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Quick question...I just remembered I'm supposed to have the GBS test today. I've been taking probiotics daily for two weeks but is there anything else I should know or do? If it's like last time, I'll be the one doing the swab, not the midwife...I want to avoid IV's of any kind during labor at almost any cost so...really need this one to be negative.

On my phone...

If you are doing the swan, then just take it out of the package, put it in the test tube and give it back. They are only testing for the, so the lack of other things won't be noticed. That's what I did with my second baby. So for the typos. Autocorrect...

Keeping in mind I'm a total newbie here, why would you want to hide possible GBS? Is it because the infection rate in a newborn is low enough that possible complications from taking antibiotics during labor outweighs it?
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Keeping in mind I'm a total newbie here, why would you want to hide possible GBS? Is it because the infection rate in a newborn is low enough that possible complications from taking antibiotics during labor outweighs it?

 

Not exactly.  I, personally, am less concerned about the antibiotics, and more concerned about the interventions both in labor, and potentially immediatly after birth.  The risk of GBS is actually quite low, outside of risk factors.  Also, GBS status can change on a frequent basis, so testing a mother 2-4 weeks before birth is not indicitive of her status during labor. 

 

I would far rather pay attention to the risk factors (prolonged rupture of membranes, fever, rapid breathing in newborn, etc), than pin my stakes on a test than a.) may or may not be accurate, and b.) often leads to intervention.

 

If, like in my case, you have short labors and can't get the antibiotics in that 4hr window, many hosptials will want to test the baby after birth.  I'm just not real excited about a blood draw for my newborn who has NO risk factors. 

 

Not to mention, I really don't want to labor with an IV or hep lock.  I don't need something poking me in the arm when I need to be able to relax and move freely.  My first two were hampered by that, and I really don't want to go back to that place.

post #63 of 140
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Keeping in mind I'm a total newbie here, why would you want to hide possible GBS? Is it because the infection rate in a newborn is low enough that possible complications from taking antibiotics during labor outweighs it?

Yeah pretty much that...after I posted my question today, I ended up using the "search forum" function (totally cool!) and found the older posts from this group on GBS - it's been widely discussed here over the last few months.

Cristeen posted a really great summary awhile ago - I'll quote her if she doesn't mind ;-)

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Well, the first thing I suggest you do is read up on GBS, so you understand what you're looking at. Because nothing makes it "go away". Not antibiotics, not natural measures. It is completely normal for your body (and all bodies) to have GBS present in/on the body. It is one of the bacteria that we carry around on a regular basis, along with hundreds of others. It is naturally occurring in the GI tract, and commonly found around the anus for this reason. These measures are intended to minimize it, not eliminate it.

Then I'd start asking questions. What is your HCP's testing protocol (how do they do the test - what locations do they swab, do they do it or do you)? What is their testing threshold (how many bacteria present - some have a threshold of zero, some have a threshold of a few hundred/thousand)? When do they do the test (36 wks, 38 wks, labor)? What are your options if you refuse the test? What are your options if you test positive? What are the protocols for your delivery location or your backup delivery location?

And then there are things you need to know about GBS on top of that. Some the pps have already shared...

A test done weeks before labor means nothing. A positive at that time can easily change to negative in the intervening time, and a negative can become positive. This is one of the BIG complaints about the entire concept of the GBS testing. This is the big reason why most people have no issue with doing what they have to in order to pass the test - it's worth is questionable at best.

A hibiclens douche in labor has been proven to be as or more effective as IV antibiotics during labor at preventing GBS colonization. It also doesn't have the negative side effects of antibiotics. It is not widely available (on-site), but if you can get your practitioner to agree to it, you can order it/bring it yourself.

There is an "instant" GBS test available, that does not need to be done in advance of labor. It will tell your practitioner whether you are colonized at that moment, rather than weeks before. It is not widely available, but you can ask your practitioner about it. Chances are the answer will be no though.

And then the things to know about infection in general:

Once your water breaks, or you suspect your water has broken, do not allow unnecessary vaginal exams. Ask what they hope to learn from this exam, and what they plan to do with it. If it cannot be avoided, then insist on a sterile exam rather than a "regular" (non-sterile) exam. Anyone who argues with you on that point needs to be read the riot act, IMO, and definitely doesn't have your (or baby's) best interests in mind.

Allowing anyone to rupture your membranes or insert anything into your uterus (internal monitoring is a big one) is a road to infection. Avoid it whenever possible.

If you have the option, use a peri bottle after peeing during labor. Pat, don't wipe.

And ultimately, if you do have to have antibiotics during labor, be prepared to counteract their effects. Probiotics for yourself and baby are crucial - you can open a capsule and sprinkle a bit on your nipple a few times a day before nursing.

I had an IV during my labor with DD1 and it made things MUCH worse both comfort wise and for my ability to move around, so I really want to avoid that. Plus the fact that I never take antibiotics and don't know how my body and the baby's body will react to a dose during labor.

This entire pregnancy I have said no to almost all interventions and I'm comfortable sticking with that M.O. I don't think it's the right approach for everyone, but it works for me.
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Nope, same time of day.  She said it was within the normal range, so I'm not worried.  Just curious.  :)

My last appointment, baby's heartbeat was 120 and it's normally always in the 140-ish range. Midwife shrugged and said, "eh, baby's sleeping. Don't worry about it, it would pick up if we had you do some jumping jacks but I'm sure baby is happy." And it's true, usually the baby is awake and kicking when they check the heartrate.

 

 

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I had the weirdest night last night.  I just HAD to go to bed at 6:30, I was falling asleep no matter what.  Of course I woke up at 2:30 and couldn't get back to sleep, so I got up and cleaned the living room, organized a bunch of stuff and did some laundry.  Had some BH contractions all night (early morning) and day. Early this morning I was convinced I was going to go into labor today, but not so convinced anymore.  Probably be another 3 weeks!

 

I had the ultrasound on Monday and the midwife says everything looks great.  The U/S machine said everything was measuring right on 35 weeks (I'm nearly 38) but I don't know how accurate that measurement.  MW is confident that everything is OK with baby.  I'm feeling much better now that I'm not sitting in carbon monoxide all day.  The last 3 weeks have been fantastic, having energy, and not being nauseuous all the time.  Oh and I got my allergy tests back and it says I'm not allergic to dairy or wheat, so whatever is making me sick must be the pregnancy, which is the best news ever!

 

So glad to hear it's all going ok! Could the possible allergy to dairy or wheat have been the CO2 as well? Such a relief to feel well again, I'm sure.

 

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Thank you ladies for your kind words and encouragement.  I'm feeling a bit better about it all today and focusing on sitting/being in good positions to encourage her to move a bit.

 

Sara - loved the pictures!  Thanks for the laugh! :)

 

I wanted to agree with what everyone else said- baby can turn, each birth is different, all that stuff. I also wanted to mention that it's not necessarily the posterior/anterior part that makes it hard. Some posterior babies are born as easy as the anterior, with none of hte possible "problems" associated with a posterior birth. It's that head position that is the bigger problem. My first was posterior asynclitic (head tilted sideways) and that was pretty rough. My second was- to the best of my knowledge- posterior with a military presentation, coming head straight-on with no flexion and he was pretty firmly stuck for awhile until he flipped himself anterior with a well flexed head. A poorly positioned head, which is what you had the last time as well, I think you said, is a bigger problem then posterior. Try not to get stuck on just the overall position. Maybe baby is posterior and there to stay, but with a well-positioned head to make the labour totally different from the last. So many factors out of our control, so the best we can do is take deep breaths and focus on posture. Or maybe some pulsitilla and a well trained chiropactor ;)

 

 

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So...despite my deep seated fear of authority figures...I totally did exactly this today. Give yourself a brownie point for empowering a sister. smile.gif
I was negative with both kids, I've been taking probiotics consistently throughout this pregnancy and I plan on refusing pelvic exams and given everything else I read here (and elsewhere) about the GBS test and the protocols that go with it...I'm totally happy with my choice. I felt liberated walking out of the office today.
Plus...I saw one of my favorite midwives today and in addition to my blood pressure being great (it was a little high the last two times), the baby is - according to her at least - head down and facing the right way. Not engaged at all, but I'm not worried about that since DD2 didn't descend much at all until I was in transition in labor.
So yay. Thanks for the tip Just1. smile.gif
Bubble - I hope your SO can be there for the birth!! Sorry you have to worry about it! Hope the baby cooperates. smile.gif When is your actual DD?

 

Yay! I love that "ha, take that authority figures!" feeling. I don't like doctors much and have a problem with authority figures, but I tend to do whatever they say (hynotised, practically!) and just rage about it afterwards. I wish I'd thought of doing this, Just1, it's a good idea.

 

 

I've bene out of the group for a bit- still reading, but never have time to catch up. It's way past my bedtime and i'm going to regret this tomorrow, but I've been wanting to post for ages!

 

Nothing new here. Been cleaning/organizing like a mad fool. Baby is MUCH lower this week than last week and it's getting pretty uncomfortable. Feeling exhuasted a lot of the time.

 

Just got off the phone with my sister... her placenta previa turns out to be vasa previa, where the veins/arteries are running over the cervix, but instead of being encased inside the umbilical cord and attaching directly to the placenta they are running through the membranes, with no cord to protect them, until they reach the placenta. Very rare, very dangerous. She's waiting on a referral to an OB, but her quick internet searches seem to indicate that if she goes into labour or her membranes rupture then...well, it's bad. We may very well end up having babies at the same time, and she's due more than a month after me. We're all panicking a bit, but with some of that "I'm sure it will be FINE!" denial thrown in for good measure.

post #65 of 140
Thanks for reposting that. I should have used the search function here rather than Dr. Google. The only thing I could find there was the fact that a negative test was not a guarantee you didn't carry GBS, so no matter what, you'd still have to be on guard.
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Seriously I have been using MDC on my iphone for so long, I really only realized there WAS a search forum function today when I logged on with my laptop. :-) but yeah...it's a good way to go back and find those posts you know you read but can't quite remember when.
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I am another IV hater... hater!  One thing about a hospital, is that if you are not gbs negative, and often even with a card (sometimes they don't check your chart or it gets 'lost') they will force you to have an IV, so without confirmation that you had the test and are gbs negative, they will force an IV.  total BS.

 

I don't know if I am hormonal and just pissed at everything right now, but I am hating my midwife group.  I skipped the glucose test, and did a fasting blood test instead of the one with glucola.  I just didn't eat breakfast, and went in for blood draw. Super low blood sugar...

 

But now they are freaking out and I am like, if this wasn't satisfactory then why bring it up now when I am like 39 weeks? So I might now be able to birth in the water... screw them, though.  Just try to get me out of the water!  HAHAHA.  I am just hating the stupid arbitrary rules and lectures on "low risk doesn't mean no risk.." I swear I feel like I am listening to my kids when they say "what if chickens had purple hair and ruled the world." Or when they say, "what ifs"

 

Like, let's sit around and think of things that could happen, but in all probability won't.

 

Anyway-- oh, Sandy had her baby!  A little girl!  She is super cute!  But we should wait for her announcement... for the rest of the info.  That is happy news.
 

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I am another IV hater... hater!  One thing about a hospital, is that if you are not gbs negative, and often even with a card (sometimes they don't check your chart or it gets 'lost') they will force you to have an IV, so without confirmation that you had the test and are gbs negative, they will force an IV.  total BS.

I don't know if I am hormonal and just pissed at everything right now, but I am hating my midwife group.  I skipped the glucose test, and did a fasting blood test instead of the one with glucola.  I just didn't eat breakfast, and went in for blood draw. Super low blood sugar...

But now they are freaking out and I am like, if this wasn't satisfactory then why bring it up now when I am like 39 weeks? So I might now be able to birth in the water... screw them, though.  Just try to get me out of the water!  HAHAHA.  I am just hating the stupid arbitrary rules and lectures on "low risk doesn't mean no risk.." I swear I feel like I am listening to my kids when they say "what if chickens had purple hair and ruled the world." Or when they say, "what ifs"

Like, let's sit around and think of things that could happen, but in all probability won't.

Anyway-- oh, Sandy had her baby!  A little girl!  She is super cute!  But we should wait for her announcement... for the rest of the info.  That is happy news.

 

OMG YES!!! (uh...I am stalking the board pretty much nonstop now waiting for birth announcements so I am giving in to the urge to overpost)

I cannot believe your midwives are just now giving you grief about your GD status. Totally absurd. "Low risk doesn't mean no risk" - why can't we just address problems if and when they arise instead of borrowing trouble. Way to make a pregnancy and birth all about worry and fear instead of...I don't know....welcoming a new life into the world. A few obscenities come to my mind in response to this kind of nonsense. ;-)

In other news...Hurray for Sandy joy.gif - cannot wait to hear more!!
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OMG YES!!! (uh...I am stalking the board pretty much nonstop now waiting for birth announcements so I am giving in to the urge to overpost)
I cannot believe your midwives are just now giving you grief about your GD status. Totally absurd. "Low risk doesn't mean no risk" - why can't we just address problems if and when they arise instead of borrowing trouble. Way to make a pregnancy and birth all about worry and fear instead of...I don't know....welcoming a new life into the world. A few obscenities come to my mind in response to this kind of nonsense. ;-)
In other news...Hurray for Sandy joy.gif - cannot wait to hear more!!

 

Yeah, it really bummed me out with what was an otherwise pretty hands off feeling practice. I was going to jump the hoops since I might not be able to have a water birth now.... why I don't know... but I can still labor in the water.  I just think it is dumb.  And then the labs were all dumb about it--I went to the office because last week they told me they could do the blood draw there...

 

Then today they say no, we can't go to the lab down the hall.... so I go down the hall and the guy is like, no  I can't do it here, you have to go across the street....

 

Um, hello people this is a freaking timed test!  by that point is was 3 hours later, and not 2, and I was just grumpy and didn't want to have to go deal with more stupid looks and questions... so I left.

 

I mean, say I am diabetic... the baby will have the same treatment whether I take the test now or not, right? And I have historically *low* blood sugar issues....

 

ugh, but yes, let's focus on the positive of a new sweet baby!  We need more!

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Yay!!! I can't wait to read about/see pictures of the latest addition to the club. Go Sandy and her little girl!

Anyone heard from Goddess?

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DH just got let go from work! IDK WHAT we are going o do. I'm freaking out.

 

39 weeks today.

 

Horray for Sandy!

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DH just got let go from work! IDK WHAT we are going o do. I'm freaking out.

 

39 weeks today.

 

I'm so sorry to hear that.  This is the last thing you should be worrying about right now  :(

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My last appointment, baby's heartbeat was 120 and it's normally always in the 140-ish range. Midwife shrugged and said, "eh, baby's sleeping. Don't worry about it, it would pick up if we had you do some jumping jacks but I'm sure baby is happy." And it's true, usually the baby is awake and kicking when they check the heartrate.

 

 

 

So glad to hear it's all going ok! Could the possible allergy to dairy or wheat have been the CO2 as well? Such a relief to feel well again, I'm sure.

 

 

I wanted to agree with what everyone else said- baby can turn, each birth is different, all that stuff. I also wanted to mention that it's not necessarily the posterior/anterior part that makes it hard. Some posterior babies are born as easy as the anterior, with none of hte possible "problems" associated with a posterior birth. It's that head position that is the bigger problem. My first was posterior asynclitic (head tilted sideways) and that was pretty rough. My second was- to the best of my knowledge- posterior with a military presentation, coming head straight-on with no flexion and he was pretty firmly stuck for awhile until he flipped himself anterior with a well flexed head. A poorly positioned head, which is what you had the last time as well, I think you said, is a bigger problem then posterior. Try not to get stuck on just the overall position. Maybe baby is posterior and there to stay, but with a well-positioned head to make the labour totally different from the last. So many factors out of our control, so the best we can do is take deep breaths and focus on posture. Or maybe some pulsitilla and a well trained chiropactor ;)

 

 

 

Yay! I love that "ha, take that authority figures!" feeling. I don't like doctors much and have a problem with authority figures, but I tend to do whatever they say (hynotised, practically!) and just rage about it afterwards. I wish I'd thought of doing this, Just1, it's a good idea.

 

 

I've bene out of the group for a bit- still reading, but never have time to catch up. It's way past my bedtime and i'm going to regret this tomorrow, but I've been wanting to post for ages!

 

Nothing new here. Been cleaning/organizing like a mad fool. Baby is MUCH lower this week than last week and it's getting pretty uncomfortable. Feeling exhuasted a lot of the time.

 

Just got off the phone with my sister... her placenta previa turns out to be vasa previa, where the veins/arteries are running over the cervix, but instead of being encased inside the umbilical cord and attaching directly to the placenta they are running through the membranes, with no cord to protect them, until they reach the placenta. Very rare, very dangerous. She's waiting on a referral to an OB, but her quick internet searches seem to indicate that if she goes into labour or her membranes rupture then...well, it's bad. We may very well end up having babies at the same time, and she's due more than a month after me. We're all panicking a bit, but with some of that "I'm sure it will be FINE!" denial thrown in for good measure.

Oh my!  That sounds so scary.  :(  How did they find it?  U/S?  Will she have a c-section?  I hope everything turns out well.

 

 

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I am another IV hater... hater!  One thing about a hospital, is that if you are not gbs negative, and often even with a card (sometimes they don't check your chart or it gets 'lost') they will force you to have an IV, so without confirmation that you had the test and are gbs negative, they will force an IV.  total BS.

 

I don't know if I am hormonal and just pissed at everything right now, but I am hating my midwife group.  I skipped the glucose test, and did a fasting blood test instead of the one with glucola.  I just didn't eat breakfast, and went in for blood draw. Super low blood sugar...

 

But now they are freaking out and I am like, if this wasn't satisfactory then why bring it up now when I am like 39 weeks? So I might now be able to birth in the water... screw them, though.  Just try to get me out of the water!  HAHAHA.  I am just hating the stupid arbitrary rules and lectures on "low risk doesn't mean no risk.." I swear I feel like I am listening to my kids when they say "what if chickens had purple hair and ruled the world." Or when they say, "what ifs"

 

Like, let's sit around and think of things that could happen, but in all probability won't.

 

Anyway-- oh, Sandy had her baby!  A little girl!  She is super cute!  But we should wait for her announcement... for the rest of the info.  That is happy news.
 

 

Yay!  I can't wait to see an announcement!  :D  And pictures!!  :D  banana.gif

 

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DH just got let go from work! IDK WHAT we are going o do. I'm freaking out.

 

39 weeks today.

 

Horray for Sandy!

 

I'm so sorry.  :(  I wish I had some advice or something.  hug2.gif

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That's awful.  What timing!  I'm so sorry.  I hope something great pops up for him soon.

 

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DH just got let go from work! IDK WHAT we are going o do. I'm freaking out.

 

39 weeks today.

 

Horray for Sandy!

 

 

post #75 of 140

I'm sorry SoSu greensad.gif that's terrible in general and terrible timing... Hoping that something good comes up for your DH or that something good comes out of this otherwise. Thinking of you! Hang in there.

 

Grace, how scary about your sister. I've never even heard of that. Why would it happen? Any idea?  When is her due date?  Will have her and her little one in my thoughts as well. 

 

Someone mentioned stalking the boards leading to a tendency to over-post - thats me right now!  Hope you all don't mind hearing from me non-stop. Geez, I hope I'm not annoying innocent.gif

Can I just say that I was in a DDC back in 2008 when I was pregnant with DS... and it was very active and supportive, but... really, nothing like this DDC has been. I feel super committed to our DDC and just want everyone to know how wonderful it's been for me this pregnancy having you all as virtual friends.  Thanks so much! joy.gif

post #76 of 140

Oh, Sosu that's terrible news! Hopefully he finds something awesome...and fast!

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Sosu - big hugs. My husband ended up getting a job working at a service station for minimum wage, but you know what? I couldn't be prouder of him for supporting our family in an honest way giving the economy especially when I hear of so many men having a 'thats beneath me' attitude. I don't know what industry your dh is in (mine was technical maintenance. T echnician for companies like HP, Intel, Mitsubishi) but we all know what has become of many American workers in those companies. So, even with your husband being let go - you will get through this and things will get better and Our Heavenly Father does provide, even if it isn't the way we think it should be.

So stay positive as best as you can <3 <3 <3

post #78 of 140

Did I even update on my mw apt this week? I think not. I am measuring 48CM and babe is still anterior. My vein in my right leg has popped out something awful and is so ugly. :(

Every thing was healthy, babe sounded good..and I think I am next in line to give birth by now with my mw. haha

 

Today I have to summon some energy and tackle this house some. We have a showing at 5 pm tonight so yippee. Just love the idea of my whole space being invaded by a stranger (cant wait to hear the questions over the water birth tub!). .sarcasm lol

 

DH stayed up and steam cleaned the rug and it looks SO NICE. I woke up at 230 to use the restroom and he was just laying there in his chair with his eyes open. He mentioned he felt sad (sad?? My husband never gets SAD- yk?) to me about some spiritual stuff going on earlier, but I told him (nicely) I didn't have the answers. My husband is pretty rock solid, so whatever it is  I hope we can find an answer for it. He got up at 5am and went to work. Yeah, exactly.

 

We were not able to get financing for the house. Not even 20k worth. Credit score needs to be atleast 650 and since we have lived most all of our lives without credit cards, but we have assumed student loans - we don't have a score that high combined with our income (obviously as mentioned above its minimum wage...we only pay $300 a month to live here so we have been provided for) we do not qualify.

So, keep the house on the market and maybe the creditors will get tired and go away and us kids can keep my Dad's house.

I told DH if it sells we'll go buy an old school bus and live like hippies, so don't worry... ;)

 

Thats my update for the week. Doing good. No energy. Hungry. and hoping my husband isnt the one getting prenatal depression.

 

 

post #79 of 140

Bubblema - I'm a firm believer in the power of having control over your body and things happening when they are meant to happen!  I'm keep my fingers crossed that your LO will come at just the right time!  My mom (elementary school teacher) did not have a substitute to cover her class until March 19th... guess when I was born... 10pm on March 19th!

 

Sosu - Hoping that everything works out in an even better way for you!

 

Everyone else with stress and bad things - lots and lots of HUGS and prayers for all!

 

Had my 36 week appointment this morning.  MW did the GBS swab.  I'm really hoping it's negative because I have a huge issue with needles and being "tied down".  I cannot imagine laboring hooked up to an iv.  Though she said, "If it is positive we would offer you antibiotics while in labor."  That made it seem like the option to reject them might be well received.  We'll see.

 

So then she did a pelvic exam and first thing she said was, "Wow!  This baby is so low!"  Already at 0 apparently, though no dilation and just a bit of thinning.  But now I feel validated since I have been feeling a lot of pressure down low.  Being my first, I don't really know what is "normal" or high or low etc.  But now I won't feel guilty for not demonstrating jumps for the kids when teaching my ballet classes.

 

DH and I are heading up to Amish country on Sunday to find a great rocking chair.  I'm really excited!

 

Can't wait to hear from Sandy! 

 

 

 

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UGH does anyone have any brilliant ideas for how to de-puff my hands just long enough that I can get my darn wedding ring off?! I can't believe it fit for 38 weeks - but my fingers have swollen so much the past two days and now the rings are stuck. I'm kind of freaking out.

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