Thanks luv! I'll check that out.
It talks a lot about India, but to me the concerns seem to be pretty similar here...and I was focusing on the 40 points against...I didn't read the reply of the blogger all that much...
Rrrrrachel...this blog post sums a lot of it up I think...
http://vaccinesandevolution.blogspot.com/2012/05/sometimes-while-poking-around-anti.html
I did not look over the the entire site, as I am off to work….
But wow, what a hateful site!!!!
Suffice to say, I don't think it has anything useful to say about why non-vaxxers do not vaccinate - and hate like this only further divides any possibility of understanding.
I did not look over the the entire site, as I am off to work….
But wow, what a hateful site!!!!
Suffice to say, I don't think it has anything useful to say about why non-vaxxers do not vaccinate - and hate like this only further divides any possibility of understanding.
Kathy, you're right about the hate spewing...and I personally didn't really read the replies, I focused on what the case against was...here is a better link with just the 40 points...http://www.swaraj.org/shikshantar/40Reasons.htm
of course the hate goes both ways with this statement: "The above points are not all exhaustive. If after reading all this you still want to vaccinate your child, please go ahead. You deserve a vaccine-damaged child"
of course the hate goes both ways with this statement: "The above points are not all exhaustive. If after reading all this you still want to vaccinate your child, please go ahead. You deserve a vaccine-damaged child"
There's a lot of misinformation in those 40 points. That's too bad.
prosciencemum´s comment is really , what it´s mostly about for me !
There are no real , well - founded , scientifically based studies , that clearly show , that vaccinations are harmful
Only the ones on the anti - vacc sites and funny enough , you cannot find their so - called " findings " anywhere else , at least on no credible sites !
Not bickering about whether or not pro-vax science has the better case or not, I just wanted to point out that science has had hard time producing definitively what is harmful and what isn't. Just look at the studies of pollutants and toxins in the environment: It is harmful! Is not! Only in rats at huge doses! But the frogs with 8 legs! It washes off! The experiment was flawed! It wasn't extensive enough! Conflict of interest! On and on.
On a personal note, being an environmentalist, I am used to be skeptical when they claim certain compounds are "clearly" harmless in any practical exposure, and this habit has carried over into other issues, I'm afraid.
Regardless of which side of the fence I am on, I remain a raging skeptic.
No , I am simply concluding , that it is very difficult to find any kind of study , that CONCLUSIVELY and unbiased shows , that vaccines cause more harm than good .
I would never deny , that SOMETIMES in very rare cases , one can have a bad reaction to a vaccine . But the same holds true for , for example , antibiotics and I doubt , anybody would dispute their value , despite the risk of side effects .
What I DO have a problem with is that some people make vaccines out to be the villain , when in reality , and that again is my very own personal opinion , they are one of the greatest blessings in modern medicine
Thank you for providing an example of one of the HUGE problems we face in getting people to understand what is wrong with the current vaccine program.
We (vaccine safety advocates) are not saying that vaccines do more harm than good.
We are saying that vaccines are doing enough harm that it is unethical to continue, even if they do more good than harm.
We're not looking for better than a 50-50 split.
We are saying that the harm is to more than "very rare cases," and that WITHOUT EXCEPTION, those who have been harmed, and those whose children have been harmed, were misled into believing that the risks were far smaller than they were/are.
Doctors, nurses, and other health professionals have not been taught to recognize serious vaccine reactions. Most don't know that signs of serious reaction can occur weeks after the actual vaccination. SO REACTIONS DON'T GET REPORTED BY THE MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, and the researchers conclude that reactions are far, far rarer than they actually are.
Except anyone can report a reaction. It doesn't have to be a medical professional.
I am still looking for some basis, beyond anecdotes, to think that serious vaccine reactions are significantly more likely to occur than currently thought. Or even how likely they are proposed to be.
I absolutely agree better than a 50-50 split is not good enough. When you're injecting something into an otherwise healthy child the safety profile had better be pretty darned good, regardless of the potential benefit.
"Healthcare providers are required by law to
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There are no real , well - founded , scientifically based studies , that clearly show , that vaccinations are harmful
Only the ones on the anti - vacc sites and funny enough , you cannot find their so - called " findings " anywhere else , at least on no credible sites !
While this is not proof that "vaccines" cause autism it should give pause before "vaccinating"
The autism spectrum disorders (ASD) are a group of related neurodevelopmental disorders that have been increasing in incidence since the 1980s. Despite a considerable amount of data being collected from cases, a central mechanism has not been offered. A careful review of ASD cases discloses a number of events that adhere to an immunoexcitotoxic mechanism. This mechanism explains the link between excessive vaccination, use of aluminum and ethylmercury as vaccine adjuvants, food allergies, gut dysbiosis, and abnormal formation of the developing brain. It has now been shown that chronic microglial activation is present in autistic brains from age 5 years to age 44 years. A considerable amount of evidence, both experimental and clinical, indicates that repeated microglial activation can initiate priming of the microglia and that subsequent stimulation can produce an exaggerated microglial response that can be prolonged. It is also known that one phenotypic form of microglia activation can result in an outpouring of neurotoxic levels of the excitotoxins, glutamate and quinolinic acid. Studies have shown that careful control of brain glutamate levels is essential to brain pathway development and that excesses can result in arrest of neural migration, as well as dendritic and synaptic loss. It has also been shown that certain cytokines, such as TNF-alpha, can, via its receptor, interact with glutamate receptors to enhance the neurotoxic reaction. To describe this interaction I have coined the term immunoexcitotoxicity, which is described in this article.
Here we can see four possible mechanisms of autism three of which we may ALL can agree on.
1) Food Allergies
2) Gut Dysbiosis
3) Abnormal Brain Formations
4) Vaccination
Now if we attack three or four of these possible problems we may be attacking autism.
Food allergies are easy SUGAR, DAIRY, GLUTEN, WHEAT are the first four to eliminate there are others.
Gut Dysbiosis is approached by first addressing food allergies.
Abnormal Brain Formations is perhaps the easiest to address and the MOST important. If you get your child's vitamin D levels up to at least 60 ng/ml you will have IMO GREATLY reduced their chances of autism even if you judicially "vaccinate", eight "vaccinations" at a time is NOT judicial. The sun is your BEST method of enhancing your and your child's brain. If you do not have the 60 ng/ml during pregnancy your fetus is starved for vitamin D and proper brain development is impossible. The same people who are telling us "vaccination" is safe are telling us the SUN is bad. They are WRONG on both counts but if you choose to "vaccinate" PLEASE get your child's and YOUR vitamin D levels up to 60 ng/ml.
IMO there is no question our fetuses, newborns and children are STARVED for vitamin D. Your ignorant pedeatrician, yes when it comes to vitamin D MOST are ignorant because they are following the ignorant directions of the CDC who is also ignorant of Vitamin D requirement, will allow you to go through your entire 9 months of pregnancy VITAMIN D DEFICIENT. It is very easy to become much more knowledgeable than these incompetents with a dozen of so hours of study. You have to MASTER vitamin D YOURSELF no one can do this for you. Your doctor will tell you 20 or 30 is fine. He is WRONG you must know this and DEMAND and make sure you get 60.
I just want to be clear none of that is something we all can agree on.
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Here we can see four possible mechanisms of autism three of which we may ALL can agree on.
1) Food Allergies
2) Gut Dysbiosis
3) Abnormal Brain Formations
4) Vaccination
There are a wide variety of opinions about if and how those issues may be related to autism. I can guarantee we're not all going to agree on them.
Considering this thread is about vaccinations and is in the vaccination forum, then we should be discussing vaccines and not gut flora, gluten, and vitamin D. Discussions about the other issues in regard to autism would be more appropriate in another forum.
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Here we can see four possible mechanisms of autism three of which we may ALL can agree on.
1) Food Allergies
2) Gut Dysbiosis
3) Abnormal Brain Formations
4) Vaccination
Now if we attack three or four of these possible problems we may be attacking autism.
Food allergies are easy SUGAR, DAIRY, GLUTEN, WHEAT are the first four to eliminate there are others.
Gut Dysbiosis is approached by first addressing food allergies.
Abnormal Brain Formations is perhaps the easiest to address and the MOST important. If you get your child's vitamin D levels up to at least 60 ng/ml you will have IMO GREATLY reduced their chances of autism even if you judicially "vaccinate", eight "vaccinations" at a time is NOT judicial. The sun is your BEST method of enhancing your and your child's brain. If you do not have the 60 ng/ml during pregnancy your fetus is starved for vitamin D and proper brain development is impossible. The same people who are telling us "vaccination" is safe are telling us the SUN is bad. They are WRONG on both counts but if you choose to "vaccinate" PLEASE get your child's and YOUR vitamin D levels up to 60 ng/ml.
IMO there is no question our fetuses, newborns and children are STARVED for vitamin D. Your ignorant pedeatrician, yes when it comes to vitamin D MOST are ignorant because they are following the ignorant directions of the CDC who is also ignorant of Vitamin D requirement, will allow you to go through your entire 9 months of pregnancy VITAMIN D DEFICIENT. It is very easy to become much more knowledgeable than these incompetents with a dozen of so hours of study. You have to MASTER vitamin D YOURSELF no one can do this for you. Your doctor will tell you 20 or 30 is fine. He is WRONG you must know this and DEMAND and make sure you get 60.
I do not agree with any of those. I believe that autism is genetic, and the rise in autism really has more to do with changes to the DSM autism criteria and also public awareness than anything else. What is your educational background?
Since this is the pro-vaccination thread, is it possible to have a scientific discussion about what thimerasol really is, and how it differs from elemental mercury? Having mercury in a molecule changes how that element behaves, as opposed to when it is on its own.
Polio cases skyrocketed after diphtheria and pertussis vaccines were introduced
A 1992 study, published in the Journal of Infectious Diseases, validated earlier findings. Children who received DPT (diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis) injections were significantly more likely than controls to suffer paralytic poliomyelitis within the next 30 days [16]. According to the authors, “this study confirms that injections are an important cause of provocative poliomyelitis [16:444].”
In 1995, the New England Journal of Medicine published a study showing that children who received a single injection within one month after receiving a polio vaccine were 8 times more likely to contract polio than children who received no injections. The risk jumped 27-fold when children received up to nine injections within one month after receiving the polio vaccine. And with ten or more injections, the likelihood of developing polio was 182 times greater than expected [17]. Why injections increase the risk of polio is unclear [18]. Nevertheless, these studies and others [19-24] indicate that “injections must be avoided in countries with endemic poliomyelitis [18].” Health authorities believe that all “unnecessary” injections should be avoided as well [18:1006;24].
Polio vaccine: adverse and serious adverse reactions
Today, fact sheets on polio published by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, warn parents that the inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) can cause “serious problems or even death…[49]” The company that manufactures the current inactivated polio vaccine warns that Guillain-Barré Syndrome, a debilitating ailment characterized by muscular incapacitation and nervous system damage, “has been temporally related to administration of another inactivated poliovirus vaccine [3:780].” And although this company makes the claim that “no causal relationship has been established,” it also admits that “deaths have occurred” after vaccination of infants with IPV [3:780]. Yet, like the days of old, despite these “danger alerts,” medical authorities continue to assure parents that the currently available inactivated polio vaccine is both safe and effective.
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The "Polio Vaccine" introduced SV-40 a cancer causing virus into Hundreds of Millions of People
Salk tried to kill impurities in his "Polio Vaccine" with formaldehyde but it did not work. The cancer causing SV-40 which came from monkey kidneys used to produce the "vaccine" infected hundreds of millions.
Perhaps even worse for the human race the SV-40 is passed from father to offspring in his sperm. This transfer has proceeded through three generations so far and looks to go on FOREVER.
Our lesson: don't try to fool mother nature.
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