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Red Flags For Risk of Vaccine Reaction

post #1 of 37
5/31/12 at 5:21pm
Thread Starter 

At Super-Single-Mama's request, here is a list of situations that could place an infant at risk for adverse reaction to vaccines.

 

 

Red Flags For Vaccine Reaction

 

Family history of thimerosal allergy

Family history of vaccine reaction

Family history of autoimmune disorders

Family history of allergies

Family history of seizure disorders

 

Mother with thyroid disease

Mother with preeclampsia during pregnancy

Mother with gestational diabetes

Mother with hypermesis of pregnancy

Mother with vitamin deficiency, particularly D deficiency

 

 

Low-birthweight or premature infant

Failure-to-thrive infant

Infant with current medical condition

Infant with current illness, especially febrile and diarrheal illnesses

Infant with vitamin deficiency, particularly D deficiency

 

If anyone has additional red flags, please post them, and I will add them to the list!

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post #2 of 37
5/31/12 at 5:36pm
Is there a link to this information or are these just situations where you personally feel are possible red flags because I'm not sure i understand how some would be connected to vaccine reaction risk.
post #3 of 37
5/31/12 at 5:45pm
Thread Starter 

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046738.htm is one source of information.

 

In our family, we had most of these red flags going on;  I was later told by doctors that many of these were, in fact, red flags for vaccine reaction.  So, yes, some of this comes from personal experience as well.

post #4 of 37
5/31/12 at 5:46pm
Thanks for posting this, I appreciate the info as well as learning more about your perspective.
post #5 of 37
6/1/12 at 11:48am

Great idea to post a list!  It's hard to explain all the reasons for making the decisions on vaccines.  but this is great and i will certainly pass it on.

 

nothing to add (yet)!

post #6 of 37
6/4/12 at 8:31am

With those "Red" flags, you could conclude that vaccines are reacting to an already troubled host. 

post #7 of 37
6/4/12 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by Imakcerka View Post

With those "Red" flags, you could conclude that vaccines are reacting to an already troubled host. 

I think it's the troubled host that is reacting to the vaccine, but it is also likely that a host is not troubled, but has the potential for trouble--and the vaccine is the trigger. There are probably other triggers as well, but something directly injected into the body is a more obvious trigger than living close to a highway.

 

There are no screenings in place to identify troubled hosts--and many of these "troubles" can be subclinical, and/or can be exacerbated or even triggered by the vaccines.

 

If people (like me, my children, and thousands of others who report the same thing) appear 100% healthy, and then react badly to a vaccine that other people have no trouble with, then much, much more research needs to be done before those vaccines are declared "safe."

 

It is very troubling that reactions like mine have not been studied; and even more disturbing that so many reactions like mine did not get reported by doctors, and are blown off when reported by patients.

post #8 of 37
6/4/12 at 11:48am

Taxi we've discussed this before.  I have RA, my mom has Guillian Berre and my brother is undiagnosed.  I have a cousin with cycle cell anemia and there is lupus and a few others in my family.  Hereditary?  Possibly.  We're we all vaccinated... NO!  Any virus, bacteria or trauma physical or mental can cause and AI to come out of dormancy. 

post #9 of 37
6/4/12 at 11:53am
Those reactions are studied.

Taxi I'm confused why your reactions are still unreported. Why haven't you gone on vaers and reported your and your children's reactions?
post #10 of 37
6/4/12 at 11:59am
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Imakcerka View Post

Taxi we've discussed this before.  I have RA, my mom has Guillian Berre and my brother is undiagnosed.  I have a cousin with cycle cell anemia and there is lupus and a few others in my family.  Hereditary?  Possibly.  We're we all vaccinated... NO!  Any virus, bacteria or trauma physical or mental can cause and AI to come out of dormancy. 

Yes, we've discussed this before.  (sigh)

 

My reactions alone don't prove that vaccines cause these reactions.

 

The fact that people in your family have AI and have never been vaccinated does not prove that vaccines DON'T cause these reactions. As I said, there are other triggers.

 

But the fact that thousands of other people have reported exactly the same reactions that I have had, and that my children have had, DOES indicate that yes, vaccines can and do cause these reactions.


If Person A has hives that are caused by eating peanuts, and Person B has hives that are caused by fabric softener, but can eat a pound of peanuts with no reaction, Person B's experience does not mean that Person A is not allergic to peanuts, nor does it mean that thousands of other people aren't allergic to peanuts.

post #11 of 37
6/5/12 at 4:21am

Vaccines do not cause AI diseases/disorders.  They can trigger them.  Trigger them.  They are dormant in your body.  My kids are fully vaccinated, however I do not allow the flu shot.  This has not proven to be a problem for us.  The flu shot is the vaccine that should be thoroughly researched if AI's run in your family. 

 

Again, they're hereditary (possibly) and can be triggered by TRAUMA to the body.  They are not caused by vaccines.  Vaccines do not give you AI's. 

post #12 of 37
6/5/12 at 6:31am
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Originally Posted by Imakcerka View Post

Vaccines do not cause AI diseases/disorders.  They can trigger them.  Trigger them.  They are dormant in your body.  My kids are fully vaccinated, however I do not allow the flu shot.  This has not proven to be a problem for us.  The flu shot is the vaccine that should be thoroughly researched if AI's run in your family. 

 

Again, they're hereditary (possibly) and can be triggered by TRAUMA to the body.  They are not caused by vaccines.  Vaccines do not give you AI's. 

 

The recently published studies on aluminum adjuvants and their causal effects of autoimmune disorders indicate a causal relationship.  Those studies have been posted many times on this forum, but if you would like, I can post them again for you.

 

Since vaccines other than the flu shot have been linked with AI's, and since there is research linking aluminum adjuvants to AI's, it's not the flu virus that should be specifically researched, but all vaccines.

post #13 of 37
6/5/12 at 6:39am
Please post them again if it's not too much trouble.
post #14 of 37
6/5/12 at 6:56am
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Originally Posted by Taximom5 View Post

 

The recently published studies on aluminum adjuvants and their causal effects of autoimmune disorders indicate a causal relationship.  Those studies have been posted many times on this forum, but if you would like, I can post them again for you.

 

Since vaccines other than the flu shot have been linked with AI's, and since there is research linking aluminum adjuvants to AI's, it's not the flu virus that should be specifically researched, but all vaccines.

 

 

Any trauma to the body can trigger AI's.  Any.  Food poisoning could be the culprit.  A car accident could be the culprit.  Not just vaccines.  PTSD can be the culprit.  Women coming back from Iraq have a high diagnosis of AI's.  Surgery could be the culprit.  Pregnancy, Environmental toxins, Heredity, Stress, Anxiety, anything!

 

There are so many factors involved it boggles my mind why anyone would stick to one thing and one thing only.  If you eliminated Vaccines... you'd still have AI's. They'd still be prevalent you can't stop environmental factors, you can't the possibility of trauma.  

post #15 of 37
6/5/12 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by Imakcerka View Post

Any trauma to the body can trigger AI's.  Any.  Food poisoning could be the culprit.  A car accident could be the culprit.  Not just vaccines.  PTSD can be the culprit.  Women coming back from Iraq have a high diagnosis of AI's.  Surgery could be the culprit.  Pregnancy, Environmental toxins, Heredity, Stress, Anxiety, anything!

 

There are so many factors involved it boggles my mind why anyone would stick to one thing and one thing only.  If you eliminated Vaccines... you'd still have AI's. They'd still be prevalent you can't stop environmental factors, you can't the possibility of trauma.  

 

That's one reason I do my best to avoid food poisoning, car accidents, surgery, environmental toxins, stress, etc. That's also one reason I avoid vaccines for me and my family.

post #16 of 37
6/5/12 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by ma2two View Post

 

That's one reason I do my best to avoid food poisoning, car accidents, surgery, environmental toxins, stress, etc. That's also one reason I avoid vaccines for me and my family.

 

 

Are you kidding? 

post #17 of 37
6/5/12 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by Imakcerka View Post

Vaccines do not cause AI diseases/disorders.  They can trigger them.  Trigger them.  They are dormant in your body.  My kids are fully vaccinated, however I do not allow the flu shot.  This has not proven to be a problem for us.  The flu shot is the vaccine that should be thoroughly researched if AI's run in your family. 

 

Again, they're hereditary (possibly) and can be triggered by TRAUMA to the body.  They are not caused by vaccines.  Vaccines do not give you AI's. 

 

Vaccines do cause TRAUMA to the body. Hence the creation of antibodies. So vaccines (among other things, if you like) can lead to AI . Once again I bring your attention to the Perdue study.

post #18 of 37
6/5/12 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by Mirzam View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Imakcerka View Post

Vaccines do not cause AI diseases/disorders.  They can trigger them.  Trigger them.  They are dormant in your body.  My kids are fully vaccinated, however I do not allow the flu shot.  This has not proven to be a problem for us.  The flu shot is the vaccine that should be thoroughly researched if AI's run in your family. 

 

Again, they're hereditary (possibly) and can be triggered by TRAUMA to the body.  They are not caused by vaccines.  Vaccines do not give you AI's. 

 

Vaccines do cause TRAUMA to the body. Hence the creation of antibodies. So vaccines (among other things, if you like) can lead to AI . Once again I bring your attention to the Perdue study.

 

Thats what Imakcerka said. Only she keeps reiterating that AI diseases are already dormant in the body before the trauma happens. That means that someone who has an AI disease dormant in their body is probably going to develop that AI disease anyway - and it could be triggered by anything.

post #19 of 37
6/5/12 at 11:26am
Thread Starter 

Imakcerka, the prevalence and incidence of ALL autoimmune disorders has been increasing--drastically.  If vaccines were only a trigger in the way that any virus or trauma to the body would be, then we would have seen the same prevalence and incidence of these diseases 50 years ago.


We didn't.

 

Just like autism, there is no such thing as a genetic epidemic.  It is generally recognized that autoimmune diseases have environmental causes/triggers; ignoring the fact that we have been injecting ourselves with more and more heavy metals such as mercury and aluminum is ignoring the most likely environmental trigger.  That doesn't mean that there aren't other environmental triggers, and it doesn't mean that vaccines are the trigger for everyone.

 

But we can't afford to ignore the elephant in the room any more.

 

http://www.webmd.com/rheumatoid-arthritis/news/20110110/1-in-12-women-will-have-autoimmune-disease

1 in 12 Women Will Have Autoimmune Disease

 

http://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0016/ea0016s3.1.htm

Why is the incidence of autoimmune diseases increasing in the modern world?

 

http://www.elaine-moore.com/Articles/EnvironmentalTriggersandInfluences/InfectionandVaccinesinAutoimmuneDisease/tabid/210/Default.aspx

In an article in the September 2002 New England Journal of Medicine, the French researcher Jean-Francois Bach explains how a reduction in the incidence of infectious diseases caused by vaccines, antibiotics, and septic environments is directly responsible for the increased incidence of autoimmune disorder

 

http://www.overcomingmultiplesclerosis.org/News-And-Events/Archive/Detail/Tasmanian+study+shows+MS+incidence+increasing+significantly/

Tasmanian Study Shows MS Incidence Increasing Significantly

"Their data confirm findings from other parts of the world indicating a markedly increasing incidence and prevalence of this disease."


http://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/statistics/prev/national/figage.ht

Fmrom 1980 through 2010, the crude prevalence of diagnosed diabetes increased by 176%.

 

http://rawarrior.com/incidence-of-rheumatoid-arthritis-increasing-women-especially/

Incidence of Rheumatoid Arthritis Increasing, Especially In Women

 

post #20 of 37
6/5/12 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by Super~Single~Mama View Post

 

Thats what Imakcerka said. Only she keeps reiterating that AI diseases are already dormant in the body before the trauma happens. That means that someone who has an AI disease dormant in their body is probably going to develop that AI disease anyway - and it could be triggered by anything.

But we don't KNOW that AI diseases are already dormant in the body; that's just a hypothesis, and a pretty lousy one at that.

 

I've been through car accidents, childbirth, miscarriage, and plenty of viral/bacterial illnesses and emotional traumas.

 

None of them triggered an AI for me.


Vaccines triggered at least 2 for me.


So you can't say that something would have triggered them anyway.

 

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