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post #21 of 36
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Originally Posted by WildKingdom View Post


If someone wants a "sanctuary" they should post in the "I'm not vaccinating" forum, not the general forum. That's why it's there.


It may not be clear when a poster is not regular here. 

 

It might matter because a poster might need a place to discuss non-vaxing options given it's very difficult to have that discussion in real life or in other online boards.

post #22 of 36
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Originally Posted by MamaMunchkin View Post


It may not be clear when a poster is not regular here. 

It might matter because a poster might need a place to discuss non-vaxing options given it's very difficult to have that discussion in real life or in other online boards.

That may well be true, but it's certainly not fair to expect everyone to bite their tongue because a new poster has not bothered to fully evaluate board culture. If she wanted support only, there was an appropriate place to look for it. She instead posted in the general forum, and I don't think it's fair to make comments about people being unsupportive, when all they did was answer questions in a very appropriate and helpful manner. Two members of the military gave their experiences and opinions. If the op doesn't like what they have to say, she can repost in the other forum.
post #23 of 36

Dude giving someone the true facts of how the military works and why is not being unsupportive.  It's reality.  Sorry next time I'll just say buck the system and give it to them... Cause that would be such good advice...

post #24 of 36
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Originally Posted by Imakcerka View Post

Dude giving someone the true facts of how the military works and why is not being unsupportive.  It's reality.  Sorry next time I'll just say buck the system and give it to them... Cause that would be such good advice...


Dude - wasn't thinking about your response.

post #25 of 36
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Originally Posted by WildKingdom View Post


That may well be true, but it's certainly not fair to expect everyone to bite their tongue because a new poster has not bothered to fully evaluate board culture. If she wanted support only, there was an appropriate place to look for it. She instead posted in the general forum, and I don't think it's fair to make comments about people being unsupportive, when all they did was answer questions in a very appropriate and helpful manner. Two members of the military gave their experiences and opinions. If the op doesn't like what they have to say, she can repost in the other forum.


It's also not fair to expect everyone to bite their tongue and not have an opinion about this board - or not to commiserate with a new poster.

post #26 of 36

It wasn't just for the OP.  The question was about going overseas on the Military's dime and expecting the rules to change for you.  Some of us veterans or veteran wives chimed in to explain the reality of the situation.  That is not being unsupportive at all.  That's speaking the truth as people who have been involved in that system and understanding the why's of it all.  While I'm sure non vaxxed people have been allowed to travel (family members only)  I really don't think it's the norm especially after what happened in Japan recently.  Even if Japan doesn't care the Military doesn't make a habit of taking what they would consider extra risks when it comes to the families of military members.  Also I do know of a few military member who wouldn't vax and they were not allowed to travel oconus.  EVER.  They were stuck here in the states and coded. 

post #27 of 36
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Originally Posted by MamaMunchkin View Post


It's also not fair to expect everyone to bite their tongue and not have an opinion about this board.

You're completely welcome to your opinion.
post #28 of 36
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Originally Posted by Imakcerka View Post

It wasn't just for the OP.  The question was about going overseas on the Military's dime and expecting the rules to change for you.  Some of us veterans or veteran wives chimed in to explain the reality of the situation.  That is not being unsupportive at all.  That's speaking the truth as people who have been involved in that system and understanding the why's of it all.  While I'm sure non vaxxed people have been allowed to travel (family members only)  I really don't think it's the norm especially after what happened in Japan recently.  Even if Japan doesn't care the Military doesn't make a habit of taking what they would consider extra risks when it comes to the families of military members.  Also I do know of a few military member who wouldn't vax and they were not allowed to travel oconus.  EVER.  They were stuck here in the states and coded. 

 

Oh, I know - it's not about your response on vax and the military.

 

The original poster mentioned the board would be more about non-vax support, read other threads, got a different impression and was surprised.  The original poster was thinking about other threads they read too - not just this one.  I can see why and happen to agree.

post #29 of 36
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Originally Posted by WildKingdom View Post


You're completely welcome to your opinion.


Huh?  As opposed to ... ? OK, there's probably a misunderstanding somewhere.  But I'm good with everything, hope you're too.

post #30 of 36
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Originally Posted by HeyHeyMonkey View Post

I'm surprised this turned into such a debate.  I thought mothering was more about supporting not vaccinating? 
If you'd like, I can move this thread to the I'm Not Vaccinating subforum, which isn't as "debate-y" and has different guidelines to maybe get you different responses?
post #31 of 36
Actually we weren't debating we were giving VETERAN MILITARY information. As in we've been through this and know what we're talking about. How it's handled is not a debate. True facts are not a debate. If someone came on who had never been in the military and tried to argue that it was really easy to move to Japan even after all the problems they have had over there, without vaccinations I would tell them they were lying. And as someone who still works with the military I think I have to be honest about expectations when I know how it actually works out. Telling the OP the truth is not being "debatey". It's being fair. And telling her why the Military does what they do... is again being fair and honest. I'm not going to tell her ways to sneak around the powers that be, because that could ultimately get her spouse in trouble and cause undo stress to herself and her family.
post #32 of 36

HeyHey Monkey, I'm sorry this thread with your legitimate question and responses was highjacked by members who want to debate the merits of vaccines rather than engage with your question. This board IS a place that supports non-vaccinators, but we also have plenty of members who vaccinate. As a new member, you aren't expected to know the "right" place to post and I'm sorry that others belittled you.

 

I grew up in the military as my dad was career Air Force and I know how hard it is to buck the system without repurcussions. I admire your resolve. It would be great to have an article on the site about the military and vaccine exemptions. Please keep us posted on your journey. Feel free to PM me to keep me up to date.

post #33 of 36

Oh no our answers were legitimate.  I'm a DV and still work with the military so I decided to ask my friends in Okinawa currently or on their way.  This is what was said

 

the only required shot for Japan is Hep B and Japanese Encephalitis are highly recommended HOWEVER  look below please...

 

(found this on the internet)  Can I link it  Peggy since it's to another forum for military forum of people who actually know what is going on now?

And from someone who really knows...

 

I'm the overseas screener here at Camp Pendleton, California.  There are two instructions concerning immunizations when transfering overseas.

BUMEDINST 6230.15A, 3-3, a, and MILPERSMAN 1300-302, 7, c.

The BUMEDINST basically says that dependents going overseas have to have immunizations as recommended by CDC.  It does not list any situations for exemptions.  The MILPERSMAN basically says that service members or dependents can only go overseas at the discretion of the gaining command.  In other words, if the gaining medical facility says you or your child have to have certain immunizations in order to be approved for travel than you need to have them done or you won't be able cleared for travel with your spouse.

 

 

Other things required, dental, pap smears ( oh fun) and any other medical issues must be taken care of here or in Guam.  So... you can try to buck the system or you can look further than "I hope it works out for you". 

 

Because it's not worth getting into a mess when it's not needed.

 

 

OP please google Okinawa Hai Society.  The women there can help you a little more.

post #34 of 36

Thanks, Imakcerka, this is good advice specific to what HeyHeyMonkey was wanting. Yes, you can link to the other forum and the Okinawa Hai Society sounds good too. Will you link to that too? Should you PM HeyHeyMoneky with this info? Let's see if she comes back. 

 

So, you're in Camp Pendleton then. Beautiful place. Don't you agree that this would be a good article? There are the straight forward requirements, but do you agree that the real issue is how this all comes down for the military person? I remember that my dad would get points on his record if his family screwed up, like when I had a car accident right in front of the MP station, when I was 16. Would asking for exemptions reflect badly on the military person depending on his situation and who the commander is?

 

Sorry, but what is DV?

post #35 of 36
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Originally Posted by Peggy O'Mara View Post

Thanks, Imakcerka, this is good advice specific to what HeyHeyMonkey was wanting. Yes, you can link to the other forum and the Okinawa Hai Society sounds good too. Will you link to that too? Should you PM HeyHeyMoneky with this info? Let's see if she comes back. 

 

So, you're in Camp Pendleton then. Beautiful place. Don't you agree that this would be a good article? There are the straight forward requirements, but do you agree that the real issue is how this all comes down for the military person? I remember that my dad would get points on his record if his family screwed up, like when I had a car accident right in front of the MP station, when I was 16. Would asking for exemptions reflect badly on the military person depending on his situation and who the commander is?

 

Sorry, but what is DV?

Disabled Veteran

 

And I'm near a different base now.  That information I left for the OP was from someone out of Camp P.  And yes family can still cause issues for the Military member. 

post #36 of 36

Posted, deleted, but I am going to say something.

 

My dh was active duty for a while, and things certainly can *seem* to be cut and dry.  And, it can be argued, various offices are really bad at communicating effectively with the spouse.  I can't tell you how often I've been round and round with the housing office.  Every person I talk to tells me something different, and they all cite "policy".  I'm glad to be done with that mess.

 

There's a difference between asking for clarification from the person who really has the authority to make a decision, and bucking the system.  No need to be dramatic.


Edited by Just1More - 8/25/12 at 8:05pm
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