Mothering Mamas Who Thoughtfully Vaccinate - Page 10

[Dakotacakes]

Glad to have found this thread.  I believe in most of the tenets of attachment parenting especially in regards to discipline, babywearing and breastfeeding. We are vaccinating our 17 month old fairly close to the CDC schedule.  I research for a living (though I am in the social sciences not the Natural sciences) and did so with vaccines.  Once I did the research on vaccination I fell on the side of vaccinating.  I didn't find validity to the vaccine profits argument, since I could make the same argument about individuals advocating not vaccinating, they are profiting from encouraging people not to vaccinate as well. We have done Hep B.  I work with college students, and my husband with substance abusers so we are both exposed to things and have received the vaccine.  Since we knew at some point our child would be at our employment places we wanted him protected.  We also do flu shots.  We have not at this point vaccinated for Varcilla.  We will but his daycare provider had a 4 week old and I didn't want him around her with a fresh varcilla vaccine given what the Ped had said about it at the time.  He will get it before he goes to elementary school though.

[Rrrrrachel]

Welcome dakotacakes!

[prosciencemum]

Another potentially useful resource is http://vaxfax.me/ Which is just a custom version of Google which allows you to search only science or evidence based websites for vaccination information and therefore avoid misinfortmation published elsewhere. What a great idea! 

[Rrrrrachel]

Love that! I also wonder how it works. Only uses .org/.edu, etc or a curated database?

[chickabiddy]

Seems to be a curated database:

vaxfax.me is a project oriented around a google custom search engine.  It searches hundreds of science/evidence based websites for vaccine information.

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The content of both the include and exclude lists is available on request.

[DeliciaB]

I would like to know what you mean by please

" they are profiting from encouraging people not to vaccinate as well."

thanks for this tread ... like to learn more about why people choose to vax

[Rrrrrachel]

People like dr mercola are selling things. They are for profit. One of the ways they sell things is convincing you big pharma is bad and instead buy $$$$ worth of stuff from them (books, supplements, detox programs, etc etc)

[Sol_y_Paz]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

I curious why you never want to do a flu shot.

I don't find it very effective and I tend towards not wanting a shot every single year of my life since I have autoimmune stuff going on.  

Originally Posted by MichelleZB 

I don't think I can give suggestions to you because I don't know about your reasoning for why you like some vaccines and not others, or what your thought process has been. Like, is there a reason why you want to protect from chickenpox (but only after a certain age) but not meningitis? Is it a risk/benefit thing or something else?

I will say that they do give Hep B to adolescents instead of newborns in Canada, if you want to know an alternate schedule for that.

Thanks, would appreciate any thoughts.  Risk benefit I guess. 

The others I am considering I don't know enough about them yet, those are PC and HIB.  

Edited by Sol_y_Paz - 11/4/12 at 12:39pm

[Magali]

 

[Magali]

Originally Posted by MichelleZB 

I've mentioned before on this thread that we didn't do Hep B at birth because we don't do that in Canada. A vaccine at birth seems a bit much to me.

Actually, New Brunswick does vaccinate newborns for Hep B.

[tonttu]

Originally Posted by prosciencemum 

Another potentially useful resource is http://vaxfax.me/ Which is just a custom version of Google which allows you to search only science or evidence based websites for vaccination information and therefore avoid misinfortmation published elsewhere. What a great idea! 

LOVELOVELOVE this website ! It is so refreshing , to actually be able to read some REAL facts , without having to dig through anti-vax nonsense first !

[emmy526]

Originally Posted by tonttu 

LOVELOVELOVE this website ! It is so refreshing , to actually be able to read some REAL facts , without having to dig through anti-vax nonsense first !

you can do that anyway going right to the CDC or FDA website, or a manufacturer's website in regards to vaccine info

[tonttu]

No , not really ! I have found that website to be the most unbiased and accurate , when it comes to making and backing up claims !

[emmy526]

if you follow the references in many of the articles, they lead you to cdc, fda, other gov related info...but it does make it easier for a newbie to find info by the gov supported sites

Originally Posted by tonttu 

No , not really ! I have found that website to be the most unbiased and accurate , when it comes to making and backing up claims !

[HappyHappyMommy]

Hi All: As a reminder, please be respectful of the diversity of opinions at MDC and refrain from using terms like "anti-vax nonsense" or "pro-vax nonsense" to describe views that disagree with your views. If your posts use these or similar terms, please edit them accordingly. Thank you!
 

[prosciencemum]

Some celebrity Mamas who "thoughtfully" vaccinate. I thought this was interesting as I wasn't really aware of this before: 

Salma Hayek, is the North American spokesperson for the Pampers "One Pack-One Vaccine" fundraising campaign. 

 

Jennifer Gardner promotes vaccination against influenza for young children for the Faces of Influenza campaign.

 

Amanda Peet,  spokesperson for the Every Child By Two campaign. Her brother in law is a pediatrician who has worked with Paul Offit and arranged for her to talk to him about her vaccination choices after she became concerned about the dangers of vaccination.  

 

(information from this blog where there is a longer list: http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2008/07/celebrities-who.html - warning don't visit it if you don' want to read disrespectful comments about anti-vaccination choices) 

[~Adorkable~]

so im looking to you gals for a little help with being a worry wort. my twins are 22m and have been mostly on schedule though usually just a few months behind because they wee premies and are not exposed that much being only children and their shots were spaced out o they only get one or two shots a visit and just go more often. 

now the only thing they are behind on is MMR and VAR. i have just been holding off. the VAR i have been putting off, because like the earlier conversation, im just seeing both sides of the issues. though lately i think i have summed it up for myself:

that the problem is that there is a vax in the first place, not if my child now gets it or not.

the issues with loss of natral boosters will affect everyone as the bulk of the population will soon be vaxed for it.  

so at this point i doubt it matters much if we get it or not, so will probably get the shot.

that leaves me with the MMR, and i realize that i'm super nervous about it. not totally sure why, i goes i do think that some folks have something triggered in their systems by the stress of maybe the live virus for the first time? the fevers and seizures are a fact, even according to the cdc, so that bums me out.  but i also know that they will need them at some point soon, because my schools and now our military day care option that we need to use for a few things will surely need it too. i am simply not going to fight that fight for exemptions, you will almost never get one in the military, and frankly I'm not going to lie to try to.

so i just need to go do it, and i'm dragging my feet and keep making excuses why it cant be this week (one has a cold, the are teething, we travel in a week and i dont want a problem to come up when we are away) its always something and has ben for months.  what should i do? how do i make myself ok with this??

[Rrrrrachel]

I'll be honest mmr made me nervous too. It's difficult not to react emotionally when there's so much negative stuff out there about it. I spent a lot of time reading stuff like the institute of medicine reports. We ended up getting it on schedule and she was totally fine, not even a fever or anything.

I think you're right about varicella, as long as there's a vaccine and most people are getting it, whether you would've felt it was excess army or not absent of that getting it is the right thing to do, because the odds of contracting it naturally in childhood are so slim.

[prosciencemum]

I'm with you both actually. I also find varicella the least concerning - in fact here in the UK it's not on the regular schedule at all for healthy children, and I have still yet to decide if paying out of pocket to get it privately for my youngest (and booster for older who got it in US) is worth the money. In the US, with the reduced circulation thanks to vaccination I completely understand why people would choose not to get it.

And with the MMR vaccination I also found I needed to reassure myself over the "well what if they are right" worry over the scare stories you read. I found the Cochrane Collaboration review on the safety of MMR to most reassuring. And if you want a reassuring anecdote, both mine have been fine following it. I honestly am convinced than any links between MMR and autism spectrum disorders are a coincidence brought about by the similar timing of the vaccination and onset of symptoms.  

[kathymuggle]

Adorkable:  MMR and Varicella are safer when given separately than together

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/126/1/e1.full.pdf+html?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=mmrv+vaccine+seizures&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT

Edited by kathymuggle - 11/7/12 at 1:16pm