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Are Obstetricians considered "Birth Professionals"--I don't see a forum here!

post #1 of 42
Thread Starter 

Are we outlawed?  Are our opinions invalid? 
Are we ALL driven by greed, and sadistic personalities, and would never think of trying to give a birth experience she remembers fondly?

 

Just asking?

 

post #2 of 42

I agree. Would love to see ALL birth professionals represented here. After all, don't we support all birth choices, whether home or hospital?

post #3 of 42
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I really think the only birth choice supported here is HOME birth---any woman who CHOOSES to see an OB is ridiculed and it is implied she is not intelligent enough to make a good decision!

 

Thank you for support----I think only hope of change is with COMMUNICATION---not happening here so far!

post #4 of 42

I have to admit that when I had a c-section I was dismayed to learn that there wasn't a c-section board.  We were allowed to have a support thread but MDC didn't want to have a board.  I think it's changed now that there are so many c-section mamas.

 

 

post #5 of 42

An issue here is that in real life, for many women here on mdc, this is quite often (not always) the other way around:

 

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I really think the only birth choice supported here is HOME birth---any woman who CHOOSES to see an OB is ridiculed and it is implied she is not intelligent enough to make a good decision!

For women choosing alternative options - that we are not intelligent enough to make the right decision (hospital/obgyn)... we are trying to be "matryrs" or "win awards" or are being selfish or misinformed wanna-be birth goddesses. 

post #6 of 42
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I guess the word "good" can be misread---I mean that she making a decision is good --not that ho birth is bad and hospital is good---but it is more than implied here on MDC that her decision to have a hospital birth is not perceived of as good in the eyes of the home birth community.  The very thing you dislike about the medical community--you actually do yourselves!

post #7 of 42

Well, I just recently found out I am pregnant and I'll be going to my OB GYN just to see how things are due to a past surgery for ovarian cysts. I have always found my OB GYN's to be great in terms of giving me great, practical advice and healthcare.

 

From what I have read, most women here prefer natural birth and that is what I prefer too, yet I am looking at having a combination of using an OB GYN and a midwife - I feel like my OB GYN needs to be on the same page with every major event that can affect my health especially since I'll likely be seeing the same person for my womanly needs after my child is born. From my reading, a lot of woman have had unnecessary medical intervention (induction, pain meds, restricting movement) which made their labor and birth harder than it should have been.

 

But that is just my opinion. I have never had a negative experience with an OB GYN just for my basic woman health, actually, the two I have had have gone above and beyond with comfort and care.

post #8 of 42
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Originally Posted by slmommy View Post

An issue here is that in real life, for many women here on mdc, this is quite often (not always) the other way around:

 

For women choosing alternative options - that we are not intelligent enough to make the right decision (hospital/obgyn)... we are trying to be "matryrs" or "win awards" or are being selfish or misinformed wanna-be birth goddesses. 



Then I think the best thing to do would be to support women in all safe birthing options, from HB to Maternal Request CS, instead of just supporting the opposite of "mainstream". At least, that's how it seems to me.

post #9 of 42

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I guess the word "good" can be misread---I mean that she making a decision is good --not that ho birth is bad and hospital is good---but it is more than implied here on MDC that her decision to have a hospital birth is not perceived of as good in the eyes of the home birth community.  The very thing you dislike about the medical community--you actually do yourselves!

There are plenty of women around here who hospital birth. But most of them won't really be found in the "homebirth" or "uc" forums though. Things can get touchy there. 
 

post #10 of 42
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Originally Posted by Poogles0213 

Then I think the best thing to do would be to support women in all safe birthing options, from HB to Maternal Request CS, instead of just supporting the opposite of "mainstream". At least, that's how it seems to me.


I come here because mdc has forums for some options not found other places. I don't care what other women decide to do for their births, and honestly, I have stated here before, that women should have full range of options - elective c/s, hospital, hb, uc, whatever. I want to be respected in my decision so I try to respect the decision of others.

 

post #11 of 42
Thread Starter 

so--we are in agreement----not to exclude women who choose hospital birth--all birth choices need a forum!

post #12 of 42

I think that is what the general "birth and beyond'" forum section is for... for example there is selective vaxing and non-vaxing boards, but no "vaxing" board because that is covered under the general "vaccine" forum. I don't know maybe I'm wrong... some forums have subforums but the lack of a subforum doesn't exclude the topic, as far as I understand...

post #13 of 42
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so--we are in agreement----not to exclude women who choose hospital birth--all birth choices need a forum!



One would think so.  Having had a home birth and then a c-section unexpectedly, I felt like an outcast trying to find some sense of what had transpired.  It really was a sour taste knowing that c-sections were taboo enough that a mere thread would be tolerated but nothing more. 

post #14 of 42

obdoc, I have read and communicated with hundreds of ladies here who have chosen hospital births.  It's very common!  I have in my life met some nice doctors, some of whom were extremely frustrated about various aspects of the medical system they had to function in  However, I have had many more negative than positive experiences myself.

 

This board tends to host alternative options to offer them a home especially because there are few places where such subjects are welcome.  You will find a lot of negativity and bad experiences related to hospital births with OBs here but you will also find positive stories as well.  If you are as "good" as you are suggesting then wonderful, but you must also agree that there are a lot of problems within the obstetrical community that lead to these negative experiences as well.  I hope you are working to improve things.

 

Women who choose hospital birth aren't excluded from anything, but a site that was founded to support alternative approaches doesn't need to make a special home for what every other pregnancy and birth site out there is already overwhelmingly full of.  It's what makes mothering.com unique, and it really can't be all things to all people or it will lose what makes it special. Ladies talk here ALL the time about their ultrasounds, OB care, and hospital births.  AND there are also a lot of strong homebirth advocates here.  Sometimes midwives and UC are attacked here, and often OBs are complained about...  It's pretty darn diverse already and I for one do not think Mothering should set out to "prove" itself inclusive by being just like anywhere else.

 

If you want to be a real part of this community then I think you are very very welcome.  If you are bringing something positive.  And I think a natural-birth-supporting OB could bring plenty of positive things to this community.   

 

But if you are really here to start arguments because you want to play your opinions off of people you may feel less than respectful toward-- well, I do not support you doing that at all.  And making this a mainstream birth board pushes homebirthers to the margins just like everywhere else.  Because we are already such a minority in society, it would be very easy for numbers alone to make us marginalized here if more and more energy at Mothering is deliberately and specifically directed toward the most common mainstream options. 

post #15 of 42
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obdoc, I have read and communicated with hundreds of ladies here who have chosen hospital births.  It's very common!  I have in my life met some nice doctors, some of whom were extremely frustrated about various aspects of the medical system they had to function in  However, I have had many more negative than positive experiences myself.

 

This board tends to host alternative options to offer them a home especially because there are few places where such subjects are welcome.  You will find a lot of negativity and bad experiences related to hospital births with OBs here but you will also find positive stories as well.  If you are as "good" as you are suggesting then wonderful, but you must also agree that there are a lot of problems within the obstetrical community that lead to these negative experiences as well.  I hope you are working to improve things.

 

Women who choose hospital birth aren't excluded from anything, but a site that was founded to support alternative approaches doesn't need to make a special home for what every other pregnancy and birth site out there is already overwhelmingly full of.  It's what makes mothering.com unique, and it really can't be all things to all people or it will lose what makes it special. Ladies talk here ALL the time about their ultrasounds, OB care, and hospital births.  AND there are also a lot of strong homebirth advocates here.  Sometimes midwives and UC are attacked here, and often OBs are complained about...  It's pretty darn diverse already and I for one do not think Mothering should set out to "prove" itself inclusive by being just like anywhere else.

 

If you want to be a real part of this community then I think you are very very welcome.  If you are bringing something positive.  And I think a natural-birth-supporting OB could bring plenty of positive things to this community.   

 

But if you are really here to start arguments because you want to play your opinions off of people you may feel less than respectful toward-- well, I do not support you doing that at all.  And making this a mainstream birth board pushes homebirthers to the margins just like everywhere else.  Because we are already such a minority in society, it would be very easy for numbers alone to make us marginalized here if more and more energy at Mothering is deliberately and specifically directed toward the most common mainstream options. 


I have not said anything I would construe as argumentative---I am just asking why midwives, doulas and childbirth educators are the only birth professionals represented.  I also wish to point out that if you check my posts, I have never been disrespectful---so I don't know why you take an honest question, and assume I now am trying to be argumentative.

 

 

Neither midwives, doulas or OBs are going anywhere--so wouldn't it be better to communicate rather than vilify each other----I don't see how communication can happen if we are excluded.  You ultimately have the power---you can delete any post you wish to censor.

 

Also---I have not seen any site that is "all-inclusive"---can you give me some sites?  

 

post #16 of 42
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By the way--I have never touted myself as "good"

post #17 of 42
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Originally Posted by littlest birds View Post

obdoc, I have read and communicated with hundreds of ladies here who have chosen hospital births.  It's very common!  I have in my life met some nice doctors, some of whom were extremely frustrated about various aspects of the medical system they had to function in  However, I have had many more negative than positive experiences myself.

 

This board tends to host alternative options to offer them a home especially because there are few places where such subjects are welcome.  You will find a lot of negativity and bad experiences related to hospital births with OBs here but you will also find positive stories as well.  If you are as "good" as you are suggesting then wonderful, but you must also agree that there are a lot of problems within the obstetrical community that lead to these negative experiences as well.  I hope you are working to improve things.

 

Women who choose hospital birth aren't excluded from anything, but a site that was founded to support alternative approaches doesn't need to make a special home for what every other pregnancy and birth site out there is already overwhelmingly full of.  It's what makes mothering.com unique, and it really can't be all things to all people or it will lose what makes it special. Ladies talk here ALL the time about their ultrasounds, OB care, and hospital births.  AND there are also a lot of strong homebirth advocates here.  Sometimes midwives and UC are attacked here, and often OBs are complained about...  It's pretty darn diverse already and I for one do not think Mothering should set out to "prove" itself inclusive by being just like anywhere else.

 

If you want to be a real part of this community then I think you are very very welcome.  If you are bringing something positive.  And I think a natural-birth-supporting OB could bring plenty of positive things to this community.   

 

But if you are really here to start arguments because you want to play your opinions off of people you may feel less than respectful toward-- well, I do not support you doing that at all.  And making this a mainstream birth board pushes homebirthers to the margins just like everywhere else.  Because we are already such a minority in society, it would be very easy for numbers alone to make us marginalized here if more and more energy at Mothering is deliberately and specifically directed toward the most common mainstream options. 


I have not said anything I would construe as argumentative---I am just asking why midwives, doulas and childbirth educators are the only birth professionals represented.  I also wish to point out that if you check my posts, I have never been disrespectful---so I don't know why you take an honest question, and assume I now am trying to be argumentative.

 

 

Neither midwives, doulas or OBs are going anywhere--so wouldn't it be better to communicate rather than vilify each other----I don't see how communication can happen if we are excluded.  You ultimately have the power---you can delete any post you wish to censor.

 

Also---I have not seen any site that is "all-inclusive"---can you give me some sites?  

 


There is no reason why you can't participate in the birth professionals ( or any other) forum. As to why obstetricians are underrepresented here, I don't think MDC actively seeks out any professionals to participate in the forums they haven't just excluded OBs. Who knows why we don't have more. I could speculate but it would be just that, speculation.

I will say I found your first post in this thread a little aggressive. Maybe argumentative is too strong a word but a little bit hostile certainly.
post #18 of 42

I read your first two posts in this thread as argumentative with substantial exaggerations.  Most other posts I saw from you at Mothering are definitely not.  I only said IF arguing was your purpose in being here I was against that.  If it's not, then no problem.  (And BTW arguing is okay here--most of us do it a little or more, but it's just that I wouldn't consider it a good reason to be here.)

 

I did not claim that there were all-inclusive boards out there.  There are lots of sites where hospital births and OB care dominate, and little else is discussed.  So I do think it is easy for people who prefer that kind of care to find support in many places.  I do not see the level of disapproval here that you do, and I think you and all women who want to be here and also choose hospital births are very very welcome, but no, not necessarily in need of a special spot.  Like I said, I've been here a while, and women talk very openly about their OB care without hesitation or judgement.  I'm surprise at the level of judgment you are perceiving, because of my long experience.  And for those who speak against OBs, while you may in fact be awesome and not alone, the negativity has come from the real experiences of many many families--it's not just some reckless casual stereotyping. 

 

Now, when there are lots of sincere OBs who together with you want to hang out here and talk shop and change hospital birthing and midwife backup support for the better, and you all get together and ask then maybe there will be a special spot for natural birth OBs.  Also, anyone can propose to start a group, including you.  I don't know all the rules for starting groups, but you could potentially start a group here, then, especially for revolutionary OBs.  That might actually be awesome!  Maybe you should look into it.

post #19 of 42
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No, it is not necessary. Just another reason not to use an ob! (cough cough) lol.

 

 

I guess because I just read yet another comment like this one--and came in feeling quite hurt----had a long day yesterday----and baby ended up being transferred due to breathing issues---not a nice end for a 28 hour labor with good Apgars--you think it all goes great and it can still go wrong!

post #20 of 42
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No, it is not necessary. Just another reason not to use an ob! (cough cough) lol.

 

 

 


I'm not sure what this comment is referring to but, if you mean the lack of a specific OB subforum  then maybe you would be better off making a request in Questions and Suggestions. The forum participants can't create subforums themselves, we can only request it of the admin. Or, as Little Birds suggested, you could request a group. All you need for that is a second person to act as co-leader with you. The thread to request a new group is also in Questions and Suggestions.

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