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Not sure I'd get an Ergo if you already have a MT.  I'd spend the money on something different, honestly.  They're just so similar.

 

 



I found the ergo much better then a mei tai, much easier to put on and more comfortable with a heavier baby... I ended up selling the mei tai... but and now thinking about getting a becco because it seems better for petite mamas.... so having 2 of the same thing isn't necessarily bad :)

 

A pouch and a sling are very similar, but good for different things.... yk?

post #102 of 137

I keep meaning to post, and never get around to it! I'm too tired to do a whole update/summary now, and not much new is going on, anyway - I'm almost 31 weeks, everything is going okay, some back pain, need a bigger bra, DH has been awesome.

 

This thread does touch on something that I've thought about for a while here, though, and I'd like to offer another newcomer-ish perspective. I never posted on MDC before joining this due date club. I specifically chose this site, though, rather than babycenter or thebump or the ten zillion other "mainstream" parenting sites out there, though, because I wanted to come to a place where I could talk about cloth diapering, homebirth, babywearing, attachment parenting, simple living, etc., and just get treated like I'm, well, normal. I  have lots of friends with kids, but most of them are not doing most of the things I plan to do. When I talk with many people IRL about my plans, I get some weird responses (examples: Homebirth - "Wow, I've never heard of that before!"; Cloth diapering - "But isn't that worse for the environment because you have to use water to wash them?" Co-sleeping - "But they'll never want to leave your bed!", etc.).

 

I think everyone should feel welcome here, but I don't think there should be pressure to make sure this site is super-mainstream or feel like we need separate AP threads, just because people who feel uncomfortable when their ideas & values are challenged. My understanding was that Mothering magazine was all about AP, being environmentally conscious, etc. , and this what this site was originally created for - to discuss AP related stuff. I'm really grateful that there is a place where I can get some of my "non-mainstream" parenting ideas validated, as well as learn some new information & get my own ideas challenged - I was really grateful when two mamas on here strongly advised me against getting a used car-seat! 

 

Anyway, I'm tired and rambling. I just want to express my gratitude that there is a site that was created for the purpose of being supportive to "crunchy" mamas like myself, amongst a vast sea of  more "mainstream" sites, and I hope that doesn't change. I value each and every one of you ladies' input - I've learned so much from all of you.grouphug.gif

post #103 of 137

Totally think you are spot on Saguaro!

 

 

I have a question - I haven't really been working out this pregnancy cause of general busy crap that distracts me.

Is it too late to start at this point? I should still see benefit right?

post #104 of 137
Saguaro ~ well said! I agree 100% :-)

Onemore~ I'm in the same boat. I haven't really worked out but now I'm thinking I need to start. I'm not going to start anything too strenuous but waking and a yoga DVD should be good. I don't think its ever too late to start!
post #105 of 137

I stopped a lot of my exercise around the holidays. Just recently I started going back to the gym. I feel so much better. Yesterday I overdid it slighty and had some muscle aches I didn't need but some of my mental fog has lifted. Today I feel great.

 

Not good enough to go to the St. Pat's parade however. I'm more concerned about unknown potty options than crowds or distant parking. My oldest daughter is not happy. 

post #106 of 137

Potty options.  That's so funny.  I was just grumbling to myself today about why busineses can't just keep the big handicap stall clean.  It's getting hard to make due with the normal size ones these days!

 

Sagaru...exactly.  Casmer, this pretty well sums it up.  If I need a tooth fixed, I go to the dentist.  If I need groceries, I go to the grocery store.  And, if I want a crunchy opinion, I came here.  But, now it frequently feels like the crunchier have to constantly defend themselves and explain how they are being tolerant, and preface everything, etc.  There ought be a safe place for crunchies! lol.  Onemore...I've been around since 2005.  Things were moderated pretty heavily then, but not as much as you are talking about.  There was a pretty big exodus of the very crunchy in late 2006 that really disappointed me...lots of wisdom was banned/left at that time.  I guess, I was thankful for the purity of the site.  I knew what I was getting when I came here, and if I wanted something else, I would go somewhere else.  I can see how it could have been harmful to some people, but I was always looking for things outside of my comfort zone, and I knew it didn't make me inadequate...it was just a quest for information.  Anyway, I hope that the crunchy people come back, or that I can find them somewhere. 

 

And, uhm...I'm going to have to throw out there that jumperoo's aren't good for the baby's back, either... :)  Spine compression, crotch dangling, and supporting the baby upright before they have their own muscle control is all very bad for muscle and spine development, and can even effect things like organs and vision.  I don't use any baby gadgets for mostly those reasons.  My babies are worn or on their belly on the floor.  (Or, playing with me or someone in various other positions.)

 

But, I will confess to letting several fall off our (rather high) bed.  And getting one's head stuck under the edge of the carseat when changing her diaper in the seat beside it.  She screamed terribly and had an awful scratch on her tiny head.  I'm sure there's more.  Stuff happens.

 

 

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(Double post, sorry)

 

post #108 of 137
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I stopped a lot of my exercise around the holidays. Just recently I started going back to the gym. I feel so much better. Yesterday I overdid it slighty and had some muscle aches I didn't need but some of my mental fog has lifted. Today I feel great.

 

Not good enough to go to the St. Pat's parade however. I'm more concerned about unknown potty options than crowds or distant parking. My oldest daughter is not happy. 


Potty options! *groan*  I freelance (editing) and usually make my workspace at a cafe.  Not lately.  I need easy access to the toilet and can't be packing up the computer every time I need to go.  It's hard for me to focus at home, but the potty options are taking priority.

 

And I have to stake out a place near the door for yoga classes because I *will* have to make a dash to the locker room at least once.

 

post #109 of 137
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And, if I want a crunchy opinion, I came here.  But, now it frequently feels like the crunchier have to constantly defend themselves and explain how they are being tolerant, and preface everything, etc.  There ought be a safe place for crunchies! lol.  Onemore...I've been around since 2005.  Things were moderated pretty heavily then, but not as much as you are talking about.  There was a pretty big exodus of the very crunchy in late 2006 that really disappointed me...lots of wisdom was banned/left at that time.  I guess, I was thankful for the purity of the site.  I knew what I was getting when I came here, and if I wanted something else, I would go somewhere else.  I can see how it could have been harmful to some people, but I was always looking for things outside of my comfort zone, and I knew it didn't make me inadequate...it was just a quest for information.  Anyway, I hope that the crunchy people come back, or that I can find them somewhere. 

 

I'm not sure what boards you're reading, lol, but I have never seen a crunchy mom have to defend herself for a crunchy viewpoint at MDC.

 

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And, uhm...I'm going to have to throw out there that jumperoo's aren't good for the baby's back, either... :)  Spine compression, crotch dangling, and supporting the baby upright before they have their own muscle control is all very bad for muscle and spine development, and can even effect things like organs and vision.  I don't use any baby gadgets for mostly those reasons.  My babies are worn or on their belly on the floor.  (Or, playing with me or someone in various other positions.)

 

 

Oh, for crying out loud.

 

Ok, on that note I shall take my leave of this DDC. Best of luck everyone!

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*crickets*

 

 

Anyways, Just1more --- Never really heard of any of that with the Jumperoo but thank you for the information. I am assuming some of that depends on how often and how long and where the babe is developmentally when you use it. Either way, good to research and know.

 

Also, I left in 2006. I still felt the moderation was extreme at that time, but it was not the same climate as in 2003. For instance there was a whole subforum on how to manage family cloth (instead of toilet paper) with that being not eyebrow raising in itself...but you also had the Mangomama drama going on which was.

Now I'm curious what caused the exodus lol

 

There was a site called Trolls with wooden spoons that a lot of the crunchy folks went to. I was not impressed with it at all, personally. But I really loved some of the posters there who were also mods.

 

 

 

post #111 of 137


Are the jumparoos the same as the johnny jump ups?  I wonder how long you would have to leave baby in there for it to be damaging?  That's a weird question, but I really hope you know what I mean :)  Would the baby want to even be in the thing long enough for it to be a concern?  It just seems like if hip and spinal damage could occur that baby would be uncomfortable and you would know? 

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Totally think you are spot on Saguaro!

 

 

I have a question - I haven't really been working out this pregnancy cause of general busy crap that distracts me.

Is it too late to start at this point? I should still see benefit right?


 

I would think as long as you listen to your body (stop when you need to, etc), you're probably fine.  Of course, make sure you're drinking plenty of water and have snacks on hand.  I walk a lot and will sporadically go to the gym.  For instance, when I stare at my bicycle too long, I'll go ride the stationery one...I miss my real bicycle :(  I'll usually just keep it on the easiest level and I still feel like I got a good workout in.  If the weather is bad, I will walk on the treadmill and add a small incline. 

 

Last week I started doing some weights. Just upper body stuff.  I'm really concerned about being a little weakling when baby comes.  My friend assured me that I'd grow some arm muscles from holding baby :)  I just did really light weights and more reps, at the time I didn't really feel like I was doing anything, but I could tell that I had done it the next day.  And when I say weights, I mean the machines.  I don't think I'd trust myself with any sort of free-weights.  You also need to make sure you breathe nice and deep...no valsalva maneuver.

 

I mostly just walk though.  This past week for SXSW, I had to have walked at least 4 miles each day!  Surprisingly, I didn't feel like death.  DH and I did take a 3-hour nap today and we've decided to stay home tonight.  I think we just got old :)

 

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I think they are the same concept. Only seen pics of the Jump ups.

I think it may be a common sense/vigilant parent (ofcourse accidents happen!) issue, but I haven't researched it only going off of anecdotal experience with my 3.

 

I never used the Jumperoo until my babes could sit up on their own and I also had extemely early walkers and 9-10 pound babies at birth so...

 

I never left the babe in it without them having fun, and of course if they didn't want to go in - they didn't. Attachment parenting is paying attention to your babes ques (my philosophy) so I don't think they ever played in there longer than 30 minutes - maybe 40 tops and it was also only useful for about hmm 4 months maybe? Of course, it was wonderful for those 4 months. LOL

 

 

Thank you for the advice on a work out program. :) I'm a little late, but good to know not TOO late.

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Are the jumparoos the same as the johnny jump ups?  I wonder how long you would have to leave baby in there for it to be damaging?  That's a weird question, but I really hope you know what I mean :)  Would the baby want to even be in the thing long enough for it to be a concern?  It just seems like if hip and spinal damage could occur that baby would be uncomfortable and you would know? 


 

I would think as long as you listen to your body (stop when you need to, etc), you're probably fine.  Of course, make sure you're drinking plenty of water and have snacks on hand.  I walk a lot and will sporadically go to the gym.  For instance, when I stare at my bicycle too long, I'll go ride the stationery one...I miss my real bicycle :(  I'll usually just keep it on the easiest level and I still feel like I got a good workout in.  If the weather is bad, I will walk on the treadmill and add a small incline. 

 

Last week I started doing some weights. Just upper body stuff.  I'm really concerned about being a little weakling when baby comes.  My friend assured me that I'd grow some arm muscles from holding baby :)  I just did really light weights and more reps, at the time I didn't really feel like I was doing anything, but I could tell that I had done it the next day.  And when I say weights, I mean the machines.  I don't think I'd trust myself with any sort of free-weights.  You also need to make sure you breathe nice and deep...no valsalva maneuver.

 

I mostly just walk though.  This past week for SXSW, I had to have walked at least 4 miles each day!  Surprisingly, I didn't feel like death.  DH and I did take a 3-hour nap today and we've decided to stay home tonight.  I think we just got old :)

 



 

post #113 of 137
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And, uhm...I'm going to have to throw out there that jumperoo's aren't good for the baby's back, either... :)  Spine compression, crotch dangling, and supporting the baby upright before they have their own muscle control is all very bad for muscle and spine development, and can even effect things like organs and vision.  I don't use any baby gadgets for mostly those reasons.  My babies are worn or on their belly on the floor.  (Or, playing with me or someone in various other positions.)

 


 


I think that really depends on the baby... My 2 yo loves to be held upright and jump in my lap over and over again.  He was pulling up and cruising really early... he crawled at 4 months and walked at 9-- so he could have totally rocked out in a jumperoo and been fine.  Not all babies are the same. 

 

post #114 of 137

I was going to add when my  babes did that too, but didn't want to appear to be a braggart or exaggerater.

My spec needs daughter was running by 7 months..the other two were 9  11 monthsduh.gif hoping this one is more like 11 months
 

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I think that really depends on the baby... My 2 yo loves to be held upright and jump in my lap over and over again.  He was pulling up and cruising really early... he crawled at 4 months and walked at 9-- so he could have totally rocked out in a jumperoo and been fine.  Not all babies are the same. 

 



 

post #115 of 137
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I was going to add when my  babes did that too, but didn't want to appear to be a braggart or exaggerater.

My spec needs daughter was running by 7 months..the other two were 9  11 monthsduh.gif hoping this one is more like 11 months
 



 



yeah!  I hope this one stays a baby for a bit longer, too! 

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I'm not sure what boards you're reading, lol, but I have never seen a crunchy mom have to defend herself for a crunchy viewpoint at MDC.


(disclaimer) my activity on MDC has been limited mostly to the TTC and pregnancy forums and this DDC, and I've only been around since August or so as a registered user (though I read the board for natural living type topics for years). but only on this DDC have I seen people have to defend themselves for taking non-mainstream approaches. I'm not saying that it's an overarching theme here, but it has happened. so it's not as if push-back doesn't exist. 

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Call me blind ---- but I didn't see any one having any sense of discord until this thread?

the only thing I have seen is a bit of feather rufflng on the vax thread and some people taken offense because they are choosing to do things different.

 

I have a really hard time breastfeeding. When I say "really hard time" I mean - my skin starts crawling, I get angry (which I am so not that kind of person) and I get resentful. I get touched out and just absolutely hate it. The whole loving nursing relationship has eluded me in the past.

I have never made it past 10 days of full time bfing before supplementing with a bottle. I was trying to explain this to the WIC lady a couple weeks ago about why I felt I needed a pump. That way I can pump in case that happens. With my last I pumped for 6 months (fully) with no formula, but I just couldn't breast feed.

The WIC lady said "You need to learn to not be such a wimp."

 

I cant stand the lady in the first place, but my  jaw was on the floor when she said that.

Now being a fourth time Mom I am doing the best I can to prepare for a good bf'ing relationship, but I also know that a failure of one is not going to make me quit visiting with you ladies and does not mean I am a bad mom. 

If any of you were to have the 'she's a wimp' opinion of me than that's on you, not me. But, I know with my first time baby and even my second ---- people having that opinion of me when I was still trying to 'forgive myself' would have caused me to be defensive also..and sometimes people can be just plain insensitive.

 

 

 

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Call me blind ---- but I didn't see any one having any sense of discord until this thread?

the only thing I have seen is a bit of feather rufflng on the vax thread and some people taken offense because they are choosing to do things different.

 

I have a really hard time breastfeeding. When I say "really hard time" I mean - my skin starts crawling, I get angry (which I am so not that kind of person) and I get resentful. I get touched out and just absolutely hate it. The whole loving nursing relationship has eluded me in the past.

I have never made it past 10 days of full time bfing before supplementing with a bottle. I was trying to explain this to the WIC lady a couple weeks ago about why I felt I needed a pump. That way I can pump in case that happens. With my last I pumped for 6 months (fully) with no formula, but I just couldn't breast feed.

The WIC lady said "You need to learn to not be such a wimp."

 

I cant stand the lady in the first place, but my  jaw was on the floor when she said that.

Now being a fourth time Mom I am doing the best I can to prepare for a good bf'ing relationship, but I also know that a failure of one is not going to make me quit visiting with you ladies and does not mean I am a bad mom. 

If any of you were to have the 'she's a wimp' opinion of me than that's on you, not me. But, I know with my first time baby and even my second ---- people having that opinion of me when I was still trying to 'forgive myself' would have caused me to be defensive also..and sometimes people can be just plain insensitive.

 

 

 




I think that is more common (the skin crawling feeling! ) then it is openly discussed. I think it is sensory/hormonal-- I have felt that way while nursing and it is a terrible feeling!

 

The vax thread was kind of argumentative.... but that seems to be the way the vax discussion goes.  I think it wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't on the internet where you can't really hear people's tone, etc. And see their expression.

 

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Call me blind ---- but I didn't see any one having any sense of discord until this thread?

the only thing I have seen is a bit of feather rufflng on the vax thread and some people taken offense because they are choosing to do things different.

 

I have a really hard time breastfeeding. When I say "really hard time" I mean - my skin starts crawling, I get angry (which I am so not that kind of person) and I get resentful. I get touched out and just absolutely hate it. The whole loving nursing relationship has eluded me in the past.

I have never made it past 10 days of full time bfing before supplementing with a bottle. I was trying to explain this to the WIC lady a couple weeks ago about why I felt I needed a pump. That way I can pump in case that happens. With my last I pumped for 6 months (fully) with no formula, but I just couldn't breast feed.

The WIC lady said "You need to learn to not be such a wimp."

 

I cant stand the lady in the first place, but my  jaw was on the floor when she said that.

Now being a fourth time Mom I am doing the best I can to prepare for a good bf'ing relationship, but I also know that a failure of one is not going to make me quit visiting with you ladies and does not mean I am a bad mom. 

If any of you were to have the 'she's a wimp' opinion of me than that's on you, not me. But, I know with my first time baby and even my second ---- people having that opinion of me when I was still trying to 'forgive myself' would have caused me to be defensive also..and sometimes people can be just plain insensitive.

 

 

 



WOW!  That is incredibly insensitive, disrespectful, rude...could go on and on.  I think it's awesome that you're planning ahead on trying to get a pump.  There's no reason you should have to forgive yourself for anything, but I understand where you're coming from.  A good friend had to have a c-section and she'll occasionally reference her "mourning period" when she realized that she wouldn't be able to even attempt a vaginal delivery.  I think sometimes we can be made to feel like we're a failure if our body is unable to do what it "naturally should do".  That's not cool and shouldn't be tolerated...even in the crunchiest of forums. 

 

I am sorry if anyone feels picked on.  I felt that in regards to baby carriers, baby wearing, just "stuff" in general that no one was rude about what they had to say.  I can see how it would be hard to feel constantly reminded that you're not picking the right stuff, but at the same time I would want to know.  Those companies spend a lot of $$ marketing their products, so it's nice to get honest feedback IMO.  I don't think anyone was rude about their recommendations.  I don't understand why we now have people wanting to leave the DDC because they were told a particular product isn't safe?  Again, I felt like those gentle reminders were polite.  I'm honestly confused...

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FM - on the skin crawling - How long did yours last for and how did you push through it??

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