Can I take that response to mean that I am right and there is no evidence that Hibiclens is as effective as IV antibiotics?
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I have never researched this, I have always just sort of believed that the hibiclens worked. I hope it is as effective, because I won't have access to IV's. Off to do some reading.
However, I do believe, offhand that there are many other ways to combat GBS such as ingestion of acidophilus, lacto-fermented foods, garlic, etc. I mean, it is only logical since GBS seems to stem from a flora problem.
NO. You can take that response to mean that I am sick to death of 20 page fight threads and you insulting the birth choices of women on the HB forum. I have no idea why you continue to successfully troll this forum.
What am I supposed to do? Post links to the research/information which supports my assertion that Hibiclens is as good as IV antibiotics at halting transmission? Because all you're going to do is laugh at my sources, tell me how ridiculous I am for buying into such hogwash...and then turn around and post some western model based, "super special" "peer reviewed" article that states that anyone who doesn't get IV antibiotics who is GBS+ is stupid, wants to kill their babies and how Hibiclens is "teh devil".
You seem to hate any MW who doesn't wear a white coat, have CNM behind her name and who doesn't practice in a hospital or bring the model of care you would expect in a hospital into a persons home. So...yeah, you *would* think that the OPs MW is effing this up. Duh.
I think your sources are mostly crappy, the very foundation of the model of care you promote chills me to the bone and your general attitude toward birth/pregnancy choices really ticks me off.
You think my sources are mostly crappy, that the very foundation of the model of care I promote is insane/dangerous and my general attitude toward birth/pregnancy choices seems to really tick you off.
We're never going to see eye to eye. Fine. Here's the rub:
MY choices/ideas/sources/thoughts/views are VERY in line with most of the women who post on this forum..the home birth forum. YOURS are VERY out of line with most of the women who post to these forums. Your criticisms are commonly insulting and you fear monger a lot. I'm just sick of it. I don't understand why you post in this forum at all.
POPPYLOVE, since you mentioned garlic, I thought you might be interested in this story:
Great article, fruitful mama. I read that one when pregnant with my first. There are actually quite of few studies that I've read showing chlorhexidine (hibiclens) to be effective in reducing neonatal and maternal infections.
here's one from the international journal of gyn and ob: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2727736/ that talks about its use in lower resource areas as an alternative to abx when they're not available.
In the event OP, that you do test positive for GBS if you decide to test, i think it's also important to keep in mind the side effects that abx can create - even over months and years, for you and the baby. Gut flora is sometimes irreversibly destroyed, thrush is very common for mama and baby after use of abx, the list goes on. If i tested positive at any point, i would megadose on probiotics/garlic and the like. I take probiotics daily anyway, especially during pregnancy and breastfeeding. again, this is just what i do.
and buzzbuzz - i think it's tricky to depend so heavily on evidence based research as being the be all end all in medicine, as a scholar/practitioner myself i am always looking to evidence based practices to influence my own practice, but I also realize there have been countless practices that were at one time evidence based only to be retracted due to long term side effects or even illegitimate research. not to say abx aren't effective, they clearly are, but there is a lot to be said for practices that don't get equal attention, funding etc due to external circumstances. hibiclens seems to be one of those, but fortunately it seems more research is being done around it.
Good luck OP, it seems your midwife is giving you a lot of freedom of choice around your birth, you are lucky for that. So many women have traumatic pregnancy and birth experiences because they didn't get that freedom. happy birthing!
"MY choices/ideas/sources/thoughts/views are VERY in line with most of the women who post on this forum..the home birth forum. YOURS are VERY out of line with most of the women who post to these forums."
And this is relevant to what, exactly? I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to state an opinion unless I agreed with everyone else.
"Your criticisms are commonly insulting and you fear monger a lot."
Critiquing care is important and valid -- especially in a world where the most recently reported statistics for Colorado homebirth midwives show that 1 out of every 61 babies died under their care and where 28% of licensed Oregon homebirth midwives have open complaints against them. Midwifery care is not some sacred cow that must be unquestioned. And acknowledging risk is not fear-mongering.
I believe that in Missouri, North Carolina, Oregon, and California the stats have been released in their annual reports on birth and death rates. Search the state government reports for these numbers. In addition, there have been many news articles lately on high profile home birth deaths in Idaho, North Carolina, and Oregon and I believe some of those articles mention the stats you are looking for.
Come on, Buzzbuzz. I had your back after your first few posts in this thread. The OP's mw would not have been okay with me. That's a lot of opinion to me and not a care-giver that would have a plan of action or best practices.
My mw didn't think vit k was necessary and would evaluate after birth, but you can bet that I made sure she had it if it was needed. Same with the pit.
bwg, just my two cents:
there seems to be lots of fear mongering in the other direction on mdc, too. women who visit mdc who choose an ob/hospital birth/need surgical birth have to contend with all sorts of ridiculous anicdata, just so you know. most people just ignore posts that seem unhelpful.