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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

I've never questioned vaccinating until I started reading forums on MDC. I have high respect for the mothers here, so started to look into the issues related to vaccines.

 

I have a 10 month old daughter and she's had everything recommended up to 8 months. I felt that it was a lot of needles, but felt it was my responsibility to have her vaccinated. 

 

If she already started vaccinating, should I still continue, or can the rest be delayed? She's already had BCG, Vit K,  3 doses of DTaP-IPV, Pneumococcal Vaccine, and Hepatitis B Vaccine. The upcoming ones are MMR, chicken pox vax, and booster doses for pneumococcal and DTaP-IPV. They do 6-in-1 combo vaccines here (Hong Kong) nowadays to avoid pricking the baby too many times in one visit, and that just sounds like a lot of drugs at one time.

 

She was born in Hong Kong, but we live in India most of the time. They get the same vaccines there. Tetanus is apparently a big deal because they give 2 doses to pregnant women. 

 

What should I read to educate myself?

 

post #2 of 12

I read the CDC's information and the package inserts on the individual vaccines. That was enough for me. I have read several books, watched documentaries, and spoken to other mamas here and IRL. Vaccine Epidemic and the Age of Autism are great reads, and even though I don't believe that vaccines are fully responsible for autism, it presents some valid information, and goes outside of the autism scope. Vaccine Nation and Shots in the Dark are movies that I really enjoyed, but they are sad. Vaccination : The Hidden Truth is another good one. Also check out the websites www.nvic.org and www.vaclib.org

 

There is no reason you can't stop immediately. IMO, doing that will only be beneficial to her little body. Good luck, mama!

post #3 of 12

Hi Azhie, 

 

 I live in Brazil and they also do BCG here. My dd had bcg, dtap, ip, hib, and hep B.  I haven't given her anything since she was 6 months?, so 1 bcg, 3 rounds pentacel (dtap, hib, ip), and 3 hep B. I wouldn't do the same thing again, but what's done is done. They do the 6 in 1 here too, pentacel + hep B, but I refused that and altered months between those vax. Sometimes it is hard to find certain vax, I have a friend searching for daptacel (dtap), but they only seem to have pentacel. 

 

I am unsure about MMR (definitely not now if ever), and I know I wont do cp, and I am not going to do any boosters most likely, a lot of research shows that dtap has "good" efficacy after 3 doses, especially for D and T. 

IP I wanted because they do the oral polio here and it's not too unlikely that she could be exposed to that viruses shedded. Do they do Meningococcal there? 

 

I would try to start with Dr. Sears book, it is fairly neutral, or as neutral as it gets.

And then I would start looking at each disease/vaccine individually, for the ones that concern you. 

 

I would wait to vaccinate further until you are pretty confident in your decision. You can never undone vax, but you can always decide to vax later.

There is also nothing wrong with spacing out or delaying a bit too. Do you have a dr. who will be accepting? Mine is pretty ok with it, or was, I haven't been in a long time, but I will take her in for 2 yo checkup soon, I hope he is still ok. One nice thing where I am is that you take your child to a vaccine clinic, the dr. doesn't do it, so that gives more time to think and make decision without pressure. If your dr. is not accepting, I would find a new one asap.

post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thanks for these resources list!

 

I read in some other threads that you can always wait to vax later, but can't undo what's already done, which made me wonder whether there's a reason to keep going once you've started. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by lilbsmama View Post

I read the CDC's information and the package inserts on the individual vaccines. That was enough for me. I have read several books, watched documentaries, and spoken to other mamas here and IRL. Vaccine Epidemic and the Age of Autism are great reads, and even though I don't believe that vaccines are fully responsible for autism, it presents some valid information, and goes outside of the autism scope. Vaccine Nation and Shots in the Dark are movies that I really enjoyed, but they are sad. Vaccination : The Hidden Truth is another good one. Also check out the websites www.nvic.org and www.vaclib.org

 

There is no reason you can't stop immediately. IMO, doing that will only be beneficial to her little body. Good luck, mama!

 

 

post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thanks slmommy-- this is very informative.

 

As long as I don't take my dd to the doctor, then it's easy to avoid the vaccines. Otherwise, they go according to schedule here and are not tolerant of non-compliance (don't think there are too many cases though.. a couple mamas asked questions on a forum here about non-vaxing and responses were harsh).

 

I actually thought there are valid reasons for the vax schedule, but now I am wondering what is the rush of cramming all the vaccines in the first 1.5 years? 

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by slmommy View Post

Hi Azhie, 

 

 I live in Brazil and they also do BCG here. My dd had bcg, dtap, ip, hib, and hep B.  I haven't given her anything since she was 6 months?, so 1 bcg, 3 rounds pentacel (dtap, hib, ip), and 3 hep B. I wouldn't do the same thing again, but what's done is done. They do the 6 in 1 here too, pentacel + hep B, but I refused that and altered months between those vax. Sometimes it is hard to find certain vax, I have a friend searching for daptacel (dtap), but they only seem to have pentacel. 

 

I am unsure about MMR (definitely not now if ever), and I know I wont do cp, and I am not going to do any boosters most likely, a lot of research shows that dtap has "good" efficacy after 3 doses, especially for D and T. 

IP I wanted because they do the oral polio here and it's not too unlikely that she could be exposed to that viruses shedded. Do they do Meningococcal there? 

 

I would try to start with Dr. Sears book, it is fairly neutral, or as neutral as it gets.

And then I would start looking at each disease/vaccine individually, for the ones that concern you. 

 

I would wait to vaccinate further until you are pretty confident in your decision. You can never undone vax, but you can always decide to vax later.

There is also nothing wrong with spacing out or delaying a bit too. Do you have a dr. who will be accepting? Mine is pretty ok with it, or was, I haven't been in a long time, but I will take her in for 2 yo checkup soon, I hope he is still ok. One nice thing where I am is that you take your child to a vaccine clinic, the dr. doesn't do it, so that gives more time to think and make decision without pressure. If your dr. is not accepting, I would find a new one asap.

 

 

post #6 of 12

I have been told it is because some parents, and it must be a large percentage if it's true, stop bringing their lo's to well visits after the first year, so they like to get as many in as possible. I don't know if I believe that, but it's been said.

post #7 of 12
After watching our son have an adverse reaction to his first Hep B vaccine and then suffer immense injury, we looked into vaccines thoroughly. Just reading the ingredients and studying each one made us sick and very angry. We have chosen to not vaccinate any of our children anymore. We have a four year old who has never been vaccinated nor did he get the vit k shot. It is your choice. Study each ingredient and all reported adverse reactions. In the USA, the adverse reactions are on the gov website called VAERS. It is true, you can never undo vaccination. Please be very sure the risk is worth it for your family. If we could just go back we would never have vaccinated any of our children.
post #8 of 12

 

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Originally Posted by lilbsmama View Post

I have been told it is because some parents, and it must be a large percentage if it's true, stop bringing their lo's to well visits after the first year, so they like to get as many in as possible. I don't know if I believe that, but it's been said.

 

the most money is made in the first year off the patient.  

post #9 of 12

 

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Originally Posted by Indiana Nurse View Post

After watching our son have an adverse reaction to his first Hep B vaccine and then suffer immense injury, we looked into vaccines thoroughly. Just reading the ingredients and studying each one made us sick and very angry. We have chosen to not vaccinate any of our children anymore. We have a four year old who has never been vaccinated nor did he get the vit k shot. It is your choice. Study each ingredient and all reported adverse reactions. In the USA, the adverse reactions are on the gov website called VAERS. It is true, you can never undo vaccination. Please be very sure the risk is worth it for your family. If we could just go back we would never have vaccinated any of our children.

 


Indiana Nurse.

 

Please know that I what I'm about to say is said with respect and as much sensitivity as I can.

 

I'm very sorry that your son had an adverse reaction to his first Hep B vaccination and suffered immense injury. I do hope he has recovered and has had no lasting ill effects.

 

I had all three of my children immunized against all diseases and illnesses that had an available vaccine at the time. None of them had any adverse reactions nor contracted any of the diseases or illnesses they had been immunized against.

Unfortunately, immunization was unavailable for pneumoccal and meningococcal meningitis at the time. My eldest daughter contracted meningitis and died quite suddenly. Despite well meaning people saying it's 'so rare', it was still heartbreaking for us to lose her. We were, I'm sure, similar to many many parents who thought "couldn't happen to us", but it did. And as for it being so 'rare', I don't believe this is necessarily the case. My daughter's half sister contracted it six years later. I have to add here that there was no genetic proof that it could have been some familial thing. It was simply 'bad luck'. Both girls contracted it from people who were not immunized, but were carriers. Fortunately, her half sister survived .... but not without great cost. She had both legs amputated, her left arm amputated and her right hand amputated. She spent many months in hospital and rehabilitation. Her kidneys were badly damaged and she eventually required a kidney transplant. Unfortunately, I have since met many parents who have lost their children to these hideous diseases where immunization wasn't available.

 

So, when you say "If we could just go back we would never have vaccinated any of our children.", I say "If vaccine was available for our children to be immunized at the time, we would be the first in line for it".

 

To all the mothers who participate in this forum, I really do not mean to offend, but like you, I wish to have my voice when it comes to immunization. It is a very personal choice. I realize that everyone has to make their own decisions on immunization. But I beg you to please make it a very, very well informed choice with vast research from both sides of the immunization debate. I don't want another parent to suffer the heartbreak we have.

 

I wish you all well.

 

Kindest regards - Concerned Mom

post #10 of 12

Concerned mom, I am sorry for your loss. Indiana Mom, I am sorry your child was injured by vaccine.

 

One thing I would like to point out is that there are many of causes of Meningitis and many not covered by any vaccine. 

 

But I don't think this topic is relevant in regards to the OP's questions or appropriate in the "I'm Not Vaccinating" Forum.

post #11 of 12

God bless you, Azhie, for being that strong person who questions the sense of giving so many vaccines at once, and you, too, Indiana Nurse.  I made my discovery of the harms caused by our overly aggressive vaccination schedule as Indiana Nurse did-- by direct observation of what they did to my children.  I don't need industry-funded "science" to prove me wrong, or for public health officials to tell me that I am stupid, or misinformed, when I am not.  

 

I am the mother of two vaccine-injured children.  We are done with vaccines.  The vaccines given to babies, children, and adults contain loads of neurotoxic aluminum, and many still contain at least trace amounts of mercury.  Despite what the talking heads will tell you, there is no safe amount of mercury to inject into a baby, or into a full grown person.  Ethyl mercury is not "safer" to inject than methyl mercury.  In fact, research has shown that ethyl mercury goes to the brain faster and stays there. Ethyl mercury doesn't leave the blood; it enters the brain.  The misinformation is deliberate and sickening.  If I could do it all again, I would not vaccinate my children, either. 

 

As an aside, I have read of many children who have died from meningococcal disease, after they were vaccinated against meningitis with Menactra.  Chris Dhume of Matawan, NJ is one such young person.  The vaccine is either ineffective against the strain, or it can make a child  more susceptible to the circulating strain. I am very sorry to all those who lose their children to disease, but I am also very sorry to all those who have lost their children due to the encephalitis caused by a vaccine they received on a well baby visit. I have a friend whose five year old daughter died two weeks post MMR shot due to measles induced viral encephalitis.  If your child has already had one MMR shot, what is the harm in having their blood titers tested to see if they are deemed "immune" to measles, mumps, and rubella?  Over 85% of children who receive one shot have more than sufficient antibodies to these diseases.  They do not need a booster. 

 

We must all live with the consequences of our decisions.  I just pray we continue to have the right to make vaccination decisions for our children without the intervention of health care professionals who do not have to live forever with a child (or children) with vaccine-induced brain damage, unless they learn about it the hard way, as many parents already have. 

post #12 of 12

 

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Originally Posted by slmommy View Post

Concerned mom, I am sorry for your loss. Indiana Mom, I am sorry your child was injured by vaccine.

 

One thing I would like to point out is that there are many of causes of Meningitis and many not covered by any vaccine. 

 

But I don't think this topic is relevant in regards to the OP's questions or appropriate in the "I'm Not Vaccinating" Forum.

 


Slmommy

 

My apologies if I've chosen the incorrect forum or thread to voice my opinion. I am new to this forum. I'm not so sure my comments were inappropriate or irrelevant though. Why do you say this topic is irrelevant in this forum? That puzzles me somewhat.

 

I did however, fail to mention in my post that I was fully aware that there are many causes and many strains of Meningitis, very few covered by vaccine. I don't claim to 'know it all', but have done years of research on the subject.

 

My point being was, in my previous post .... to make a very very well informed choice on immunization and vaccines after having done vast research on both sides of the debate. 

And I was simply pointing out to Indiana Nurse, I have the opposite feelings to her about 'going back and not immunizing'. In my daughter's case being immunized would have saved her life.

 

As I also said, it is a very personal choice to vaccinate or not. I was simply stating my views and mean no offence to any individual who uses this forum.

 

Regards - Concerned Mom

 

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