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post #21 of 87

We have delayed DD's and she will be getting her first vaccine shot (DTaP) in a week unless I chicken out. She just turned 2. She wasn't in daycare, exclusively breastfed, and not exposed to illness either through other children or from her parents, so delaying made sense for us.  I think with #2, we will do DTaP, HiB, and prevnar fairly early because DD1 is likely going to start nursery school next January, and I don't want her bringing scary stuff home to a totally unvaccinated child.  I have made peace with the decision even though in a perfect world I would never vaccinate - but then there would be nothing to vaccinate against in a perfect world. 

post #22 of 87
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we did vaccinate DS1 and plan to with the twins also, 99% of that decisions is because we were/are traveling all over developing countries with DS, he was also trying the foods there and sometimes water/juices etc..he was being exposed to people/kids all over the world, being on planes/trains/weird taxis/horses etc... as well as being in daycare a few afternoons a week when we are/were home I just felt in our case the benefits and exposure way out weighed any risk I saw.

 

I think if we had not been traveling all over the globe, he was not in daycare, he did not have an interest in the food/liquids, or exposed to many other people/public transportation etc very often my decision would of been different.

 

 

 

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Has anyone experienced what feels like a shortness of breath without moving or tingling in your legs/tight calves..?

 

I feel like sometimes I can't breath very well (almost always when sitting) and then all of a sudden it goes away when I get up and move around enough or stretch.. .. also the tingling in my legs is quiet bad when I sit for more then a meal. ... and often at night my calves feel so tight I can't sleep last night I had to cave and took a tylenol at 3am because I just was not comfortable at all.. , it started around 23w or so..


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post #23 of 87

 

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we did vaccinate DS1 and plan to with the twins also, 99% of that decisions is because we were/are traveling all over developing countries with DS, he was also trying the foods there and sometimes water/juices etc..he was being exposed to people/kids all over the world, being on planes/trains/weird taxis/horses etc... as well as being in daycare a few afternoons a week when we are/were home I just felt in our case the benefits and exposure way out weighed any risk I saw.

 

I think if we had not been traveling all over the globe, he was not in daycare, he did not have an interest in the food/liquids, or exposed to many other people/public transportation etc very often my decision would of been different.

 

 

 

Edited to add:

 

Has anyone experienced what feels like a shortness of breath without moving or tingling in your legs/tight calves..?

 

I feel like sometimes I can't breath very well (almost always when sitting) and then all of a sudden it goes away when I get up and move around enough or stretch.. .. also the tingling in my legs is quiet bad when I sit for more then a meal. ... and often at night my calves feel so tight I can't sleep last night I had to cave and took a tylenol at 3am because I just was not comfortable at all.. , it started around 23w or so..

 

The shortness of breath could be from the babies pushing on your diaphragm. As for the leg pain, I had leg pain/spasms at the end of my last pregnancy. This time, though, if I stretch my legs too fast in the morning, they kind of lock up. I get more of the tingly feeling in my arms if I sleep on them due to a previous injury. The arm pain was pretty much unbearable at the end of my pregnancy last time and I'm hoping to combat it with acupuncture this time around. 

 

For those of you with heartburn, acupuncture works wonders for that as well! The effects only last 4 days or so, but it's been so nice having my throat back!

post #24 of 87

I forgot to write about vaccines in that last post - We didn't give my son any vaccines until he was 6 months old and he actually became a crabbier kid after the shot, so we didn't give him another one until he was two. He's starting preschool in September (two days a week in the afternoons), so we'll have to start giving him a few more over the summer, but I'm not planning on vaccinating the new baby. I know that the new babe will be subjected to more illness with my son in preschool, but I'm exclusively breastfeeding and staying at home, so I feel pretty confident about creating a strong immune system. My son didn't get sick once until he was 1 1/2 years old and he just had a cold. He's pretty much the healthiest kid I've ever seen, so I'm hoping his immune system will keep up at school. I'm also hoping that the new baby will have the same type of immune system. If not, I can always selectively vaccinate at my own pace. I have a great pediatrician who doesn't force anything at all. In a perfect world, though, I'd wait until two before giving any vaccines. 

 

I also read Dr. Sears' "The Vaccine Book" to help me make my vaccine-related decisions. 

post #25 of 87

Intimeo - I'm leaning toward selective vax, too. This discussion is really motivating me to get reading!

 

ithappened - Your shortness of breath could be from pressure on your diaphragm, like Sallyrae mentioned. The weight of the babies could also pinch nerves and cause the tingling in your legs (along w the usual blood volume/relaxin issues). But have you had your OB test for anemia? Pretty much all of your symptoms can be caused by low iron deficiency- shortness of breath/racing heart, tingling/cramping in legs, cravings for ice, etc. It's worth looking into.

post #26 of 87

I just ordered the Dr Sears's vax book on my Kindle...I'll get to researching.  I was also able to find some pediatrician recommendations for my area on the tribe forums for doctors who will let you delayed/selective vax.  I'm thinking that since I am not planning on putting Q into day care until 6mo, at the very minimum, I can hold off until then on any vaccinations. 

 

Ithappened, did the tingling occur after activity?  I went for a 45 minute swim yesterday and my whole face was tingling afterwards, I guess just from getting the blood moving (I've been pretty lazy during my pregnancy, which is 180 degrees from my normal activity level).  I noticed that after just 30 minutes in the pool, my foot was cramping after kick turns, where normally that doesn't start happening unless I've already been swimming for a couple of miles. Also, I did notice, and this has happened when I wasn't pregnant as well, that when I'm normally active, and then not active for a couple of days, I get a tingling in my legs...like an itchy, I've got to get moving feeling.  Maybe it could be that?  As for the shortness of breath, my sister experienced this with her second or third pregnancy, because the baby was carrying really high and put pressure on her lungs, respiratory system. Perhaps with two of them in there this is what you're experiencing.

post #27 of 87

I found the Sears book very valuable, even though in the end I chose no vaccines.  He gives good honest information and it's very helpful to help you sort out your own thoughts and opnions, since the whole thing is so overwhelming.  And he has good advice for those who want to delay versus go selective, ie, if you delay there are ones you won't need.

post #28 of 87
Thread Starter 

VV - the numbness is almost always when I am sitting for more then 20-30 mins. I found I have to stand when working on my computer or I get very uncomfortable fast--- of course it doesnt help that everytime I sit down my toddler, all 30lbs of him, HAS to sit on my lap

 

I have a Doc appointment next week but since I have my scan at the hospital Thursday I might ask them to check my iron levels LeAnn while they're checking everything else just to speed up the process if these is anemia.

 

 

post #29 of 87

I'm having a lot of weird pain. I think its my joints going all wonky with the relaxin. Ugh. :( 
 


Anyone else having a HELL of a time sleeping? i'm now at the stage where I CANNOT CANNOT get comfortable at night. :( And to think! i've got at LEAST 14 weeks left (My son was born at 40 weeks exactly so i'm banking on that. LOL ). I need MOAR pillows but there are only so many in the house. O_O And then of course the last few nights we've had a "midnight visiter" crawling into bed going "maa ? mama? mamaaaa? " Oy. 

 

 

post #30 of 87

 

Hello everyone!

LilyTiger - good luck on your GD test.  I hear everyone mentioning this gross drink that is involved?  I was told that my glucose levels will be tested at my next visit (28wks) - a blood test - and I was only told to eat a good meal 2 hrs beforehand.  Nothing mentioned about a drink being taken.... I wonder if it's the same test at all.....

JustChanti - Sorry to hear about your DH's unfortunate job situation... they say "when one door closes, another opens" - I hope this will be your case and that shortly from now you'll find that this event has redirected you down a better path towards your goals....

intime - it's just BARELY spring here in Winterpeg (trees are just budding), but I'm cautiously awaiting summer weather to hit hard when it does finally arrive.... I'm a "sweater", so it'll be interesting to see how well I tolerate the heat in this condition...

Waffler - great to hear that your checkups went well!!  Keuriweo - good luck on yours this week too!

VV - good luck w/your CPA studying!  I'm sure it must be hard to stay focused after relocating and all....

Penny - hope your DH is feeling much better by now and that you are still staying healthy too!

Sol - sounds like your LO is having a growth spurt!  Will be interesting to see if you notice it on the scale, but since you eat such a healthy diet it'll be fine no matter what!

Andaluza - maybe that was BH you felt in the middle of the night?  Drinking water can definitely alleviate them....

ithappened - sorry that your FIL is continuing to stress you out.  I read the details posted in your related thread - how disappointing and frustrating, ugh.  Good luck w/your scan this week and enjoy the pool, and your new couch!

 

AFM - 26 wks here and yep I can't stop thinking about this fast-approaching 3rd trimester and all that comes with it!  I have quite a few books left to read and REALLY need to start educating myself on vaccines.... and nursing!!  ithappened - I'm also experiencing tight calves, day & night - although none of the actual muscle cramps that I read about.  Sitting for any length of time makes my legs stiffen and feet swell, so now I've started to prop up my feet when I sit (which has helped).  Stairs are a challenge now too, I feel like 100 yrs old - completely winded and knees aching.....still trying my best to stay in shape by walking and stretching those aching joints with yoga.....I'm so worried that my body is in terrible shape for birth!  Tchotchkes - good sleep has been a distant memory for me....

 

DH is home for a few days this week which is soooo nice, but he has to travel even more over the next couple of months which is really challenging as far as sharing this pregnancy and making plans for Baby's arrival.  He'll only be home 10 days in the month of May and that includes ONE weekend!  I can't even think about June.  His work is stressful and he feels terrible about being gone and worries about me, so I'm doing my best to be positive for all of us.  Just thoroughly enjoying the time that I do have him here....

post #31 of 87
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Should I go ahead and start the Spotlight Thread for this week?  I think it's Pennywhistle's week (because last week was intime0, right?).  I don't want anyone to miss their Spotlight, but I don't know if someone else was planning on starting it.... 

 

I don't know how they work, but I will certainly answer questions eyesroll.gif

post #32 of 87

Hey Y'all, 

 

Been stalking and staying up-to-date.  I'm a little silly-tired because I was up late working and it's now 1:30am.  Ouch.  Not so sure tomorrow's going to go so well.  

 

I really like the Dr. Sears book on vaccines.  We vax for the obvious reason that we're in China - we don't do the Varicella vaccine for chicken pox though and we do delay some (just a very very little bit).  I'd like to limit my kiddos exposure to the stuff in vaccines, but I think - even if we do move back to the US - we'll continue to vax.  I've heard some really horrible horror stories of pertussis, and I've seen firsthand the ravaging effects of polio on a child's poor, defenseless body. I just acted as a translator and volunteer coordinator for a few months for an orphan here who just had two steel rods put into his C-shaped back after living with polio.  He'll never walk and he'll never know his parents who abandoned him, but he'll have a better life now.  

 

I know no one else lives in China and quite faces these same issues (my son is even already vaxed for Rabies pre-exposure!) - so our situations and discernments are different - but I've been grateful for the perspective that living in a less disease-eradicated country has given me.  

 

Hope everyone's week is off to a decent start... off to try to sleep (ilovechotchkes - YES - I can relate to your sleep discomfort - I'm constantly shifting around these days!)... 

 

Oh - and LeAnn - you had asked how I'm still doing situps - just did 2 sets tonight post run and tried to think it through for you - I just modify them a bit (not doing full up and down sit ups - but more like crunches) and work my abs as best I can - I rely a lot on intuition to make moves work for pregnancy rather than anything else.  I just run if I want to run, bike if I want to bike, etc... I stay away from things like oh... playing soccer, trying to 'dart' across streets to make a bus, or running on streets in China with an unsteady belly (I stay on the track now because it's mayhem out here!).  

post #33 of 87
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Anyone else having a HELL of a time sleeping?

 

YES. The last week I have averaged 3-5 hours each night trying to fall asleep, its been horrible.

 

 

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I know no one else lives in China and quite faces these same issues (my son is even already vaxed for Rabies pre-exposure!) - so our situations and discernments are different - but I've been grateful for the perspective that living in a less disease-eradicated country has given me.

 

This to some extent is our situation also, not in Europe per say but all over Eastern Europe/North Africa and Asia with DS1 and exposing him to all sorts of thing/places/food/etc before he was even a year old really put me on the vax wagon. Seeing people in India with Polio was also enough to not want to even risk delaying.. anyhow

 

 

post #34 of 87

LilyTiger, good luck with your test!  

Sallyrae, I also read the vaccine book.  Thanks for sharing your experience.  I am having a hard time finding a doctor that will do delayed vaccines.  I have to drive over an hour away and only have one practice to choose from.  

Ithappened,  glad that bottomless pit thing has happened to you too.  For some reason I thought people were only eating small meals at this point and feeling so full with small amounts.  It is very strange to eat and eat and feel literally nothing.  About the iron thing, you might have already had your iron levels checked if you did a GD test?  I haven't done a GD test yet since I asked to delay it but they check for anemia at the same time I was told.  Hope your scan goes good and I look forward to your results!  Sorry that FIL is giving you so much stress :(  That sounds HORRIBLE!  

Ilovetchotchkes, I am sorry you are having sleeping problems.  That really sucks.  No problems sleeping here yet.  I sleep any way I want and quite comfortably.  If I didn't have to get up to pee so much I would say nothing has changed from my normal sleeping pattern.   

Newmumjoy, LO did have a growth spurt but I only gained a pound in 2 weeks.  I have no idea how that happened since the last two before that I gained 4 and didn't eat nearly as much as I have been lately.  I am in a bottomless pit stage. I am sorry your DH has to travel so much in the month of May and probably June too.  That is really hard.  

Lizbiz, thanks for sharing your experiences with vacc's too.  

Justchanti, Sounds like you have a lot of plans coming up, changes, and a lot of big stuff.  I hope your DH can keep his job.  I am jealous you get to drink a naked smoothie for your GD test!  Now that doesn't sound bad.  I was given the choice between gross drink and a ton of jelly beans, neither sound appealing but a smoothie does sound good.  

Intime0, not too hot here.  A lot warmer than usual but nothing too bad.  But we will see if my tune changes this summer.  

Waffler, glad everything looked great and you are not risked out.  Sounds like everything is going overall great!  Good luck finding a ped.  

LeAnn, sounds like another great weekend!  I hope you do get another scan, just a quick one, so you can know for sure.  

Andaluza, your weekend sounds great as it feels so refreshing to get rid of things and declutter but you also got money for it too, so that is a win/win.  The co-sleeper was a great deal.  That is strange about getting up feeling that way.  I wonder what that was?  I am sorry things have been stressful!  I hope they get less so.  

 

post #35 of 87

For those of you who like to read these kind of articles, here's an interesting one about autism:

 

http://www.alternet.org/story/155119/why_is_autism_so_drastically_on_the_rise_an_environmental_horror_story/?page=1

post #36 of 87

Sallyrae, I may have to get that book.  That's been my (completely unsupported and untested) hypothesis for a long time now.  I just don't think human brains are meant to be exposed to the chemical cocktails of stuff we expose them to.  Yet another reason why I'm only using coconut oil on my skin and vinegar for house cleaning.  If I can't eat it, I can't understand spreading it all over my house/body.  It's interesting that we are so obsessed about anti-bacterial products when we have an immune system that's created for that exact purpose and yet we don't worry at all about slathering our kids and bodies and food in chemicals every day.  Weird.

post #37 of 87

 

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Sallyrae, I may have to get that book.  That's been my (completely unsupported and untested) hypothesis for a long time now.  I just don't think human brains are meant to be exposed to the chemical cocktails of stuff we expose them to.  Yet another reason why I'm only using coconut oil on my skin and vinegar for house cleaning.  If I can't eat it, I can't understand spreading it all over my house/body.  It's interesting that we are so obsessed about anti-bacterial products when we have an immune system that's created for that exact purpose and yet we don't worry at all about slathering our kids and bodies and food in chemicals every day.  Weird.

 

I completely agree with you. We're all human guinea pigs...I swear. There's no way to know how everything interacts or to know what half of the ingredients are in everything we use. I'll stick to the basics. Vinegar, baking soda, non-packaged foods (as much as I can, that is), olive oil, etc...

post #38 of 87

 

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I'm having a lot of weird pain. I think its my joints going all wonky with the relaxin. Ugh. :( 
 


Anyone else having a HELL of a time sleeping? i'm now at the stage where I CANNOT CANNOT get comfortable at night. :( And to think! i've got at LEAST 14 weeks left (My son was born at 40 weeks exactly so i'm banking on that. LOL ). I need MOAR pillows but there are only so many in the house. O_O And then of course the last few nights we've had a "midnight visiter" crawling into bed going "maa ? mama? mamaaaa? " Oy. 

 

 

 

I really am enjoying my chiropractor, and I was super skeptical. I went because I was in so much pain and she has me pretty sorted out in two visits. I'm also just enjoying having someone to talk to about moving my body and the changes it is going through.

I have been having trouble sleeping, too. Last night I switched from my usual cotton quilt to just a sheet and that helped, i was cooler and I didn't feel like me and my million pillows kept getting tangled up.

 

post #39 of 87
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Originally Posted by LilyTiger View Post It's interesting that we are so obsessed about anti-bacterial products when we have an immune system that's created for that exact purpose

 

funny right? I also find the 'detox' diets weird for the same reason, isn't that what a liver is for...? or am I missing something?

 

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I have been having trouble sleeping, too. Last night I switched from my usual cotton quilt to just a sheet and that helped, i was cooler and I didn't feel like me and my million pillows kept getting tangled up.

 

 

ugh. sorry to hear this is happening to you too boots. I found if I can get the room really cold as well, and then have 4-5 pillows between my legs/belly etc I can sometimes go to sleep but often I end up just rolling around for 3-5 hours before having to get up for a while and try again.. and I feel like its just going to get worse :(

 

 

Question:

 

Is anyone doing infusions at all? I was thinking I should start soon, last pregnancy I did them pretty faithfully the last trimester.. usually I do a RRL with peppermint, stining nettle, fennel and a bit of dandelion root.. curious if anyone has any fav. mixes, esp. for PP healing and such.

post #40 of 87

 

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I just don't think human brains are meant to be exposed to the chemical cocktails of stuff we expose them to.  ...

 

I agree!!  They are not!!!!  I'm pretty much convinced that with all the BPAs, pthalates, pesticides, GMOs, etc. we are going to render our human race infertile (or at least horribly flawed) within the next 2-3 generations.... it's already being revealed in some animal studies....  :(

 

Boots - so glad that you're having good luck w/your chiro!!

 

As far as infusions..... I know nothing on the subject, but would also love to hear if anyone does have experience or suggestions!

 

 

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