The case for vaccination - Page 9

[purslaine]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

You're right, it is an anecdote, but since you made a statement about what HCP do in general, one single anecdote to the contrary is enough to disprove your statement.  It's called a counter example.  

Ahhh…so we are playing logic games (lol)?  I will remove the "in general" and then your single anecdote to the contrary will not disprove the statement.

I will look for more stats, but saying that 90% of flu vaccine contains thimerosal is not at all the same as saying 90% of women and children who get the vaccine get the thimerosal version, I'm sure you know that though, being  a fellow math lover.

I do…but 90% is a large number.  I imagine some are being used for children and pregnant women.  It is possible the thimerosal free version is being saved for children and pregnant mothers, but without numbers, we have no proof. You have one hunch, and I have another, and that is it.  

[Rrrrrachel]

This data says that around 45% of pregnant women get a flu shot.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/pregnant-women.htm

Nothing specific about thimerosal, but the majority of these women got their shot at the OB/Midwives office, which I think makes it many many times more likely they got a thimerosal free version, but that's just my hunch, at this point.

[WildKingdom]

I stock the preservative free/thimerosol free flu shot for anyone that wants it. Otherwise I use the multi-dose.

So, Kathy, HCPs do stock both. It's not a big deal to do so.

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

The percentage of people that get a flue shot is very low and many pregnant women get the thimerosol free version. If the thimerosol is causing it there should still be a significant drop of.

Nope about one half of us are foolish enough to ask for 25 mcg of mercury (and often MUCH more) and other extremely toxic agents for NO proven benefit, with LOTS of demonstrated harm. MANY of us are being FORCED to take this toxic worthless devils brew or we lose our job. If you spend a few hours examining the "flu shot" deadly scam I promise you may never get another. Please pass on this info,

What is so very sad about the flu shot deadly scam is that we have so rattled our elder population that almost 9 out of 10 have been frightened into accepting this toxic brew EVERY YEAR.

"We have found that clinically normal individuals aged 60-65 who receive influenza vaccine three or four times during a five-year period, will five years later have an incidence of Alzheimer's disease 10-fold greater than age-matched individuals who did not receive it."  H. Hugh Fudenburg, MD

And we wonder where Alzheimer's is coming from.

All "seasonal flu shots" in the US include the demonstrated abortifacient "H1N1 vaccine". HHS is aware that the "H1N1 vaccine" caused the rate of spontaneous abortions to increase drastically after the "H1N1 vaccine" was first issued but they have made it MANDATORY to take for most of us who do not realize it is in the "seasonal flu shot" and those of us FORCED to take them BOTH.

All this is just "accidental"? Yeah.

[Rrrrrachel]

You keep using that website healthy protocols. I do not believe it is a science or evidence based site. Just saying.

I consider around 50% to be an appallingly low uptake for the flu vaccine. Its true that it's effectiveness is far from ideal for many reasons, but it is not true that it has NO proven benefit.

[Rrrrrachel]

Oic, healthy protocols is a pay site. Out of curiosity, Louis, are you financially tied to the site or just promoting it? Just curious.

[Rrrrrachel]

I also see that the site is sort of guided by the idea of government depopulation, including linking to a sort of manifesto on scribd. It was very enlightening. I suggest anyone who wants to take medical advice from this site read it before they pay twenty dollars.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8533561/Global-2000-Report-for-Pres-Carter-the-Population-Control-Agenda

I would post some out takes, but really, you should just go look for yourself.

[Rrrrrachel]

Aha! I should've just gone straight for the contact info. I guess it is your site, Louis. No wonder you're pushing it. Sorry, I'm keeping my twenty dollars.

http://healthyprotocols.com/2_hp_contact_info.htm

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Nothing specific about thimerosal, but the majority of these women got their shot at the OB/Midwives office, which I think makes it many many times more likely they got a thimerosal free version, but that's just my hunch, at this point.

When I was a kid it was common practice to NEVER "vaccinate" a pregnant woman. The "vaccine ingredients" would immediately enter the fetus. The fetus has no good way to detoxify and a very poorly developed immune system. What has changed? Why do we now inject mercury into the fetus?

http://organichealthadviser.com/archives/shocking-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-miscarriage-stores-from-pregnant-women-tell-your-doctors-that-vaccines-and-pregnancy-do-not-mix

“Vaccination in pregnant women results in drastically higher risk of autism and autoimmune disease in the child.”   Doctor Russell Blaylock MD, Note this is the beginning and end of this argument IMO

[Rrrrrachel]

Except that Russell blaylock is a questionable source at best and that website isn't exactly peer reviewed. I'll stick with the IOM, thanks.

[SweetSilver]

Originally Posted by ma2two 

Most pediatric vaccines, with the big exception of flu shots, are now thimerosal free. This chart shows which vaccines still have "trace" amounts of mercury (0.3 mcg), indicated by the * with the underline.

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm The full amount of mercury is 25 mcg. Don't be fooled by the .01% in the thimerosal column. That looks like a small amount, but move over to the mercury column, and it translates to 25 mcg mercury.

Thanks.

[Rrrrrachel]

I would ordinarily avoid using a website like this, but since healthy protocols is already all over the thread . . . . Here is a completely one sided and thoroughly biased look at blaylock.

http://www.skepdic.com/blaylock.html

[Rrrrrachel]

25 micrograms is 25 one thousandths of a milligram, which is one one thousandths of a gram, which is about 1/5 of a teaspoon of water. So 25 micrograms is .0000025 grams, or .0000005 of a teaspoon of water. Sounds pretty tiny.

[MichelleZB]

I got the flu shot when pregnant, and it was indeed the shot with thimerosol! Since this thread is the case for vaccinations, I can explain my reasons here: the flu, while never fun, poses added risks to pregnant women. It is much more likely to be deadly or seriously harmful to your growing baby. While the flu shot doesn't eliminate your risk of getting flu, it does lessen it. So that was why I got the shot.

I also ate a few tuna sandwiches while pregnant, and you can all judge me for it. Not lots of them, but, say, one every few weeks or so. My canned tuna had way more mercury than my flu shot, and in a form that evaporates from my body way less.

Anyway, as it turned out, the flu did indeed hit my workplace very hard. My husband (who also got the shot)  and I went on a week-long bus tour with our co-workers while I was 36 weeks pregnant. Loads of people got very sick that week. We were fine, and I was very happy about it, because if I'd gotten the flu that late, they would have induced me and and I wanted an unmedicated labour.

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Oic, healthy protocols is a pay site. Out of curiosity, Louis, are you financially tied to the site or just promoting it? Just curious.

Yes it is but there is TONS of free information. For example several of my complete protocols are entirely free.

For Example my newly completed Cancer Protocol is entirely free as is my Cancer Treatment Protocol.

And as a public service my "Vaccination" Protocol is entirely free.

In honor of this site I may do some work on my Pregnancy Protocol and make it free also. Pregnancy is after all the target of "vaccination". I am amazed at all the tie ins between Vitamin D, Pregnancy and "Vaccination". If I were a science fiction writer I could write a spell binder about how an alien race took control of earth and were using the Medical Industry to eliminate the people of earth. But I'll just stick with the facts.

[Rrrrrachel]

I was about to say, michelle, don't feel bad. I gave into an intense craving for tuna noodle casserole while I was pregnant, so my baby probably got just as much exposure to mercury as yours did from the flu shot!

[AlexisT]

My ped stocks FluMist (no thimerosal) as their routine shot and single-dose vials (ie thimerosal free) for patients who cannot receive FluMist. My OB also used a single dose vial. Year before that I got it at my PCP and I don't know which they use.

Because of FluMist, many practices are already stocking two types of flu vaccine.

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by SweetSilver 

I was under the impression that "thimerisol-free" is not actually completely free of it, just dramatically lowered.  

???????

Yes you are correct.

Thimerosal has not been removed from most childhood "vaccines". If you examine this issue in detail you will see what a fraud "vaccination" is and who the players in this fraud are. The political pressure to "do something" about autism is growing constantly as approximately every 3.5 years the rate of autism doubles. MANY mothers believe mercury is at least one possible cause of autism. So congress the Medical Industry and Big Vaccination made a deal. As the law now stands a Vaccine Manufacturer can put mercury in his "vaccine" and NOT LIST it explicitly on his contents label IF the amount of mercury is less than 1 mcg. So most of those "mercury free" childhood vaccines contain about 200 - 400 nanograms of mercury, some as much as 800 ng. The mercury is listed by the manufacturer as an "impurity". Neat trick eh? Everybody is happy except the poor children who are being injected with over ten billion  mercury atoms in those "multi vaccine" soups.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIFpbAxDMYI&feature=related

[purslaine]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

25 micrograms is 25 one thousandths of a milligram, which is one one thousandths of a gram, which is about 1/5 of a teaspoon of water. So 25 micrograms is .0000025 grams, or .0000005 of a teaspoon of water. Sounds pretty tiny.

An ingredient may be unsafe even in tiny amounts.  

The question is:  is the amount of thimerosal that is injected into newborns safe and what is your evidence for this?

[Rrrrrachel]

The vast majority of childhood vaccines NEVER included thimerosal. Of those that did most are now completely thimerosal free. A few, one brand of Dtap and SOME flu vaccines, contain a trace of thimerosal. Literally several orders of magnitude less than what is generally considered to the safe amount or what is in a typical tuna sandwich. "the poison is in the dose," after all.