But a doctor can usually obtain verbal consent from a patient, too, right?
When YOU sue your ped, for malpractice due to your autistic child; the day is COMING, he will look foolish without your signature on LOTS of paper. Even then he will look and BE lots more than foolish.
The WRATH of tens of millions of mothers will be a FORCE to behold.
It can change this nation. Please help.
When YOU sue your ped, for malpractice due to your autistic child; the day is COMING, he will look foolish without your signature on LOTS of paper. Even then he will look and BE lots more than foolish.
The WRATH of tens of millions of mothers will be a FORCE to behold.
It can change this nation. Please help.
Well, my doctor is a woman. And I certainly wouldn't sue her if my child was autistic! How silly.
Please help with what?
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When YOU sue your ped, for malpractice due to your autistic child; the day is COMING, he will look foolish without your signature on LOTS of paper. Even then he will look and BE lots more than foolish.
Louis, you CAN'T sue doctors for malpractice due to autistic children; by federal law, doctors are protected from liability for vaccine reactions. Your child could die from a vaccine reaction and you still can't sue your doctor.
Well, my doctor is a woman. And I certainly wouldn't sue her if my child was autistic! How silly.
Whether or not a doctor is a woman has nothing to do with whether or not she is liable for malpractice.
I agree, it is silly to sue a doctor if a child is autistic, because the doctor is already protected from liability for vaccine reactions.
But it seems that you might be implying that autism has nothing to do with vaccine reactions, and that's a silly notion.
The US Department of Health has already conceded roughly 2000 cases of vaccine-induced brain damage, usually relating to seizures. A large proportion of these cases also included symptoms of autism. According to David Bowman, a spokesman for HHS's Health Resources and Services Administration: "We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures." (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-and-david-kirby/vaccine-court-autism-deba_b_169673.html)(bolding mine)
The Italian government recently conceded a case where autism was caused by the MMR.
The Finnish government has conceded that the flu shot caused narcolepsy--a form of seizure disorder--in Finnish children: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g1doyMOnXuq77VZHACz_rcbX99BA
Unless the standard of care were breached, by giving a vaccination to someone for whom a vaccine would be contraindicated, such as someone with a history of a severe vaccine reaction, previous severe reaction to a knowon vaccine ingredient, or someone with a fever or other illness that would contraindicate vaccines.
There are many parents of autistic children who report that their children were given vaccines in spite of ear infections, fevers, vomiting/diarrhea, etc.
According to http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/vac-admin/contraindications-vacc.htm, moderate to severe illness, with or without fever, IS a contraindication for vaccination.
Doctors are not able to tell if an illness is a mild illness or the beginning of a moderate illness, particularly with infants.
According to http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/parent-questions.html, mild illness include cold, earache, mild fever, or diarrhea.
But several severe illnesses may begin with cold symptoms' Severe ear infections can begin with earache. Mild fever may precede dangerously high fever. Diarrhea may be the beginning of many severe problems, including viral illnesses, microbial intestinal infections, and food poisoning.
Interesting that diarrhea should be listed as a mild illness, when the Rotateq vaccine is pushed, along with the understanding that diarrheal illnesses in infants can be very dangerous. Apparently, it is possible that an infant, particularly a bottle-fed infant in daycare, could be in the beginning stages of Rotavirus, yet be deemed healthy enough to receive several vaccines, which would surely be problematic, as Rotavirus is considered to be a severe illness for infants.
I think you're defining the word "contraindicated" differently than Taximom. Would you agree that postponing the vaccination until the patient has recovered would generally be a better idea than vaccinating while the patient is ill?
Moderate or severe acute illness with or without a fever is not listed as a contraindication but rather a precaution.
Whether or not a doctor is a woman has nothing to do with whether or not she is liable for malpractice.
Of course not! I was just correcting Louis' pronouns.
I think you're defining the word "contraindicated" differently than Taximom. Would you agree that postponing the vaccination until the patient has recovered would generally be a better idea than vaccinating while the patient is ill?
Speaking of precautions, this is very interesting:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/vac-admin/contraindications-vacc.htm
"Whether and when to administer DTaP to children with proven or suspected underlying neurologic disorders should be decided on a case-by-case basis."
Hmm. 1 in 88 children--1 in 47 children in Utah--diagnosed with autism. So that's 1 in 47 with proven underlying neurologic disorders, and that's not even counting those with other forms of brain damage, or those with, say, epilepsy. But the statement above implies that DTaP might carry additional risk to those with underlying neurologic disorders.
I've never heard of or read about a pediatrician that notifies parents of an ASD child of this, nor of one that notifies parents of epileptic children.
No, we get scolded by the doctors for being so silly as to think that DTaP might have any dangerous effect on the brains or autoimmune systems of our children with underlying neurological disorders, and we get scolded for endangering "herd immunity" by turning down or even just delaying vaccination.
But according to http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/aboutepilepsy/,there are 3 million Americans with epilepsy (300,000 children under the age of 15), and 55 million people with epilepsy worldwide.
That's a lot of people with neurological disorders--and that doesn't count people with MS, CP, Parkinson's, or (more common in Europe, thanks to the flu shot), narcolepsy.
I wonder if this is the government's way of hanging the doctors out to dry? If a severe reaction to DTaP occurs in a patient with a known underlying neurologic disorder, and the patient's parents discover that, according to the CDC, the doctor was supposed to decide safety of that vaccine on a case-by-case basis, that opens the door for an assumption of a different standard of care for the patient with underlying neurologic disorder.
The precaution is for unstable/progressive neurological disorders such as uncontrolled epilepsy and progressive encephalopathy not stable neurological conditions such as cerebral palsy, well-controlled seizures, or developmental delays.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr6002a1.htm?s_cid=rr6002a1_e#Tab6 (scroll down to tables 6 and 7)
The precaution is for unstable/progressive neurological disorders such as uncontrolled epilepsy and progressive encephalopathy not stable neurological conditions such as cerebral palsy, well-controlled seizures, or developmental delays.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr6002a1.htm?s_cid=rr6002a1_e#Tab6 (scroll down to tables 6 and 7)
This.
I have epilepsy (well-controlled). I've had my TDaP booster. I also get annual flu shots.
Taximom, I don't see that particular quotation on that particular page. I also don't see any information about prevalence of autism in Utah there. I do see that vaccination is contraindicated or delayed for individuals with progressive or unstable neurological disorders, "until a treatment regimen has been established and the condition has stabilized." I also see that vaccination is contraindicated for individuals with allergies to vaccine components or a history of encephelopathy following prior vaccines.
Some cases of epilepsy are diagnosed before the age of most vaccinations, but most aren't. Parkinson's, narcolepsy, and MS are also primarily adult diseases. Those cases that are identified early are typically in quite complex children with a lot of medical issues. I don't know what kind of conversations those parents of special needs children are having with their pediatricians. I suspect those conversations are quite different from the ones that parents of typically developing children tend to have. Standards of care should be significantly different for children with serious, early-onset neurological disorders, because practically everything is higher risk for them. There may be some parents here who are willing to comment on that.
To keep this on topic - I do feel strongly that children with neurological disorders should not be deprived of prophylaxis for VPDs. Why should being epileptic mean that you also have to deal with extra vulnerability to measles? Measles carries more serious neurological risks than the vaccination. While I wouldn't recommend vaccinating a kid for whom vaccination is contraindicated per the CDC, I think it makes sense to delay vaccines rather than skip them in response to the CDC's precautions.
Taximom, I don't see that particular quotation on that particular page. I also don't see any information about prevalence of autism in Utah there.
For the quotation: Scroll down to the bottom section, and look at footnote 1.
For the info about prevalence of autism in Utah, it's common knowledge by now, but here is a link for you: http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2012/p0329_autism_disorder.html
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 1 in 88 children in the United States has been identified as having an autism spectrum disorder (ASD), according to a new study released today that looked at data from 14 communities. Autism spectrum disorders are almost five times more common among boys than girls – with 1 in 54 boys identified.
The number of children identified with ASDs ranged from 1 in 210 children in Alabama to 1 in 47 children in Utah." (bolding mine)
For the quotation: Scroll down to the bottom section, and look at footnote 1.
For the info about prevalence of autism in Utah, it's common knowledge by now, but here is a link for you: http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2012/p0329_autism_disorder.html
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 1 in 88 children in the United States has been identified as having an autism spectrum disorder (ASD), according to a new study released today that looked at data from 14 communities. Autism spectrum disorders are almost five times more common among boys than girls – with 1 in 54 boys identified.
The number of children identified with ASDs ranged from 1 in 210 children in Alabama to 1 in 47 children in Utah." (bolding mine)
It's been a long week teaching research skills to 9th graders, so please be patient with me while I reflexively type:
Statistics are never common knowledge. Statistics always need citations or factual support.
I appreciate your tolerance of my self-inflicted behavioral programming.
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