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post #81 of 234
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Originally Posted by Imakcerka View Post

BM, slow it down.  Slow it down.  It's gonna be okay.  You can look all over MDC and this topic gets brought up yearly.  And everyone is still surprised by those who seem to have some issues with the way VULVA and VAGINA roll of the tongue.  It's not new.  Besides I think we're due for another one of these threads.  Sorry you didn't like people disagreeing with your original sentiment.  Can't always have it your way. 

 

PS

 

It's a forum, there are lots of people here.  LOTS!  We're not all going to agree with you. 

Please disagree with me all you want. Do it respectfully is all I ask. Don't make assumptions and don't try and ridicule. Don't try and put words in my mouth. Read my complete posts. Don't make this your personal soapbox. 

 

Just because it looks a bit like all those other threads.. it is not one of 'those' threads.

 

May be it has been an year and you were hungrily waiting for one such thread. Sure you can use it as a platform to rehash all that you ALL had collectively decided was the 'most correct and best' way to do things and maybe you ALL had reached a consensus on what the world should/should not be doing.... No problems.

 

Do not make me the scapegoat of all that you perceive as evil and try to fit my square statements into a round hole so you can get things off your chest. And do not try and shame me.

 

No one likes to take it lying down.

post #82 of 234
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Originally Posted by Blessed_Mom View Post

 

 

Oh then you should really fight with the posters who are suggesting using yoni or sacred well !

 

I suggested sacred well, it was tongue in cheek, yo. Because it's ridiculous. Like this argument. Really, how is labia any different than vagina or vulva? It seems like you kinda tossed that out there as a way to get people off of your back. 

 

 

And yeah, to the poster who said it, sure, if a kid is being abused they can say "pee-pee" or crotch or whatever word you use for it, but that's not the point, is it? It's about the negative connotation that the words vagina, vulva, etc have acquired over history. It's about the idea that sexual organs are dirty or are shameful and so they must not be referred to ever, except with cutesy names or in hushed tones. Seriously, people, come on. 

post #83 of 234
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Originally Posted by eclipse View Post

You sound angry, BM. There's no judgement attached to that statement. Just an observation.

 

 

Eclipse if you are observant enough to see 'inherent shame and years of oppression' in my slightest protest about how I could not make a song about vagina... surely you are observant enough to see the judgement!

 

Let's not kid ourselves here. Let's call a spade a spade.

post #84 of 234
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Originally Posted by Blessed_Mom View Post

 

 

Eclipse if you are observant enough to see 'inherent shame and years of oppression' in my slightest protest about how I could not make a song about vagina... surely you are observant enough to see the judgement!

 

Let's not kid ourselves here. Let's call a spade a spade.

 

Or a vagina a vagina. 

post #85 of 234
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Originally Posted by PhoenixMommaToTwo View Post

 

I suggested sacred well, it was tongue in cheek, yo. Because it's ridiculous. Like this argument. Really, how is labia any different than vagina or vulva? It seems like you kinda tossed that out there as a way to get people off of your back. 

 

 

And yeah, to the poster who said it, sure, if a kid is being abused they can say "pee-pee" or crotch or whatever word you use for it, but that's not the point, is it? It's about the negative connotation that the words vagina, vulva, etc have acquired over history. It's about the idea that sexual organs are dirty or are shameful and so they must not be referred to ever, except with cutesy names or in hushed tones. Seriously, people, come on. 

 

Oh did it? All this provoking people and responding back sounds like I am trying to get people off my back? It doesn't seem like I am standing my ground to you? 

 

Well.. then we have a winner for what else is ridiculous - people!

post #86 of 234

Or a vulva a vulva.

post #87 of 234
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Originally Posted by Imakcerka View Post

Or a vulva a vulva.

 

Vullllllvvvvvaaaa.......... it kinda rolls of the tongue, eh? Vagina, vagina, vagina. See? Not that hard to say, or type, in this case. 

post #88 of 234

Maybe a vulvita?  Or Vulvinator?

post #89 of 234
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Originally Posted by Blessed_Mom View Post

 

Oh did it? All this provoking people and responding back sounds like I am trying to get people off my back? It doesn't seem like I am standing my ground to you? 

 

Well.. then we have a winner for what else is ridiculous - people!

 

Nope, sounds like you're throwing around a bunch of meanie accusations more than you're standing your ground. And I mean that respectfully, of course. 

post #90 of 234
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Originally Posted by Imakcerka View Post

Maybe a vulvita?  Or Vulvinator?

Vulvita sounds like vaginal (or, uh, vulvular) cheese. Like a really bad yeast infection.
post #91 of 234
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Originally Posted by Imakcerka View Post

Maybe a vulvita?  Or Vulvinator?

 

Vulvita reminds me of cheese. Not sure I want to associate cheese with vulva. lol.gif

post #92 of 234
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Originally Posted by eclipse View Post


Vulvita sounds like vaginal (or, uh, vulvular) cheese. Like a really bad yeast infection.

 

Cross post! And jinx, you owe me a coke!

post #93 of 234
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Originally Posted by Blessed_Mom View Post

I specifically quoted one of my earliest posts that mentioned the 'sound' of the word. If you didn't understand when I essentially said the same thing - then you obviously did not read all my posts.

So I am very interested about your deductive logic.

You got that this was 1) My approach to parenting in general 2) That I am actively choosing NOT to use non-melodious words with my DD and am shielding them from her 3) Have come up with a whole slew of words that you think may be similar to words I have been hiding from my child 4) Wonder if I am actively trying to come up with alternate words for every 'harsh sounding' word out there in the world 5) Wonder how my DD is being affected by hearing these harsh words or how I perceive her as being affected by harsh sounding words 6) and Ask how I keep her away from such words.. How do I shield her? Do I close her ears when she hears them? Do I put a special word-selector over her ears?

Your logical reasoning fascinates me! Care to explain how your mind works? Am really very curious.

Also explain how you chose to completely ignore that I have been using vulva and vagina all her life so far and will continue to use it but was wanting to know if there were a reasonable substitute when I was making a song about it and wanting to make her laugh?

That would be truly helpful too.

I'll be happy to explain how my mind works! You specifically said - and repeated - that it wasn't the content of the word that bothered you. You have no problem with the body parts in question, no history of thinking about them as shameful and that certainly wasn't something you were passing on to your daughter.

The problem as you stated it was with the sound of the word itself. It's harshness or "heaviness." And since you were so adamant that it was the sounds itself, not the meaning, not the associations - that this had nothing to do with what the word actually meant - it wasn't a terribly great leap of logic to assume that you were similarly concerned with the sounds of other words. After all, why single this one out if your concerns about it's sound had nothing to do with its meaning?
post #94 of 234

Good talk ladies. 

post #95 of 234
BM, I don't think anyone is ignoring what you have said or twisting it. I think we either have different opinions of this than you do, or we still don't understand exactly what this thread is about and what it was intended to accomplish. I'm not sure at what point I made you mad by asking questions to try to understand what you were talking about.
post #96 of 234
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Originally Posted by PhoenixMommaToTwo View Post

 

Nope, sounds like you're throwing around a bunch of meanie accusations more than you're standing your ground. And I mean that respectfully, of course. 

 

Seriously? You just see my posts as being mean or accusatory? Then you have bad blinders on PMTT. Hope it can go without saying that I mean that respectfully too..

 

On the other hand...

 

OK ladies.. this has gone on long enough. What say? I am closing shop. Please feel free to use this thread as a battleground or your soapbox all you want. Just be careful about not misquoting me. Feel free to lament on the world in general and the atrocities committed to women in particular and how men and society have used secret weapons to subjugate women through the ages (only being partly cheeky).

 

Try and not be disrespectful to me. Try as much as you can also to not try to drag me in. Again - can I remind you that I am done? Read my bolded line above.

post #97 of 234
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Originally Posted by Imakcerka View Post

Or a vulva a vulva.


But it's common and accepted to call a vulva a vagina? ROFL!
post #98 of 234
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Originally Posted by zinemama View Post

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Originally Posted by Blessed_Mom View Post

I specifically quoted one of my earliest posts that mentioned the 'sound' of the word. If you didn't understand when I essentially said the same thing - then you obviously did not read all my posts.

So I am very interested about your deductive logic.

You got that this was 1) My approach to parenting in general 2) That I am actively choosing NOT to use non-melodious words with my DD and am shielding them from her 3) Have come up with a whole slew of words that you think may be similar to words I have been hiding from my child 4) Wonder if I am actively trying to come up with alternate words for every 'harsh sounding' word out there in the world 5) Wonder how my DD is being affected by hearing these harsh words or how I perceive her as being affected by harsh sounding words 6) and Ask how I keep her away from such words.. How do I shield her? Do I close her ears when she hears them? Do I put a special word-selector over her ears?

Your logical reasoning fascinates me! Care to explain how your mind works? Am really very curious.

Also explain how you chose to completely ignore that I have been using vulva and vagina all her life so far and will continue to use it but was wanting to know if there were a reasonable substitute when I was making a song about it and wanting to make her laugh?

That would be truly helpful too.

I'll be happy to explain how my mind works! You specifically said - and repeated - that it wasn't the content of the word that bothered you. You have no problem with the body parts in question, no history of thinking about them as shameful and that certainly wasn't something you were passing on to your daughter.

The problem as you stated it was with the sound of the word itself. It's harshness or "heaviness." And since you were so adamant that it was the sounds itself, not the meaning, not the associations - that this had nothing to do with what the word actually meant - it wasn't a terribly great leap of logic to assume that you were similarly concerned with the sounds of other words. After all, why single this one out if your concerns about it's sound had nothing to do with its meaning?

I follow you zinemama and was thinking the same thing.
post #99 of 234

BM Just flushed the thread.  But I still think this is worth talking about.  If we can talk about it.

post #100 of 234

Do you work so hard to avoid other "heavy-sounding" words?

 

I don't know how a "heavy" word is constructed, but by golly, if Vulva is one, then Volvo must be too! "Mommy, what kind of car is that?" "Well, honey, it's a, uh, it's a Swedish car, honey."

 

Face it, the argument that the pronunciation is difficult or unpleasant is just ... let's say misleading.

 

The word is heavy because society imbues it with shame. It's not your fault. It's not your fault at all.

 

However, you have an opportunity to help this generation of women (we're right along side you) to empower our children.

 

Your daughter is going to grow up thinking "vulva" is weird if you can't bring yourself to say it. Is that what you want? Why not take the bull by the horns and reclaim the word?

 

VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA VULVA - YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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