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Aww thanks Casmer  - but really...I said enough four and five letter words in my head towards her that I am pretty sure I broke the second commandment thus --- shouldn't harp on it and just forgive the lady already. LOL

 

I don't know about the leaving the DDC - maybe we are all just nut.gif with hormones at the moment..I am sure every one is working it out behind the scenes as we speak.

 

Maybe we should just have FM start next weeks thread .;)

 

 

ETA: WIC lady DID give me her cell phone number so post partum I could call her if I needed nursing help. I won't tell you exactly what I thought at that moment either...but...if I report the negative I have to report the positive. lol

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WOW!  That is incredibly insensitive, disrespectful, rude...could go on and on.  I think it's awesome that you're planning ahead on trying to get a pump.  There's no reason you should have to forgive yourself for anything, but I understand where you're coming from.  A good friend had to have a c-section and she'll occasionally reference her "mourning period" when she realized that she wouldn't be able to even attempt a vaginal delivery.  I think sometimes we can be made to feel like we're a failure if our body is unable to do what it "naturally should do".  That's not cool and shouldn't be tolerated...even in the crunchiest of forums. 

 

I am sorry if anyone feels picked on.  I felt that in regards to baby carriers, baby wearing, just "stuff" in general that no one was rude about what they had to say.  I can see how it would be hard to feel constantly reminded that you're not picking the right stuff, but at the same time I would want to know.  Those companies spend a lot of $$ marketing their products, so it's nice to get honest feedback IMO.  I don't think anyone was rude about their recommendations.  I don't understand why we now have people wanting to leave the DDC because they were told a particular product isn't safe?  Again, I felt like those gentle reminders were polite.  I'm honestly confused...



 

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I think that is more common (the skin crawling feeling! ) then it is openly discussed. I think it is sensory/hormonal-- I have felt that way while nursing and it is a terrible feeling!

 

The vax thread was kind of argumentative.... but that seems to be the way the vax discussion goes.  I think it wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't on the internet where you can't really hear people's tone, etc. And see their expression.

 

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I agree.  I felt that way with DD.  I made it about 4 weeks before I gave up.  I just couldn't do it anymore.  Part of it was that I was depressed.  And part of it was that I didn't know what the hell I was doing, and I didn't have good support.  And of course, the hormones.  I'm praying things are different this time.  I've been reading a lot on proper latch, and plan to make sure I have some good support in place in case I need it.  Plus, SO is really supportive of bf'ing so that will help a lot too.  My ex was not, at all.  It made it really difficult.

 



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WOW!  That is incredibly insensitive, disrespectful, rude...could go on and on.  I think it's awesome that you're planning ahead on trying to get a pump.  There's no reason you should have to forgive yourself for anything, but I understand where you're coming from.  A good friend had to have a c-section and she'll occasionally reference her "mourning period" when she realized that she wouldn't be able to even attempt a vaginal delivery.  I think sometimes we can be made to feel like we're a failure if our body is unable to do what it "naturally should do".  That's not cool and shouldn't be tolerated...even in the crunchiest of forums. 

 

I am sorry if anyone feels picked on.  I felt that in regards to baby carriers, baby wearing, just "stuff" in general that no one was rude about what they had to say.  I can see how it would be hard to feel constantly reminded that you're not picking the right stuff, but at the same time I would want to know.  Those companies spend a lot of $$ marketing their products, so it's nice to get honest feedback IMO.  I don't think anyone was rude about their recommendations.  I don't understand why we now have people wanting to leave the DDC because they were told a particular product isn't safe?  Again, I felt like those gentle reminders were polite.  I'm honestly confused...


Agreed.  I love to learn everything I can before making a decision (even ordering something at a new restaurant is a process. lol).  So I don't really understand that closed minded/head in the sand mentality.  I could see getting defensive if someone said, "You're such a horrible person for even thinking of putting your baby in that!"  But no one has ever said anything like that here. Information is put out there, people are free to do what they want with it.  I don't see how that's a problem.  shrug.gif  If someone told me a product I was going to use wasn't safe, I'd go research it myself and draw my own conclusion.  No biggie.

 

 

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FM - on the skin crawling - How long did yours last for and how did you push through it??



It would happen when I felt really anxious/pissed off/exhausted and would last a few minutes.  I think it is hormone shift related because it is how I would feel while nursing a toddler and I would get pregnant with the next baby.  Like I felt like I couldn't have a baby on me and I wanted to push the baby off of me immediately!  Almost like a claustrophobia. 

 

What works with a newborn tiny tiny post partum for me was: good nutrition, reduction of stress, and skin to skin contact with baby.  Also side-lying nursing, so the baby is next to you and not on you seems to help with me, at least relieving the crushing feeling. I get stressed out by lots of noise (hahaha, why I have 4 almost 5 kids I don't know... I guess I am crazy!) so having a calm environment helps, too.

 

But honestly, if nursing makes you feel bad, I think it is good to take a break. If skin to skin contact, or taking a bath with baby doesn't help, then pumping and bottlefeeding is awesome, too!  And *any* amount of nursing is better then no nursing at all. 

 

Knowing your limits and not doing the mommy guilt thing is better for everyone. 

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I'm also hoping for a better bfing outcome this time too.  My problems were due to Raynaud's which causes extremely painful vasospasms of the nipple.  I have ended up pumping full-time shortly after baby was born for about 9 months and a freezer full of breastmilk which took us far beyond that.  This time I've been recommended to try a prescription that I didn't know about before and I am really hoping it works out so that I can breastfeed.

 

I think on the jumperoo and other products thing, it's also about *how* something is said and perhaps getting a feeling like we are bad moms for using those products.  I honestly don't think using it for short periods during the day when baby is older (I think mine were around 5-6 mo., sitting up, scooting, etc). is going to cause baby harm.  I used exersaucers for my older two and the jumperoo for my youngest and none of my kids had that sort of problem.

 

Sandy---Come back!  I think you think a lot like me and I'll miss you around here!

 

*wondering why no one else has said anything to Sandy...*

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Sandy---Come back!  I think you think a lot like me and I'll miss you around here!

 

*wondering why no one else has said anything to Sandy...*



I agree I want Sandy to come back! 

 

But didn't know if it would be weird, because she might not be reading anymore...

 

I hope everyone stays!   ((hugs))

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So, let's just shake it off and move on.  Hope everyone can find their center again, and then resume learning and growing.  I've been craving reminders of why I've raised my babies the way I have, and it's nice to get them here....somewhere...anywhere...!

 

About that jumperoo.  Actually, my babies are early walkers, etc, too.  They hold their heads up from birth (all but ds, lol. He was a good month old.) and are just really sturdy.  But, that doesn't change my feeling about jumperoos.  They are still jarring, potentially, and the hanging isn't good.  I've been reading several books about pain free back care, and realizing how important good posture, and encouraging proper development from the beginning, truly is. 

 

http://www.amazon.com/Steps-Pain-Free-Back-Solutions-Shoulder/dp/0979303605/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332030508&sr=8-1

 

http://www.amazon.com/Pain-Free-Revolutionary-Stopping-Chronic/dp/0553379887/ref=pd_sim_b_2

 

And, this is probably going to get me flamed, but just eat the meat and spit out the bones...

 

http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Your-Baby-Physically-Superb/dp/0757001920/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1332030587&sr=1-1

 

It's not the immediate damage that I'm concerned about, it's the muscle and structure overall. 

 

And, about that last book.  I'm NOT somebody going to spend hours and hours doing all that stuff.  But, I will say his books (that I read long, long ago for a friend) have very much influenced my parenting/homeschool methods.  Not that I try to crack my kids' heads open and pour stuff in, but that I am watching their development very differently than I would have otherwise seen.  I have far more respect for what they are doing, how and why.  I am aware that his work was based on a now-considered outdated theory, but yet, some of his work is now used everyday in therapy situations. 

 

For example, have you ever seen a baby trying to crawl for the first time?  He says that we make it hard for them, and often slow down their development accidentally.  We put them on a blanket, on a thick carpet, and they aren't strong enough to move, and give up for a time.  Or, we put them somewhere too slippery, and with socks.  So, it takes them a long time to overcome.  Ideally, the baby should be put on a surface that is neither too squishy nor too slippery, with bare knees, elbows, and toes, but a covered belly.  This allows the baby to move with the least amount of effort, and allows them to learn to crawl so much easier, and with much less frustration. 

 

The point, for me, again, is not to create some super person, but to respect their needs of learning, and to facilitate that as much as I can.  I don't want to frustrate them, or make things harder than they have to be.  It's long debated, but many feel that crawling, for example, is very needed for proper eye and brain development, especially in the role of teaming and motor planning.  That's not to say that many kids who spend very little time crawling turn out just fine.  But, those who don't turn out just fine, are helped by programs of crawling to retrain the brain. 

 

So, if I can potentially preempt issues with their back, help eye and brain development, and aid them in learning without frustration, I'm all for it.  To me, it is respect for their person, and for where they are.  The general mindset has carried over to how I relate to them in general, and how I "school" my children. 

 

And, I think that's why people who have chosen some more "natural" (isn't THAT an inflammatory term?) ways of doing things are so set on it.  It's not so much because one way is potentially more healthy, or more dangerous, but because we are focusing on a whole child mindset, and very much on respect of children.  We don't want to bag, box, and market them because it's easy for us, or because that's what people do in America.  Again, all things in moderation, and all things as a means to an end.  Have I ever used or done things that I don't feel are ideal because it was what needed to happen?  Sure, but it's not the direction I'm driving.  It's not because I feel superior because my kids eat whole foods or whatever.  Or that I feel judged that they don't.  It's that I'm working very hard to create an environment of respect for my children, not of ease for me. 

 

And, furthermore, I believe that the way we treat babies and small children, and the products and experiences to which they are exposed, effect their view of the world for the rest of their lives.  Those early years are so important, and I am seizing every opportunity to form their views of other people, politics, religion, and the rest of the world.  One of the main reasons that my children are not in preschool, or other formal programs (or school) is because I want them to have total freedom of thought.  The very methods of schooling today promote ideas of communism, among other things.  So, from infancy, I am protecting them from things that I believe will rob them of that freedom of thought, and working my hardest to help their bodies be strong and free in all ways.

 

So, in a longish nutshell, that's why I am who I am, and why I am where I am.  Nutso?  Hard to explain and understand?  Maybe.  But, there it is. :)

 

 

post #127 of 137

I cross posted with a few people.  I'd like Sandy to come back, too.  I didn't mean to shake HER off, though it seems like it since my post came after shastalilly and forestmushroom's. 

 

I meant to shake off the vibe of feeling like we can't talk, and just do it. :)

 

 

post #128 of 137
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I'm also hoping for a better bfing outcome this time too.  My problems were due to Raynaud's which causes extremely painful vasospasms of the nipple.  I have ended up pumping full-time shortly after baby was born for about 9 months and a freezer full of breastmilk which took us far beyond that.  This time I've been recommended to try a prescription that I didn't know about before and I am really hoping it works out so that I can breastfeed.

 

I think on the jumperoo and other products thing, it's also about *how* something is said and perhaps getting a feeling like we are bad moms for using those products.  I honestly don't think using it for short periods during the day when baby is older (I think mine were around 5-6 mo., sitting up, scooting, etc). is going to cause baby harm.  I used exersaucers for my older two and the jumperoo for my youngest and none of my kids had that sort of problem.

 

Sandy---Come back!  I think you think a lot like me and I'll miss you around here!

 

*wondering why no one else has said anything to Sandy...*


I haven't because Sandy knows I think she is great, and I am sure things will get worked out and she'll come back :) Just did not want to throw too much attention to her temporary leave.

post #129 of 137

I have actually heard that about the Jolly Jumper things, but I've seen them made in a lot of different ways- some with a definite "seat" for the baby to be sitting in and others are very crotch dangly. The doorway ones seem the most dangly. I honestly don't understand the difference between carriers that dangle and jumpers/exersaucers that dangle... age of baby? length of time spent in the device? No clue. I'd be interested if anyone else knows.

 

Both of my kids also walked early- they were both 9 months when they started (Nigella late 9 months, Orrin very end of 8 months/beginning of 9) but they were standing, cruising, pulling up, etc by 5-ish months. Also hoping in some ways that this kid waits a bit longer to walk, but both of mine were SO much happier once they could walk. They hated crawling, and were infuriated by being immobile.

 

I am also totally confused by the people leaving the DDC. I wasn't sensing any severe discord <shrug>. It's too bad. 

 

Re: skin crawling while breastfeeding. Yep. I never had that overwhelming baby-connection, love-breastfeeding thing. My refusal to breastfeed through this pregnancy is entirely because of the horrible skin-crawling, anger-inducing, touched-out thing. I could not do it again. I did it with Nigella, and I wish I didn't- those months of our breastfeeding relationship sucked (literally! Ha!). I get it while breastfeeding a newborn too. i'm more prone to tantrums, don't want my husband anywhere near me, and hit that skin-crawling feeling really early. I was visiting a friend who had a baby recently, and just the sound of her baby breastfeeding was making my skin crawl. Not looking forward to it, but I'll do it. I guess. Since I have to.

 

How i get through it... Kegels. Kegels and think very relaxing thoughts (if I'm nursing babe to sleep somewhere quiet) or LOTS of distraction- computer, TV, good books, etc. Do whatever i can to NOT thinking about the baby attached to my boob. Oh- and they can't touch me. No grabby hands. I introduce a lovey while nursing very early so their hands are constantly occupied so they can't knead or stroke or pinch, and if their hands wander over to touch me I redirect them to the lovey and if they are intent on touching (when they get older) then I stop the nursing session entirely. As newborns I swaddle their arms down to avoid the flailing hands thing.

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I've actually decided this isn't the place for me as well and probably won't be on here as much in this particular DDC.  Nothing against any of you, it just isn't the place for me.  If the majority of you think wearing your baby 24/7 is the best practice and using *any* of the baby gadgets is wrong, then I am not in the right place, because I disagree.  I disagree that all of these items can be SO BAD if millions of mothers have used them millions of times and we haven't yet killed the human race with all these back, hip, joint, head problems.  I know many people who use these items and their kids are fine.  My mom used them and I am fine.  I am sure some of your moms used them and some of you are fine.  I just don't buy it.  I think you can be 100% skeptical of all products out there but that isn't me.  I know that there would be a million recalls if all these things happened.  I don't think there is 1 product I could mention in here that someone wouldn't have a chart of picture to show how awful it is for baby's hip, legs, pinky finger, etc.  And that is fine, for you guys. 

 

No offense meant but obviously it becomes less and less exciting to post in here when you all seem to have a way differing view on parenting than I do. And a few of you just don't understand WHY it would offend some of us.  I can't speak for Sandy, but I can speak for myself.  It is offensive because I get the overall impression that because I am a first-time mom, I am an idiot.  Yes, I agree that I don't have much experience yet, but I do have SOME common sense and I do have people in my life to help out and I know I will learn along the way.  When I post that I bought a snugli and 3 pages later everyone has told me it's a bad purchase, it 1) makes me feel like you guys are NOT in the same realm as me as far as parenting and 2) makes me feel that all of you think I am an idiot and need everyone to tell me to return it quickly before my womb-baby's legs fall off at the thought of it.  Even Meredith said she tried similar ones with her first baby and then with her second decided on another one.  I can't even get a first time experience here to try out what works, everyone is too busy bashing everything I buy.  And I am sure the way you say it doesn't seem offensive to you, because I know you guys don't have bad intentions, but it is to me.  I am not close-minded, I have no problem listening to other viewpoints.  But enough is enough. There's a fine line between a suggestion and basically implying that I would be a bad mother if I used it. 

 

Anyway, like I said, I mean no offense to anyone, but since everyone is asking in this thread, I was hoping to shed some light on it.  I think it's just not the right environment for some people when the overall tone seems to be "Carry baby 24/7 or set on floor, no substitutes".  And most of you go back to the fact that this is how it should be on mothering forum, so that is fine.  It doesn't seem like a real tolerant place for anyone NOT as curnchy.  I guess I feel as if all of you you complain about being shunned by the outside world for your crunchy ways came here to shun everyone else for their non-crunchy ways, kinda doing the same thing you tried to get away from.  I really wanted a group like this, but I find that facebook is probably just a better, more supportive forum for me right now.  I have some of you as friends on facebook and I still want to keep in touch on there, and if anyone else would like to be facebook friends, please send me a message and we can connect.  I don't want to leave but I get more and more bummed the more I am here, so it isn't the best place for me.  I hope you all have fun with your new babies!! 

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I'm sorry you feel that way Janell, but I understand.  I honestly think everyone is just trying to help, but obviously it's coming across wrong.  I don't know what the happy medium is.  I don't want people to not offer information and advice, but I also don't want people to feel singled out or picked on.  And I certainly don't want people to leave. :( 

 

 

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Here is the reply to what was said about the snugli:

"I'd suggest heading over to the babywearing section of MDC and doing some reading.  There's lots of info in there.  I'd also be careful with the Snugli, as it is not the best thing for either baby or mama, there are far better (more ergonomic) choices out there.  Just a guess, but your "wrap thing" may be a ring sling... is the attachment on one end a pair of rings?  Honestly, that's all you need - that can get you from NB to toddler, it is one of the more versatile carriers, but there is a learning curve.  It's easiest if you know anyone who can show you how to put it on, and YouTube can show you the carries you can do with it - personally I prefer upright carries, which are far safer (and easier to master) than reclined carries."

 

What about this implies you're an idiot?  The general feeling I get is that you don't want any feedback on your purchases, which is fine, but please don't make it sound like people are being rude or mean.  Cristeen was incredibly respectful in her reply to you.

 

Sandy's response: "

Hi Janellody! I love babywearing and like a PP mentioned, have tried tons of carriers. My DS LOVED the snugli! I found it to be the easiest and most comfortable of all of my carriers.

 

I also tried a Maya Wrap (ring sling) which I hated and DS hated, and a Balboa carrier, which I never got the hang of before DS got to big. I will probably try that one again with the new baby. Finally, we ended up splurging on an Ergo for a long hiking and camping trip, and used that one exclusively from the time DS was eight-months-old until he was eighteen-months-old. This time around I'm registered for a Moby, which I've heard great things about. I plan to use them all again this time around!"

 

Here it sounds like she's saying...hey it worked for me...again sounds respectful to me.  There are other comments about people saying what worked and didn't work for them..xyz.

 

Your response:
"I honestly don't plan on using the carrier much, as I will probably use the car seat a lot more (yes you guys have already lectured me about that so no need to go into it again wink1.gif)  I will try what I have now and if they work out great.  If not I will look for something else, but for now I am happy with what I have :) "

 

I didn't get uncomfortable with the conversation until you said "you've already lectured me".  It sounds like you're getting defensive...but about what?  It seemed to me that the debate was relatively healthy at that point.  People are never going to agree 100%.  It is up to each of us to continue a healthy dialogue.  I think once we start using harsh words like "lecture" and talking about our "womb baby's legs" falling off then the discussion is no longer healthy.  Part of being in any sort of online discussion, about anything frankly, is differing viewpoints, opinions, experiences, unsolicited advice, etc.  It's going to happen and as long as people are being respectful, we need to move on and continue that positive dialogue.  Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they think less of you.  If anything, they care more because they are genuinely concerned about your child.  It's true, probably not every kid who will be carried in a snugli or baby bjorn will be injured by it, but it sounds like some have.  You can apply that scenario to probably any mainstream and natural baby product out there.  I've heard that cloth diapered babies don't get diaper rashes (it's often a selling point)...however, I'm sure some do!  I really think all of the ladies here are well-meaning.  If you aren't sure, ask for some sources of where they got that information, do the research yourself, make you own conclusion and report back.  It's all about healthy and positive dialogue.

 

Honestly, if we all agreed on everything 100%, I'd get bored.  I don't think anyone wants to see you go, but if that's how you feel then do what you gotta do.  I don't really know what else to say other than, I don't think you're an idiot, I've never thought that, but you don't seem to take any feedback well.  I'm sorry if anyone has inadvertently offended you, I don't think anyone meant to do that.

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And I don't expect you to understand, it's ok.  In my normal life, I actually take feedback quite well, but it usually isn't coming from 15 people at once, so maybe that's the difference.  It's ok to just agree to disagree.  Yes, at this point I got a little sarcastic in my reply with my "womb baby's legs" and such, but I am just sort of a sarcastic person in general :)  I didn't say every reply was awful, and I don't feel like referencing any in particular, because I know none of you meant any harm, that is why I continually have said I am not trying to offend anyone.  If it comes across as me not taking feedback well, then I know 100% that talking online isn't the best resource for me right now, as I know I am open-minded and HAVE taken some crunchy moms advice on here before, just not on this DDC as much. 

 

And I did feel lectured about the car seat, I guess if lecture is a bad word, then I can't think of an alternative.  That is part of the reason I get the vibe that most people think I don't know what I am doing, because I feel like I get lectured whenever I mention something. 

 

It's ok!  No need for any hard feelings, I still respect everyone on here.  I am leaving because I don't wanna be the one causing issues when you all seem to get along great and I seem to be the odd one out, for the most part. 

 

Anyways who cares, you guys have fun, no hard feelings, carry on!  I will be on facebook biggrinbounce.gif

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ack! Janelle!!! Noooo don't go!! greensad.gif

 

 

post #135 of 137

I have a Snugli!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

post #136 of 137

i think that everyone here has been more than gentle with their comment towards janallody's comments and offered equal gentle advice too. i choose this site to participate in as it is the only one i found that isn't mainstream in beliefs as opposed to all the 100's of other parenting sites you come across. i most definately prefer to chat with those who have like minded beliefs but i welcome anyone who does come here to learn from outside the box on the not so conventional style of parenting. i truly believe (and this is were i will just be blunt) that is you feel attacked,different or offended by non mainstream beliefs and ideas than this may not be the site for you after all. no one here attacked janellody in this thread but she does feel picked on by the advice directed at her.this is not the first time i have seen her get upset when this happens. we all started out as first time moms at some point and had to find out what works best for us and we still learn with every child we have. frankly, if janelle wants to raise her baby in a mainstream fashion than more power to her. it's not my baby. i tend to question mainstream parenting as it is my experience that many people who parent in that fashion tend to be followers and go this route as that is the way their friends,parents,media say or do raise their children without out even a question asked.i wish sandy and janelle the best of luck and hopefully they are able to find that support they want and need.

 

also with that said being said i can honestly say most of us here are not 110% crunchy. we all have done something non-crunchy with our kids. i have a pack and play, i used a jumperoo,snugli, and borjn plus sposie diapers. this time with baby no. 5 i plan to use cloth diapers. i also got a mei tei. i hated that snugli and borjn. they are not comfortable period. no wonder they are easy to come by at the thrift stores and resale shops. we do not eat the healthiest in our family either, and that is the biggest mainstream shame we practice. that will be the biggest challenge for our family to accomplish which i plan to work on.

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also with that said being said i can honestly say most of us here are not 110% crunchy. we all have done something non-crunchy with our kids. i have a pack and play, i used a jumperoo,snugli, and borjn plus sposie diapers. this time with baby no. 5 i plan to use cloth diapers. i also got a mei tei. i hated that snugli and borjn. they are not comfortable period. no wonder they are easy to come by at the thrift stores and resale shops. we do not eat the healthiest in our family either, and that is the biggest mainstream shame we practice. that will be the biggest challenge for our family to accomplish which i plan to work on.


I agree with this... no one is 100 percent crunchy goddess earth mother! We all have to make choices and I think it is helpful to hear what works for other families.

 

And one thing that this thread has brought to mind... and I hope this come across as gently as possible... but buying stuff isn't parenting--and a big part of natural family parenting is simplifying.

 

Now  I am super excited to get out the little clothes and wash diapers and set up baby's area-- and fix my home to welcome a new baby.  That involves buying stuff, but it doesn't end there.  In the end the ergo and the snuggli, the cloth diapers or sposies, the hospital vs. homebirth--these things are all means to an end which is welcoming a new tiny life into the world that we are now growing--which is amazing! 

 

We are bringing new life into the world.  In the end that is really what we are coming together to share--not the wraps and the jumperoos and the cribs or the co-sleeping.  Its about the new life we are growing and soon to be holding and loving... so I hope we can continue to share and support each other through that!  And not get distracted by the accessories.  grouphug.gif

 

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