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Poll Results: what factors caused you to initially questions vaccines?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 0% (0)
    My child has a medical condition that precludes vaccination (does not include vaccine reactions)
  • 8% (10)
    I believe my child had an adverse vaccine reaction
  • 10% (12)
    Within my extended family, there are medical issues that I believe might make vaccines a bad idea for us
  • 5% (7)
    I have a friend/friends who have a child that had an adverse reaction
  • 10% (12)
    I am holistically minded - vaccines were never really on my radar
  • 24% (29)
    I was fully expecting to vaccinate or never gave it much thought - when I saw or read something that made me think twice.
  • 23% (28)
    I research all medical decision (short of an emergency) concerning my children - be it Vit. K., antibiotics or vaccines.
  • 6% (8)
    Something happened ( incident or discussion) with a medical personnel that caused me to rethink things.
  • 10% (13)
    other
119 Total Votes  
post #21 of 47

I'm allergic to the Hep B vaccine, and have spent 2/3rds of my life messed up from it, so when I got pregnant with my first child I knew that I didn't want her to get the hep b shot in the hospital at only a few hours old. I started researching it because I wanted to know if she was likely to be allergic to it as well since I am, and also researching if I could decline giving it till she was older. I was scared to give it to her so young when I'd had bad reactions to the first 2 shots of it I got at 7. I was told not to ever get the 3rd one because I would probably die. Anyway, my research went from there, I didn't really find out much about if she was likely to be allergic to it too, but I found so much interesting bad things abut vaccines that i just couldn't give them to her. I was scared at first because everyone says your baby will die if you don't vaccinate, but the more I read the more I believed that was a bull statement and that vaccines were more dangerous. Plus I could never get the thought out of my head that she wouldn't be able to tell me if she was reacting and that she'd likely die at 6 months if she was allergic like me(since I was told not to get the third dose, and since she'd have got her 3rd dose at 6 months if she was on schedule. My reaction was way worse the second dose, but it wasn't so much noticeable on to others so it would have been easy to pass off as nothing in a baby.). Now I never will, if I can help it, vaccinate my children :) I don't want them to go through want I have or anything worse.

post #22 of 47

I have always very selectively vaxxed my dogs and horses and been rewarded with happy and very healthy animals. It made sense to apply the same to a baby and look at what is really necessary.

post #23 of 47

I read 'A Shot in the Dark' while pregnant with my son and so much of it described the way my husband was so sick as a little boy. He also very clearly remembers reacting to other vaccinations given to him when he was older.

post #24 of 47

I'm questioning now because my child got the chicken pox vaccine last week and a few days later he has little blistery things all over his body that DO look like chicken pox even though he is not itching.  No one told me that would happen!! He was healthy when we went in and now he has a terrible rash...how does that make sense?? Sorry to hijack the thread but has anyone else had an experience like that??

post #25 of 47

Dr. Worm, 

 the cp vax can and does cause chicken pox infection. Most live virus vaccines can cause the infection in the recipient and/or shed the virus to others. Oral polio was pulled from market in US because it was infecting kids with paralytic polio, and could and did infect unvaccinated people. Mothers receiving MMR after birth can transmit rubella virus through their breastmilk to their babies and even cause clinical infection (as per MMR II product insert. No info on how often that happens). Many live virus product inserts state that children being vaxed with them should NOT be around immuno-suppressed individuals because of shedding. Vaxed kids can spread vpd because they were recently vaxed.

DTaP does not always prevent pertussis infection or transmission, the vaxed person probably won't realize they have pertussis and are spreading it.

 

A lot of the cp "outbreaks" are originating from vaccinated kids. Ironically, the thread right next to this one is talking about this:

http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1348760/chicken-pox-titer#post_16926725

 

No one told you that would happen because they aren't really required to tell you much at all:

 

Quote:
In addition to broad liability protection, the 1986 Law also provides another shield to manufacturers under federal law. (48) The 1986 Law permits them the right to not disclose known risks to parents or guardians of those being vaccinated. Resting on the "learned intermediary" doctrine, manufacturers bear no liability for giving, or failing to give accurate or complete information to those vaccinated, and have only to provide relevant information to doctors, who must give patients CDC Vaccination Information Statements.(49)

http://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1681&context=pelr (quote on pg 9).

 

I hope your DS feels better soon. You are NOT alone.

post #26 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by slmommy View Post

Dr. Worm, 

 the cp vax can and does cause chicken pox infection. Most live virus vaccines can cause the infection in the recipient and/or shed the virus to others. Oral polio was pulled from market in US because it was infecting kids with paralytic polio, and could and did infect unvaccinated people. Mothers receiving MMR after birth can transmit rubella virus through their breastmilk to their babies and even cause clinical infection (as per MMR II product insert. No info on how often that happens). Many live virus product inserts state that children being vaxed with them should NOT be around immuno-suppressed individuals because of shedding. Vaxed kids can spread vpd because they were recently vaxed.

DTaP does not always prevent pertussis infection or transmission, the vaxed person probably won't realize they have pertussis and are spreading it.

 

A lot of the cp "outbreaks" are originating from vaccinated kids. Ironically, the thread right next to this one is talking about this:

http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1348760/chicken-pox-titer#post_16926725

 

No one told you that would happen because they aren't really required to tell you much at all:

 

http://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1681&context=pelr (quote on pg 9).

 

I hope your DS feels better soon. You are NOT alone.



Thank you sooo much and I will check out that other thread.  I am so upset right now.  I don't know what to do...my ds is in daycare and my dd is in public school so I have vaccinated.  This is making me question everything.  Thanks so much for the well wishes and info...I will check out that other thread.  Yeah. I read the damn papers they give and it said  "possibly a mild rash."  This was FJ^*^*&(  blisters.  I feel so stupid. 

 

post #27 of 47

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http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdf

 

It looks like on page 9 they say about 3% get "rash" and 1 dose, and I believe it is 5% after 2 doses.

 

Page 7

Quote:
Post-marketing experience suggests that transmission of vaccine virus may occur rarely between 
healthy vaccinees who develop a varicella-like rash  and healthy susceptible contacts. Transmission of 
vaccine virus from a mother who did not develop a varicella-like rash to her newborn infant has also been 
reported. 
Therefore, vaccine recipients should attempt to avoid, whenever possible,  close association with 
susceptible high-risk individuals for up to six weeks. In circumstances where contact with high-risk 
individuals is unavoidable, the potential risk of transmission of vaccine virus should be weighed against the 
risk of acquiring and transmitting natural varicella virus. Susceptible high-risk individuals include: 
• immunocompromised individuals 
• pregnant women without documented history of chickenpox or  laboratory evidence of prior 
infection 
• newborn infants of mothers without documented history of chickenpox or laboratory evidence of 
prior infection and all newborn infants born at <28 weeks gestation regardless of maternal varicella 
immunity

 

Did you get cp as a kid?

post #28 of 47

Thanks for the hug!!  I actually got cp a few years back. 

post #29 of 47

I can't believe they have the right not to warn parents of this stuff.  AARRGH

post #30 of 47

Just out of curiousity... do you know about how many pox he has? the product insert said the median number was 5 for the "rash."

 

This is a really common criticism here - a lot of the clinical trials they do are not in large enough samples to really give accurate numbers about reactions, essentially the real experiments are conducted after vaccine approval... but no one is recording that or even admitting/diagnosing issues. The clinical trials also do not use true placebos but other vaccines, older vaccines, or just the adjuvants. 

 

Did you call your pedi? what did they say? Try not to freak out too much about questioning everything... lots of time for that after your son is better if you still feel that way.

post #31 of 47

On the weekend he had one on his bum when I was changing him.  My mom and I thought it was just a pimple.  He got a few more after that and now he has them all over...not sure exactly how many but definitely more than five.  I didn't freak out cause we looked in The Portable Pediatrician by Dr. Sears and he said it was normal.  But is it really? Trying not to freak.  He hasn't been acting sick or itchy at all...running around and laughing like usual.

post #32 of 47

1) I grew up on a farm, with lots of different x.  We always vaxxed our calves, but not until they were at least 6-7  months old.  When I compared the growth/maturity curve of calves to humans, I couldn't figure out why we vax our babies with so many more, and so much sooner, than we did our calves.  (Beef cattle are generally expecting their first baby at only about 18 months, when was the last time you saw an 18 month old human baby pregnant?!)  In the same vein, realizing how much more careful vets are about over-vaxxing cats and dogs than drs. about children was a big wake-up call.

 

2) Our pastor's wife at the time was also a public health nurse.  She pointed out to me that babies receive the same dosage of vaccine that older children and adults get.  That scared me, and was a turning point for DH.

 

3)  I had a couple of close friends who chose not to vax their children.  Their children were super healthy almost all the time, and never on abx.  Seeing that first-hand helped convince DH and me that vaxxing our children was not the best route for keeping our children healthy.

 

4) A general sense that injecting toxins into a still-developing immune system is probably not the best way to prime that system for optimal life-time function.

 

 

 

post #33 of 47

My #2 son had a reaction to his 4-month shots (which did NOT include the CP shot), where he had oozing blisters all over his body. They did not look like chicken pox, though. The reason I mention this is two-fold:

1) both pediatric dermatologists who saw him told me that vaccines can cause many different kinds of of severe skin reactions (the first one also told me not to give him ANYTHING but breastmilk until the rash went away--no new foods whatsoever, not even rice cereal; as he was only 4 months old, he hadn't HAD anything but breastmilk at that point)

 

2) This reaction apparently somehow triggered celiac disease.  Although he was not getting any wheat in his diet, and I even went off both dairy, gluten, and the other top allergens while he was nursing him), somehow there was a distinct link there that both pediatrician and dermatologist acknowledged, but said that they didn't understand it, either.

 

His rash never really went away.  It did recede signficantly after several months, until it was just on the inside of his elbows, the back of his knees, and the back of his neck.  That stayed for YEARS.  We joked about his "dragon hide" (it looked terrible, all oozing and blistery and red), and I tried every steroid cream on it known to man; none of them did anything except to make my fingertips numb.

 

But when he was 7, we discovered that taking him off gluten resulted in the rash disappearing completely.  Up til that point, we had not had any reason to suspect gluten intolerance or celiac; we had given him wheat when he was about 14 months old, and we never saw a reaction.  But we also didn't eat wheat like the typical Western family, either--rice has always been the starch of choice here.

 

We did 2 wheat challenges on him, both times without telling him.  Both times, his rash came back.  All 3 times that we took him off 100%, the rash disappeared.

 

When we went back to the dermatologist, he said that that was a better test than any lab could come up with, and that he did not need to do additional testing; in his experience, only celiac disease/dermatitis herpetiformis (a skin form of celiac)  behaved that way, and it also explained why the steroid creams didn't work.

 

Sorry for the long post, and also apologies if this is a bit of a hijack. I just thought that anyone concerned about vaccines and resultant rashes might somehow benefit from knowing what happened to my child, even if it's not the same thing as a CP-vaccine-induced case of CP.  There's always the chance that gluten might be playing a role along with the vaccine. 

post #34 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by gardenmommy View Post

 

2) Our pastor's wife at the time was also a public health nurse.  She pointed out to me that babies receive the same dosage of vaccine that older children and adults get.  

 

 

 



Not only that, but my oldest, who was only 4 1/2 pounds, was vaxxed according to schedule--and as you point out, the dosage is not varied by weight. So his birth dose of hep B gave him a relatively huge amount of mercury.  AND he had a family history of mercury allergy, which the doctors knew.  shake.gif

post #35 of 47

I had heard that hep B and vit k were not good at birth and so i refused vit k until we were leaving the hospital and he has never had the hep B shot. At his two month appointment they gave him five shots in two injections(DTaP and something else) and he SCREAMED(not the usual baby cry, he *screamed*) for two days refusing to nurse and was so tired he would fall asleep screaming, whimper for a second and wake up screaming again.... For TWO DAYS! On baby Tylenol... After that i waited six months avoiding the doctors office and finally brought him to the doc's saying ONE at a time(at 8 mo). Six weeks apart at the least, excluding Hep B, Flu, and CP. So hes up to date for a six month old (besides the hep B). After having to switch doctors and getting kicked out of my current doctors office for not complying with their shots rule, and doing a very large study on the rest of the diseases they have vaxes for i decided he will not get another shot.

post #36 of 47
http://aut.sagepub.com/content/12/3/293.short "Acetaminophen use after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination was significantly associated with autistic disorder when considering children 5 years of age or less." http://vaccinedangers.com.au/2012/04/babies-sleep-better-if-they-are-drugged-and-vaccinated-in-the-afternoon/ "SideEffects.com states: Despite Tylenol’s seemingly ‘safe’ impression, it has NOT been tested with the randomized double-blind placebo-controlled studies, known as RCT’s, that doctors and scientists SAY they require in order to determine if something is safe. If Tylenol were brought onto the market as a new drug right now, researchers would say that there is just not evidence to declare its safety for use in children. Yet, we take it for granted that we are doing the best thing for our children by giving them Tylenol when they have a fever or are in pain. But children HAVE died of liver failure, or been put on the transplant list, from ‘recommended’ dosages of Tylenol. And in fact, the FDA’s scientific consultants recommended, in 2007, that the FDA recommend that children under 6 years old NOT receive Tylenol- the FDA chose to ignore their scientific consultants in this matter." http://seattlemamadoc.seattlechildrens.org/if-it-were-my-child-no-tylenol-before-shots/ "If it were my child: no Tylenol before shots."
post #37 of 47

*deleted because someone is taking posts and making fun of them at another site*
 


Edited by SouthernMomma - 5/23/12 at 3:56pm
post #38 of 47
I think the thing that initially made me question vaccines was that I was never vaccinated. My parents used a religious excemption for me to attend public school. So, I already knew that there were other options/opinions about vaccination. When I found out that I was pregnant, my first thought was that I wanted to vaccinate for everything! I got pertussis when I was in elementary school, measles when I was in middle school and mumps when I was in high school. It was miserable to have each of those diseases. I wanted to avoid that for my child by giving her the vaccine, but I researched the issue myself and decided to do selective and delayed vaccination.
post #39 of 47

i came upon a PDR in the late 80's, and looked up stats, and was intrigued by the whole issue of immunity.  

post #40 of 47
I think it started when they added CP to the schedule. It just seemed ludicrous. Then I heard about the Wakefield study, and that made me really start to question and research things.
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