Mothering › Groups › Unjobbing Tribe › Discussions › Hi everyone! :D Welcome!

Hi everyone! :D Welcome!

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

I had this group started to keep the Unjobbing love alive... Maybe we could get a resources/ideas thread going? It seems like the most common question/problem is "What do I do if I'm not working and how do I support us?" so maybe that would be a good place to start...

 

post #2 of 12

Hello!  

 

When getting started we began looking for ways to cut down our spending. Right now we are trying to build up passive income. Also, DH started doing his old job, but as a private contractor instead of an employee, so that freed him to have a bit more flexibility.

post #3 of 12

Hi!  I'm Carey.  It was about 11 years ago that my husband and I got to be foster parents and eventually adopt my dd, age 11.5 now.  At the time, my husband and I were both working full-time suit jobs, somewhat like careers.  We were deep in debt, but had begun to take steps to dig ourselves out.  I previously had a plan written that I would work 30 hours at home and 10 in the office.  But my bosses decided they would rewrite the plan, making it really difficult for me to stay home and work, I think because they wanted me to work full time in the office despite what they had said.  I was lamenting to my friend that I was looking for a way to figure this out.  She said, "You can just quit, right?"  Could I?  After deliberation and hoping for the best, I quit, and became a SAHM to my daughter.  I had read the book Unjobbing by Michael Fogler about six months prior.  Funny how that works out.

 

I think a good part of Unjobbing is getting your expenses down to as little as possible, and working (or bringing in income somehow) just enough to cover the basics.  Of course, it's different for everyone, so there's a lot of things Unjobbing can mean, depending on your circumstances.

 

I realized I had too much stuff and no time to play with it.  I was deep in debt, despite making far more money than I ever had in my life.  And I was depressed!  It sucked!  Part of unjobbing for me was realizing, once I quit my job, I had a lot of time, and this could be the basis of an economy to participate in.  This is the gift economy, or the economy of the community.  As I got hooked in with friends who were also unemployed and interested in investing their time (mostly artists and moms), it was amazing the abundance brought into my life from my own willingness to share my physical resources as well as my time.  For me, it really was like the story from the bible about the two loaves and five fish that fed the multitude.

 

Most people I knew then had very part-tme employment.  Some were temps, others paper boys.  Some babysat, sold crafts on Etsy, mowed yards, cleaned houses, substitute taught, and so on.  A lot of people worked under the table, and many were on welfare.  Especially for moms who wanted to stay at home, but did not have the resources to do so, welfare (at least food stamps) really helped.  I am in that category, having received food stamps and medical coverage.  Before anyone calls me out about this, this is a reality for a lot of people, an increasing amount of people as the economy continues tanking. 

 

It seems like the less I worked and money I made, the less I needed to buy things.  I tried my hardest to live up to the mantra of my depression-era grandparents that raised me, "Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without."  I learned how to dumpster dive, and was freakin amazed at what all could be gotten out of the garbage, like manna off the ground.  I simplified my life, getting rid of 2/3 of my possessions.  I grew a big garden and canned food for winter.  I learned to put on more sweaters in winter.  I replaced what I could of things I threw away with reusables (paper towels, napkins, kleenex, etc.).  Any place I spent money, I tried to figure out how to do what I needed or wanted without spending that money.

 

And it wasn't a bad experience at all.  I did not spend my days, desperately seeking ways to cut my expenses.  Most of my days were spent doing things for myself, like growing and cooking food, repairing clothes, hauling wood, playing with my kid and my friends.  Anytime someone needed help, I was there.  And it was so fun!  Sure, it might take some hours of physical activity, but there was a good time had by all, and usually good beer.

 

I did a lot of volunteer work in social justice for many of those years. I started a Food Not Lawns chapter in my town and organized a ton of skill shares, from how to start an organic garden to fermenting foods to raising goats.  I shared every piece of knowledge I had gained up to that moment, and whenever someone asked about a topic I was ignorant about, I found someone to speak.  We had a seed and plant exchange too.  I made so many contacts through FNL, it was amazing!

 

I feel I could write more about Unjobbing, like specific topics of Food, Housing, and...just about everything.  Would it be more appropriate to start separate threads?

 

carey

post #4 of 12

wave.gif Carey, we are in the same DDC.

 

I really want to read Unjobbing, but our library doesn't have it and I'm too cheap to buy it.

 

I really liked reading your story.  It reminded me that I spent my high school years unjobbing.  I played flute for weddings, and taught piano lessons in addition to babysitting, then I worked through college and until my second daughter was 6 months old.  I hated it and just quit even though we weren't positive how to make it work at the time.  Now we are trying to get DH home too.

 

We get food stamps as well, but I'm trying to garden and raise animals to help us get off of them eventually.  I read a lot of blogs about homesteading, and eco-friendly living, and minimalism and I think it's really funny when people go on these anti-consumerism projects and quit buying all this stuff we've never wanted in the first place.  We prefer our time to our stuff.
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by wellforth View Post

I feel I could write more about Unjobbing, like specific topics of Food, Housing, and...just about everything.  Would it be more appropriate to start separate threads?

 

carey


I'd loooove to read what you have to say about all those topics, no matter where it's posted. :) 

 

In regards to housing, we are thinking about turning our garage into a studio apartment and living in it to rent out the house, but we are still just trying to think it through all the way first.

post #5 of 12

I heard Unjobbing was out of print.  You would think that now would be a great time to repub. 

 

I once was told by a minimalist friend that I couldn't consider myself a "simple liver" because I was poor.  Like you, my time is valuable!  Way too valuable to spend adding to the landfill of humanity.

 

So maybe housing is a good first thread to start with!

 

carey

post #6 of 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by wellforth View Post
I once was told by a minimalist friend that I couldn't consider myself a "simple liver" because I was poor.  Like you, my time is valuable!  Way too valuable to spend adding to the landfill of humanity.

 

What?  Why?  That makes no sense.

 

Unjobbing is for sale on Amazon, but if it's out of print, that is probably why I can't find it anywhere else.

post #7 of 12

I looked him up on scribd, and Michael Fogler is on it, but doesn't have any uploads.  He should!  I wish I had some way of contacting him.  His book was really important in my life, though really, it's pretty simple.  How much do you actually make at work--your salary/hourly wage minus everything it takes to support your job (cost of transportation to work, eating out, dry cleaning/clothing, and other externalities)?  Add in the extra time you spend in addition to work (commuting, getting ready for/recovering from, lunch).  Think of what you spend in terms of how much work it took to earn it.  I remember when I did this, I was making more than I ever did, $13 an hour.  But after factoring in all the bs, I actually made $5 an hour.  Suddenly that $15 cd was absolutely NOT worth three hours of work to buy. 

 

Of course, he expounds on that a lot.  He also talks about the unimportance of having a "real" job.  I've never been concerned with that!  I accidentally found myself on some sort of career track, and regretted it.

 

My friend said I didn't have a choice in living a simple life, because if you are poor, buying stuff is not an option.  But actually, you can be poor and not live a minimalist life.  And working more than you really need to certainly does complicate things!

 

At one point in my life, I wrote for this awesome online magazine called These New Old Traditions.  I wrote an essay on unschooling and unjobbing.  I think there are several parts for readability, but here's a link to the first:

 

http://newoldtraditions.wordpress.com/2009/12/05/unschooling-unworking-confessions-of-a-stay-at-home-family-part-1-by-myra-eddy/

post #8 of 12

Awesome essay, I read all four parts.  I think I need to sit my husband down and have him calculate his REAL hourly wage.  That's funny that your friend thought that poor people don't buy stuff.  It seems to me being poor is buying stuff you can't afford in the first place.  

 

We are unschooling too.

post #9 of 12

Glad you liked the article.  Yeah, the REAL wage can be pretty unsettling. 

 

I think being poor often involves buying stuff of crap quality, buying the same thing over and over and over...

 

carey

post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 

I didn't abandon the group, don't worry...I've had some major life changes in the past week (fiance and I broke up, he moved out, I'm confused/devastated/angry/whatever) but I'm still here.

 

post #11 of 12

Wow, sorry to hear that, Pariah.  Here's to celebrating the breakthrough that eventually follows the break up.

post #12 of 12

Wanted to say hi as I just joined this tribe. I currently have a job although it's only for 10-12 hours per week. I accumulated a LOT of debt before having a change of philosophy towards work. I think I will have to keep this job until I eliminate the debt. I found "Your Money or Your Life" by Joe Dominguez and Vicki Robin to be very helpful. I read it in my 20's and then again just recently. I think there are similarities to the Michael Fogler that wellforth mentioned.

Mostly I homeschool my children and try to live (be present in) my life - I am very interested in "non- 9 to 5 job" ways to make money - have been avidly reading other posts in this group.

  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Unjobbing Tribe
Mothering › Groups › Unjobbing Tribe › Discussions › Hi everyone! :D Welcome!