What a joke!
That's not really a training guide about vaccine safety. It's a training guide about communicating with concerned parents about an important public health initiative. Doctors undergo a lot of training about effective patient communication at a number of points in their education. The information included in this training is consistent with the published research.
I don't have time or energy to even start on this one. I hope it is a joke, but I doubt it, or not far from reality anyway.
People, if your dr. is a condescending $*#@&*%$ who you think has stock lines to "challenge" you instead of respecting your concerns or decision, find a new dr. You pay them, they work for you.
(NO, I am not suggesting that drs do anything patient wants, before anyone brings that up. And plenty of pedis are exercising their right to fire their patients over vax compliance too. I don't think dr. patient relationships should continue where one or both sides have absolutely no respect for the other).
On a side note, I wonder if pedis from older generation are more likely to be ok with sel/del/non vaxing. They remember prior schedules, have probably seen some reactions, aren't fresh out of med school, and have probably eaten humble pie a few times.
yeah, and that argument can go both ways........ chicken pox.
Or those accounts from drs. pre-mmr who asserted those vpds are well tolerated by healthy children (and back in the days moms had antibodies to pass along to infants)...
I won't even bring up Dr. Mendelsohn again.
You are right, the numbers are here for the deaths, pages 3 and 4, (also interesting to see the other #s and vpds)
about 400,000-700,000 cases per year and 300-600 deaths per year, (measles in 1950s and 60s)
And now vaxes are routine, annoying, slightly uncomfortable, and only cause problems in those with underlying health problems? Your point?
Well, two points would be that 1. natural infection gives lifetime immunity, vax no, and 2. natural infection improves ability of mother to pass measles antibodies to her baby (via placenta and breastmilk) which protects them in the early months of life, vaxed moms not so much.
This article also mentions Measles parties in UK, which I have also heard about being more common in Germany and Austria.
The first thing I posted, this
from 1967? puts herd immunity level at 55%. I guess that's why they thought they could eradicate measles in a year. Nowadays I believe they think we need at least low 90s for herd immunity.
I wonder how many adults who received MMR as kids no longer have immunity.
I wonder what will happen when baby boomer generation is out of the picture, the last generation with significant natural immunity.
I'm guessing that more boosters will need to be added after that chunk of population with natural immunity is no longer around. There are a lot of vaxed women who have lost immunity to rubella and find out during pregnancy. I haven't seen any numbers for measles, but I'm guessing there are quite a few adults who had MMRs as kids and it has worn off.
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