she might need help to keep from being distracted/waking herself. And once they start reorganizing their sleep, they may need to have the same conditions present when they cycle through one sleep cycle as they had when they fell asleep. So if she nurses to sleep, you might have to keep an ear open to when she starts to stir, then nurse her through that cycle transition (I just did that with Oren). Or if she had white noise to sleep, it will need to be on at least through the first sleep cycle and into the second.


Now DD was much harder, and from some of your last posts, sounds a lot like Sora. And I'm sorry to say that she either needed me to be lying with her in bed snuggled together in a pitch dark room with ROARING white noise (and this made me totally antsy, because when I am not pregnant, I can't nap), or needed to sleep in the Ergo (constantly bouncing, never being able to sit down).  And that was it. And even then she was often a cat-napper, only doing 45 minutes or less, and would be supremely cranky. (According to the No Cry Sleep Solution, which I highly recommend, babies need to go through at least 2 sleep cycles in a nap to recharge, which is at least 1.5 hours.) I never got a break for naps, not until DD was 14 months old. Except on weekends, when DH wore her for all her naps. And yes, it was the hardest 14 months of my life (except for art school) because if didn't do these things she didn't sleep day or night and screamed nonstop all day and for hours at night. And not just when she was little either - I remember it still being an issue at 10, 11, 12 months.  


But it did get better - eventually.  When she finally settled into one nap a day (14 months) that nap magically extended to be an hour and a half sometimes (she didn't start having 2+ hour naps until after 22 months) and finally. finally by herself in the bed.  


Oh, and while I was writing this, Oren woke up after just 40 minutes, even though i did go in and try to nurse him to sleep again. Now he's nursing and dozing in my lap as I type.


I hope you can figure it out! DD's sleep ruled my life for 2 years and it was SO hard.  The No-Cry Sleep Solution really helped me to understand infant sleep, and did help a bit with DD's sleep habits too. And when she got older, Raising Your Spirited Child was fantastic.


ETA: It's been days since I've read the chit chat thread, so I didn't know that Sora had chilled out. Hooray!  So maybe she doesn't sound so much like my DD after all. I'm so glad for you. And as for the moving - that reminded me that until she was 4 months we swaddled DD - but just her chest and feet. We left both her hands free. And that helped. 

Edited by KayPea - 3/2/12 at 4:39pm
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