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post #21 of 40
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Originally Posted by IdentityCrisisMama View Post

For me, Amy, I guess I feel like the overall perception of homebirth in MD is wrapped up in the question of anonymity/secrecy. It certainly isn't a question of whether anyone wants to see another MW with legal troubles. I know I really appreciated the few times one MW in particular was open in the press about midwifery in MD, about the choice to practice without a recognized certification and the limitations that go along with that in other states. It was my understanding that, although CPMs were not recognized in MD they were practicing rather openly - on list serves, wonderfully written interviews, billing for insurance and etc. 

 

Of course things change and perhaps we are going back to a more "underground" situation. But it's OK to not think of this as a good thing -- even with what's going on in MD. If we have a MW who is willing to maintain openness right now that may well be good for HB in the area. 

 

The other thing is that I imagine from your posts that you're a birth professional, intimately involved in HB in MD...but for all we know you're just another MDC member with an opinion, you know?  I think being a HB-er, we're prone to saying, "Hey, give us some more information about this." And and asking questions like, "Is being openly secretive a good thing?" "What are our midwives actually saying?" 

 

In a way, the public choice to make discussing midwives in MD an underground thing is guiding the culture of MW in MD as a whole and I think it's reasonable to question that. I know there are a few activists groups in support of Midwifery in MD - I'm sure you and many other MDC members are part of those groups. Perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to make an official statement about this? 

 

 

I am a birth professional, but I don't attend HB in MD.  I strongly feel that clients should respect their midwives privacy and what they risk to attend births.  It's easy to say 'oh, well, if you want to attend births you're taking on a certain risk' and I think all unlicensed midwives are acutely aware of that risk.  I also think that as a HB consumer, it's my responsibility to protect my midwife to the best of my ability.  There's a group - MD familes for safe birth I believe is the name.  I can't make a statement for them because I'm not on their board/media relations/whathaveyou.  Maybe their website has an official statement?  I do know that there was a rally a couple of months ago about a bill to legalize CPMs, but I don't believe the bill has gone anywhere.  I think that in this area (PA/MD/DE) we have a false sense of security about our midwives and speak openly about them, and it's not always the most prudent decision.  Asking the midwives themselves if they mind being publicly named is a better option than naming them and assuming they're okay with it.  I'm not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, but these women have a life and families and we need to protect them just like they protect us imo.

post #22 of 40
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Originally Posted by IdentityCrisisMama View Post

 

OK, so you have spoken to KC, KW and MAMAS?  Do you happen to know if KC would not like us to discuss her at all? Are there some good lists for finding MWs outside of the MD boarder? OP, I'm PM'ing you a MW group that says they attend births in MD. 

Sorry, I didn't see this!  KC and KW have said that they don't want to be discussed.  I don't know MAMAS - I overlooked the post mentioning them - so no idea.  I'd suggest asking them  :)  

post #23 of 40

I hear ya, Amy. It's a complicated issue because everyone who homebirths in MD with a MW comes to know at least their MW and we form our feelings about how to handle this topic during the time that we spent with them. We also birthed in a climate that we were comfortable with as far as how accepted and open our birth choices were at the time. But, times change and circumstances change. 

 

I will share that I do think a well thought out public statement about this issue is a great way to handle this. The odd parent or birth professional who is dialed into the current requests of our MWs policing MDC is not an ideal solution to a question that is sure to be asked again and again until we have more birth options. 

post #24 of 40

 The MAMAS midwives are licensed Certified Nurse Midwives who are licensed in both Maryland and DC. They are based out of Takoma Park, MD and their travel radius is limited.
 

post #25 of 40
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Originally Posted by amymaew View Post

I said TO PM, not not to lol. 

I apologize. My mistake. I replied In haste and wasn't reading carefully.
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Originally Posted by IdentityCrisisMama View Post

For me, Amy, I guess I feel like the overall perception of homebirth in MD is wrapped up in the question of anonymity/secrecy. It certainly isn't a question of whether anyone wants to see another MW with legal troubles. I know I really appreciated the few times one MW in particular was open in the press about midwifery in MD, about the choice to practice without a recognized certification and the limitations that go along with that in other states. It was my understanding that, although CPMs were not recognized in MD they were practicing rather openly - on list serves, wonderfully written interviews, billing for insurance and etc. 

Of course things change and perhaps we are going back to a more "underground" situation. But it's OK to not think of this as a good thing -- even with what's going on in MD. If we have a MW who is willing to maintain openness right now that may well be good for HB in the area. 

The other thing is that I imagine from your posts that you're a birth professional, intimately involved in HB in MD...but for all we know you're just another MDC member with an opinion, you know?  I think being a HB-er, we're prone to saying, "Hey, give us some more information about this." And and asking questions like, "Is being openly secretive a good thing?" "What are our midwives actually saying?" 

In a way, the public choice to make discussing midwives in MD an underground thing is guiding the culture of MW in MD as a whole and I think it's reasonable to question that. I know there are a few activists groups in support of Midwifery in MD - I'm sure you and many other MDC members are part of those groups. Perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to make an official statement about this? 

Thank you for this, and your other well-thought-out replies.

I would first like to say that I would never want to intentionally put a midwife at risk or "out" them for any reason. The only names I have ever put up on this board are names that I have heard others give the ok for. I have not spoken to kw personally, so I guess I don't know what she herself thinks about being discussed here in public.

Two things get to me when these discussions come up, and I understand this is a personal issue for a lot of people and I don't want to dismiss anyone's feelings or the risk midwives are taking to do a great service for women. I certainly understand that they have lives and families and they aren't acting in a vacuum or a simple black and white world. I digress, here are the two things that get me:
1. If some bad guy or law enforcement official or disgruntled patient or OB with an axe to grind is looking to out midwives, there are plenty of places to find names besides the discussion boards. There are md birth professionals websites, yellow page listings that list kc, among other unlicensed people. Kw is on facebook! It's not as if these midwives are operating off the grid. Their info is everywhere, I find it hard to believe that a mention on these forums will be the make-or-break mention that is the difference between prosecution and freedom. Perhaps that's not a good enough reason, but I believe it's naive to think if we are just hush-hush about it, no one will find out what's going on. To my knowledge, for the midwives that are in trouble right now, their trouble stemmed from hospital personnel. Not some evil web troll out looking for victims. Again, I have not mentioned anyone's name that I thought did not want to be mentioned, and I never would! This is the first I have heard of kw's request to not be discussed and I will not mention her name again except in pm's.

2. I believe secrecy is anathema to freedom of birth choice. We need information. We need transparency. We are always demanding more and more information, statistics, evidence based medicine, etc from the health care community, and yet when it comes to the issue of unlicensed midwives, it seems there is an air of infallibility. Its as though, if everyone could just keep a secret, everything would be fine. But it's not fine! People are not getting the care they need, they are not getting the outcomes they want. They are not getting the births that want. And if the laws are to change, people need to know that there are alternatives to medical births. And midwives will need to be accountable for the care they provode as well. Lawmakers need to know that people are opting out of a broken system and that there are already capable professionals ready to take over their health care. It just seems to me that when the focus is on whether someone's name got posted, it shifts the discussion away from where the focus really needs to be, and I believe that focus should be on changing the laws so we can all have more freedom and choices, not on whether anyone needs to be scolded for saying a name that shall not be spoken.
post #26 of 40

I completely agree with you, Bmorefarmgirl, but this forum is not the place for free speech and honest talk about midwives. Anything less than positive is taken down (even though legally MDC would not be responsible for a negative post - as per actual lawyers despite what the moderators say) and it sure does seem backward to tell women not to talk about the midwives who are "under the radar" on a forum knowing full well they're on FACEBOOK or have websites. I mean really!!

I had a bad experience with a midwife (and apparently so did many many other people) and she was working on a lapsed license but sharing about her births on a public facebook page all the while. Do people really think that the powers that be won't be looking on personal web pages and on facebook if they want to "get " a midwife? Do people really think that it is better to have a blackout of info than to have good info out there?

post #27 of 40

Given the birthing climate in Maryland?  I would NEVER out my midwife.  The more I learn the more protective I become.  Our home birth midwives are under attack. And even the one or two that do have websites do not have specific data as to what areas they serve to protect themselves. There's a real fine line between making sure moms have the info and making sure the midwives are safe so that they will be around for other moms.  

post #28 of 40

If no one will tell anyone who they have found, and no one has websites, how are people supposed to find midwives in md?  I've pretty much given up because I can't find anyone who will come to where I live!

post #29 of 40

Graciesgrl, if I were in your place I would start by contacting any MWs you can find. Even if they are not working, or are working under the radar - they may have some leads for you. I would also seriously consider birthing out of state. We are fortunate in MD to live in a small state - many of us can be in another state within an hour. I would look in PA, DC, WV, VA (I hear DE is bad too). Heck, I may even consider the Farm if I were pregnant in MD. You can also try to PM members. Or try ICAN of Baltimore. Good luck! 

post #30 of 40

graciesgrl - Where do you live?  When are you due?

post #31 of 40

 "To my knowledge, for the midwives that are in trouble right now, their trouble stemmed from hospital personnel. Not some evil web troll out looking for victims. Again, I have not mentioned anyone's name that I thought did not want to be mentioned, and I never would! This is the first I have heard of kw's request to not be discussed and I will not mention her name again except in pm's."

 

In EM case this is true, however in JP case this is not the case. 4 out of the 5 complaints against her stemmed from mothers, not hospitals or internet trolls. It is very scary to think that the Maryland home birth community is going underground. People need to understand that the goal of birth is to have a healthy baby and mother. By not allowing people to talk openly, it discredits home birth. It also allows possibly dangerous practitioners to continue to practice because people are scared that the community will chastise them for speaking up.

 

"Given the birthing climate in Maryland?  I would NEVER out my midwife.  The more I learn the more protective I become.  Our home birth midwives are under attack. And even the one or two that do have websites do not have specific data as to what areas they serve to protect themselves. There's a real fine line between making sure moms have the info and making sure the midwives are safe so that they will be around for other moms. "

 

Not all recent action is an attack on home birth midwives. By bringing the community under ground the home birth movement further pulls itself away from being a safe and reasonable choice. All complaints, which have been now verified by the board of nursing are available for public viewing on the MBON's website.

post #32 of 40

I get what you're saying, but most of our midwives have to practice outside of the current law.  I would never want to put them in an unsafe position.  

 

And yes, I know JP's situation is different, but she's the only one of the multiple midwives who are being investigated to have patient complaints.  

 

If you want a homebirth in Maryland, you need to find someone who had a homebirth in Maryland and talk to them, I know it sucks, but hopefully HB1056 will pass and this will no longer be the case.  

post #33 of 40

I too hope the bill passes so mothers and midwives can all support one another and have more options available for pregnant mommies

post #34 of 40
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Originally Posted by isismamakat View Post

By not allowing people to talk openly, it discredits home birth.

 

This, just to explain my position a bit better, is kind of what I was getting at. I do accept the climate as it is now and the reasons for being discrete BUT there was a tendency towards secrecy in MD since before late 2011. May all you beautiful pregnant mamas find the care you want for your pregnancy and birth! 

post #35 of 40
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Originally Posted by KatyLinda View Post

graciesgrl - Where do you live?  When are you due?

Hey,

I live in Carroll County and am due in March-- I understand midwives not wanting to advertise, etc., but I don't know where to start in finding one, other than the internet.  I don't know anyone who has had  a homebirth here, and am at a loss as to where to start looking!

 

Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks!

post #36 of 40

GG -- start by googling "Homebirth in Maryland" and start calling around. Call - don't bother emailing. If the first one you call isn't working in the area, ask where they are working and see if they will see you out of state. Ask for recommendations. Call MW's in your closest neighboring state. Look in PA -- a great choice for you or even WV. Try those tribal areas. 

post #37 of 40

GG- There is a Natural Parenting Group in CC that is pretty active- amazing, i know!!!.  It is a yahoo group, NPCC.  If you join and post there, someone may be able to lead you in the right direction.  I know there are several women who have had home births in the last few years on there as well as practicing doulas. PM me if you can't find it.
 

post #38 of 40

I requested a membership to that group almost 4 months ago and no one has responded!! do they have anything other than that yahoo group, like a website or have meetings or get togethers or anything that you know of??

post #39 of 40

That's strange.  I am a member of the group, there are lots of different events/ meet-ups but not like a regular member get-together if that makes sense.  I would maybe try again to join and I will also try and get a name/email contact to pm you
 

post #40 of 40

I know this thread is a bit old, but we moved to MD a year ago after enjoying two beautiful homebirths in CT.  We would love to birth at home again (we're pregnant with our third) and I would very much appreciate any pms about midwives in the Howard County area or beyond.  

 

Thanks in advance!  I very much appreciate any help we can get.  

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