Dipping my toe into a controversial topic--vaccines - Page 4 « Back to Group Discussions

[Just1More]

That can't be the source.  Because if 8000 was 1 in 500 children, that would make the world wide population of children at only 4 million.  From my first figuring (of using the under age 5 population in 1930), there were 11 million children in the US alone.  Back to the 1 in 1500.  It's just plain inaccurate.

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Originally Posted by Rowdie 

I think the problem in statement 3 is that they shifted from US statistics to world statistics without a transition.
But, yes, absolutely, it pays to do some digging.

[forestmushroom]

the thing is, even if you are carrying pertussis, if you are not coughing you are less likely to transmit the bacteria. Coughing is a really good way to spread the disease.  So even if you are carrying, but "not aware" i.e. not coughing, then you are less likely to spread it to other people. Again, it isn't pure logical, its probability.

And because infants cannot be vaccinated against pertussis until they are 2, completely, that is precisely why older people and healthy people who can be vaccinated should be--to prevent those who cannot be vaccinated from being exposed to the disease. Again, its probability.

Just look at how difficult it is to find chicken pox these days, and the chicken pox vaccine, while used in Japan for over 70 years, has only been used in the US for like 10 years or so...

[BlessedOne]

I haven't read through the most recent posts thoroughly, but with skimming them, I did realize that one thing was pointed out that I had thought about days ago, but just had forgot to post up.

I find it interesting that the same people that are so pro vax for their kids and think that our non vaxed children are corrupting the world and "putting the community at risk".....................are probably the same people that are not up to date on THEIR vaxes. No, I don't mean their kids, I mean THEM! Most people just think of vaxing for kids, but in reality, the vaxes only last for a handful of years and then those people (even if vaxed as a kid) are now just as much available to spread the disease as our unvaxed kids.

Ironic.....don't you think? =P

[forestmushroom]

I am up to date on my vaxes since we travel and am just a public health geek, so I am. And BTW I am not saying that I think anyone choosing the not vaccinate their children are putting the community at risk, at all.

I am saying that I understand that there are a lot of reason to take or refuse a medicine, and that because there are people who cannot be vaccinated (whether by choice or for medical reasons) that that is partially why we do choose to vaccinate.

I don't think it is fair to paint every pro vax person as thinking that those who do not are "putting the community at risk." It's a very complex issue, and I don't think it is an "us" vs. "them" kind of thing. Most of my friends do not vaccinate, and well, they are my friends!  (Not that you were saying that about me, specifically, but I did want to put that out there). 

I think it is an interesting topic, but am really not trying to convince anyone to do anything, or change at all. I just like to discuss stuff. :) But you are not corrupting anything. ((hugs)) all around.

[Rowdie]

Originally Posted by Just1More 

D'oh! You're absolutely right. Too bad the link is busted.  I'd be curious to know where they got the numbers they did.

[poppyseed2012]

100% agree. I'll also be vaccinating my little guy. Probably on a delayed schedule. And I'm definitely up to date on all of my vaxes for the same exact reasons - travel and public health concerns. I do whatever I can to do what I believe is taking care of myself and my family. To each their own, I say. :)

Originally Posted by forestmushroom 

I am up to date on my vaxes since we travel and am just a public health geek, so I am. And BTW I am not saying that I think anyone choosing the not vaccinate their children are putting the community at risk, at all.

I am saying that I understand that there are a lot of reason to take or refuse a medicine, and that because there are people who cannot be vaccinated (whether by choice or for medical reasons) that that is partially why we do choose to vaccinate.

I don't think it is fair to paint every pro vax person as thinking that those who do not are "putting the community at risk." It's a very complex issue, and I don't think it is an "us" vs. "them" kind of thing. Most of my friends do not vaccinate, and well, they are my friends!  (Not that you were saying that about me, specifically, but I did want to put that out there). 

I think it is an interesting topic, but am really not trying to convince anyone to do anything, or change at all. I just like to discuss stuff. :) But you are not corrupting anything. ((hugs)) all around.

[JynxGirl]

As the very person who said that people who choose not to vaccinate are putting the entire community at risk, I would like to say that other than my German Measles, which I can't get while pregnant, I am entirely up to date on my vaccinations. This was after finding out I was never vaccinated as an infant or child.

Apparently I disagree entirely with the majority of people on this group about vaccinations. I firmly stand on the side of science on this one. I understand that there are exceptions to vaccination, including allergies and reactions to vaccinations. My best friend's oldest is a child who can not be vaccinated due to a severe allergy to ingredients in the vaccines.

She's one of the reasons my family is fully vaccinated.

I am walking away from this discussion now, because it really is one that leaves me feeling angry and frustrated. Until I see valid, peer reviewed studies showing me the dangers of vaccinations, I will continue to vaccinate myself and my children.

[alittlesandy]

I am up-to-date on my vaccines because of working at the university (they don't require it, but it makes me more aware of the outbreaks that happen). I also come from a public health geek background. My stepdad grew up overseas and his dad was a public health/public aid worker who did a lot of vaccinating in 3rd world countries. The whole family is very traveled and international, and we plan on traveling during my sabbatical next year, so we plan to have DS caught up by then.

I did do a delayed and revised schedule with DS, but he hasn't had any reactions or problems, so we made the decision, after MUCH research, soul-searching, and discussion, to get him caught up.

I have absolutely no problem with people who do not vax, and fully respect and understand their decision.

HOWEVER, it angers me to no end when I hear people say that vaxxed kids are more often sick, developmentally behind, or whatever. There were there separate threads here on MDC (not in this DDC) about how vaxxed kids have no "sparkle." I cannot tell you how livid that makes me!

[Kamiro]

LOL I remember the sparkle threads Sandy! lmao

Oh, good times. good times.

[BlessedOne]

If people want to vax their kids...then more power to them. =) I am just saying I choose not to vax mine and I think it is overboard that people say we are putting others at risk because of not vaxing.

The way I look at it is, if the people that ARE vaxed are concerned that we are putting others at risk.....why would it matter to them....if THEY ARE vaxed? Wouldn't the vax do it's job of protecting them and their families? So for the most part (with few exceptions of course), the only people at "risk" would be those that choose not to vax.....and well most of us don't go into this blindly. So we know of the "possible risks". But in life EVERYTHING has possible risks....including vaxing. =S


In regards to my statement about adult vax.....do a quick search about adult vax and you will quickly find that most adults are not up to date. Now yes, if they are required by job or due to international travel...sure...but the average adult I wouldn't say is.

I am not trying to attack anyone....if you vax your child (or yourself), it doesn't affect me in the least bit! Whatever makes you happy! =)

[Kamiro]

I don't care who vaccinates their kids and who doesn't. Its totally a personal decision.

Someone casting judgment on me, well yeah naturally I turn that back around to I don't want to inject my kids with aborted fetal tissue and monkey and pig yuk yuk******....That doesn't mean I am judging the person, just stating facts from the CDC's own brochure (as of 5 years ago. I'm a little out of date) and wanting to be left in peace with my decision.

I think this is why its so volatile of a subject. Both sides have things they are scared of/wary of and opinions or facts on either side can be taken as an attack.

I don't mean to attack any one here, just like I know vaxxing mamas don't mean to either. Just kind of comes out that way when dealing with this subject, I think. Hotly debated issued.

***** Just like someone who does choose to vaccinate can use the mental (and true) imagery of a crippled with polio child or blistering bloody yukyuk for their reason to vax.