"1 in 100 who get pertussis will die" - Page 3

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by prosciencemum 

The fractions changed because vaccinated adults and older children are less likely to get it  - so you're left predominantly with young babies pre vaccine getting it. That's what it shows. 

Every time you get a shot containing pertussis, MANY, MANY times, you get a mild case of pertussis. It sure looks to me like pertussis has IMMENSELY proliferated.

[Rrrrrachel]

Originally Posted by Louisw 

Every time you get a shot containing pertussis, MANY, MANY times, you get a mild case of pertussis. It sure looks to me like pertussis has IMMENSELY proliferated.

That is blatantly untrue.

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by nukuspot 

DTP=contained whole cell pertussis (very reactive, caused many neurological side effects in children)

DTaP=contains acellular pertussis ( A non whole cell formulation of pertussis, broken cell walls, much less reactive, much less effective as far as immunity)

*NOT THE SAME THING*

Well thank you I appreciate it. I learned something; I was under the impression that the P was the same thing and that they were spreading the bio-weapon Rockefeller used for the 1981 pandemic. Lets be alert that they do not bring it back

[nukuspot]

Louis I'm serious when I say this. If you don't know the difference between acellular pertussis in the DTaP and the old whole cell form in the DTP, which is not some hidden fact, it's extremely well known that the formula was changed....Can you please refrain from posting/ranting until you actually do research about what you are accusing or insinuating? You are derailing many threads on MDC, whether on purpose or by mistake, and it's really really unhelpful.

[nukuspot]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

That is blatantly untrue.

It's so blatantly untrue that it's ridiculous. Pertussis vaccine does not contain a live virus. Maybe we should just try to ignore these things he says and maybe he will stop posting crap like this?

[Rrrrrachel]

Originally Posted by nukuspot 


It's so blatantly untrue that it's ridiculous. Pertussis vaccine does not contain a live virus. Maybe we should just try to ignore these things he says and maybe he will stop posting crap like this?

Yes, although it's going to require me to actually put him on ignore because the non-factual statements are too provoking.

[nukuspot]

I feel the same way (and because someone else accused me of being biased please let me state again for any mods that read this that I am a non vaxxer myself and am still having issues with this problem.). How can you put someone on auto-ignore?

[Rrrrrachel]

Just hover over his name and then choose "block member."

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by nukuspot 


It's so blatantly untrue that it's ridiculous. Pertussis vaccine does not contain a live virus. Maybe we should just try to ignore these things he says and maybe he will stop posting crap like this?

Yes but look what the "pertussis vaccine program" has brought us.

Pertussis Vaccine

Despite high levels of childhood vaccination coverage for pertussis (whooping cough), the largest outbreak of this disease in four decades has occurred in recent years. There were 25,827 reported cases of pertussis in 2004 (the actual incidence could be higher due to underreporting), compared with a low of 1,010 in 1976.

According to the CDC, the reported rate of pertussis per 100,000 population increased from 1.8 in 1994 to 8.9 in 2004. The 2004 rate was the third consecutive annual increase in the incidence of pertussis. The CDC notes that two-thirds of reported cases of pertussis now occur among adolescents and adults due to the waning of vaccine-induced immunity. This waning occurs five to 10 years after receipt of the vaccine.

Similar trends in pertussis were noted nearly 20 years ago in a 1988 report. After the U.S. mandated whooping cough vaccination in 1978, the incidence of the disease in the next eight years trebled. The highest incidence was in infants less than 1 year old. However, the highest relative increase was in adolescents and adults.

In 2006, the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) addressed the rise of whooping cough among adolescents by recommending that they receive another dose of pertussis vaccine. The Tdap vaccine (which also contains tetanus and diphtheria toxoids) is now recommended for all children age 11 to 18 and replaces the tetanus-diphtheria booster previously given to adolescents. The Tdap booster adds to the five doses of diphtheria, pertussis and tetanus that children already receive before their seventh birthday.

Several research papers suggest that immunization programs have not yet brought pertussis under control. A 2006 article reports that pertussis “has reemerged worldwide as a cause of substantial morbidity and mortality in infants, children, and adolescents, despite high vaccination rates.” Another report, published in 2005, states that an increased incidence of pertussis “has been observed worldwide since the introduction of widespread vaccination.” These researchers say that there has been “a general shift in the age distribution of pertussis toward older groups” and that “despite high coverage rates for primary immunization in infants and children, pertussis continues to be a global concern, with increased incidence widely noted.”

http://www.vaccineinitiative.org/?page_id=149

Do we really trust these people?

[Taximom5]

 I would like to call everyone's attention to this:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poe's+Law

Poe's Law
	Similar to Murphy's Law, Poe's Law concerns internet debates, particularly regarding religion or politics.  "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."  In other words, No matter how bizzare, outrageous, or just plain idiotic a parody of a Fundamentalist may seem, there will always be someone who cannot tell that it is a parody, having seen similar REAL ideas from real religious/political Fundamentalists.

[Rrrrrachel]

Taxi, I don't understand why you keep bringing that up.

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by nukuspot 

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

That is blatantly untrue.

It's so blatantly untrue that it's ridiculous. Pertussis vaccine does not contain a live virus. Maybe we should just try to ignore these things he says and maybe he will stop posting crap like this?

Pertussis isn't a virus. It is caused by the bordetella bacteria.

[nukuspot]

Yes I know it's a bacteria not a virus. Sorry to use the wrong wording. Should have said "does not contain live bacterial strains.". I didn't sleep well last night, toddler kicking pregnant belly. Brain fuzzy this morning.

[nukuspot]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Just hover over his name and then choose "block member."

That doesn't seem to work on my phone. Must wait until I get on real computer later. I hope blocking helps the situation.

[Rrrrrachel]

Originally Posted by nukuspot 


That doesn't seem to work on my phone. Must wait until I get on real computer later. I hope blocking helps the situation.

I have gotten great relief from it.

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

That is blatantly untrue.[that you do not get a mild form of pertussis from the 'pertussis vaccine]

Well what is the mechanism of action of the "pertussis vaccine"? TIA

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by Louisw 

Yes but look what the "pertussis vaccine program" has brought us.

Pertussis Vaccine

Despite high levels of childhood vaccination coverage for pertussis (whooping cough), the largest outbreak of this disease in four decades has occurred in recent years. There were 25,827 reported cases of pertussis in 2004 (the actual incidence could be higher due to under reporting), compared with a low of 1,010 in 1976.

According to the CDC, the reported rate of pertussis per 100,000 population increased from 1.8 in 1994 to 8.9 in 2004. The 2004 rate was the third consecutive annual increase in the incidence of pertussis.

Do we really trust these people?

So in 1976 we had 1,010 cases of pertussis. Then we started  to inject more and more of this immunosupressive poison into our kids and any foolish adult who signed up. In 2004 we had 25,827 cases of pertussis and most kids are getting FIVE "pertussis vaccines" in a triple shot soup dose.

Now folks something is very WRONG.

HOW can they sell this?

And now they are fixing to MAKE us take more of this garbage.

Mothers please don't do it.

[Rrrrrachel]

Ugh, loophole, blocking doesn't work on tapatalk.

[WildKingdom]

Originally Posted by Louisw 

Healthy kids are not vaccinated kids

Want to find the healthiest children in America? Find families who follow these rules:


#1) They live on small farms and their children play in the dirt (they have contact with nature).

#2) Their children are all home schooled.

#3) None of their children are vaccinated.

#4) They drink raw milk and eat farm fresh foods.


As you will readily find, these are the healthiest, smartest kids in America! They don't have problems with autism, allergies, cancer or ADHD. They are bright, healthy, and easily capable of surviving an infection of chicken pox.


The least healthy children in America are vaccinated children who eat public school food (GMOs) and never spend time in nature. These are the asthmatics, the diabetics, the ADHD cases, the suicidal psych drug takers. They're vaccine damaged and nutritionally depleted, and they catch every cold every winter, it seems, you know what I mean?

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035466_whooping_cough_vaccines_outbreaks.html#ixzz1x3zxQIR7

You've never actually met real, live Amish people, have you? They live a life pretty close to your criteria. What you've written is a load of crap.

[WildKingdom]

Originally Posted by Louisw 

Well what is the mechanism of action of the "pertussis vaccine"? TIA

It induces the production of antibodies that attack pertussis toxin. And really, if you don't know a basic fact like that, how are you holding yourself up as some sort of knowledgable authority? Why should anyone pay 20 bucks to access your website when you don't even know the difference between the whole cell and acellular pertussis vaccines?