Originally Posted by slmommy
I had the same problem posting when I was new too, very frustrating. I think it happens when you try to quote people too? Drove me nuts.
I looked at the link, there are some other vax/autism concerns other than MMR and thimerosal. I have already posted this but maybe you didn't see.
http://www.cogforlife.org/ratajczakstudy.pdf (published in journal of immunotoxicology)
Interesting article. I am printing it out to read through the whole thing. I only read the beginning. But right in the abstract she
I don't have much to say about whole wakefield issue, but I know some people here do.
I am interested in some of the Too Many Vaccines part
This is the most interesting issue to me as well.
there's a terrifying view of the future, 1000s, really? the footnote is a skimpy abstract, also by Offit, I can't read more to this claim.
I don't understand this. So what? 4-6 viruses a year, through a normal immune route, not several antigens directly injected surpassing normal routes all at same time, multiple times. What am I missing here? How does this prove/account for safety of vaccines and all the other ingredients?
Haha.... yes that is terrifying, but I don't honestly think this is what will happen. This is all from my brain, but take viruses for example, influenza, they change their antigens so easily and so often that we have to guess what strains to vaccinate against. Their are usually only 3 seasonal strains selected against, thus that is what is in your vaccine for the year. Polio and small pox are two examples of the easiest viruses to vaccinate against, because we are "dead end hosts". Thats why vaccinations worked so well, just look at the numbers, small pox- completely eradicated and Polio- only endemic in 3 countries (Nigeria, Afghanistan and Pakistan). These are gone because of vaccines. But for viruses like influenza, no matter how much we vaccinate, we can never eradicate influenza, but we can vaccinate annually against the most prevalent strains. (sorry, tangent)
Going back to what you were saying, I think the statement of 1000s was meant to show that a childs immune system is capable of a lot! And with viruses and antigens, no matter what rout they enter your body they all go to target tissue for replication, so I don't see how the way it enters your body would have any effect at all. And honestly, most babies are borne in hospitals which are a cesspool of viral and bacterial infection, and I think the reason they want to give them so many shots almost immediately is because of that as well, which is a horrible reason, but I believe it to be true. This is where I have issues, in hospital cleanliness and aseptic techniques used.
This does not account for the safety of all vaccines and other ingredients, it is just speaking of the correlation between vaccines an autism. There are other dangers of vaccines that are very real, such as Guillain-barre syndrome, encephalitis in 1 of every 100,000,000 who get the small pox vaccine. These are all still there, I specifically don't think autism is connected to vaccines.
Some info in my above link would challenge these statements too:
ETA: I have seen this answer, that the vax schedule only represents a handful of antigens vs. what your child will be exposed to in life, as an answer to the question "Are so many shots at once safe?" on parenting.com/aap sites I think. This is another example of sketchiness imo. Downplays the question and does not directly answer it.
These are questions that NEED to addressed by scientists and should never ever be downplayed. I agree completely.
ETA more: didn't Offit make tons off of rotateq? $$$ he has quite a biased interest in vax industry. Ratajczak is retired scientist from pharma company. Of course I have my own biased views, but I don't think you need to be a conspiracy theorist to see issue here.
Doesn't every scientist who makes/discovers something make tons of $$$? Not all scientists are in it for the money, I am sure there are those, like in the chronic limes case. But making money doesn't discredit a scientist, that is not a very fair way of looking at it. If they make something that harms people it isn't gonna take very long to figure that out in trials. There are sooooo many rules and regulations in play when testing on human subjects. You definitely don't sound like a conspiracy theorist to me, just a concerned loving Mother, who is smart enough to look as far into everything as possible! I love that! Your kids are very lucky. =)