Your thoughts on MDC's vax forum! - Page 2

[stik]

Originally Posted by MamaMunchkin 


I see - so, have you somehow felt judged, or not accepted, for being not-crunchy enough because you vax, here in MDC?  In real life?  Not a snark, truly trying to understand.

Yes.

[MamaMunchkin]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

I have been flat out told I'm not "crunchy" enough because I vaccinate. Heck, I've been told I'm not much of a mother because I vaccinate.

Oh, dear, oh, dear - I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Vaxing decision does - not - carry the same weight as CD-ing, homebirth, breastfeeding, and other natural-AP-crunchy-whatever parenting choices.  The big difference - legislation, public health policy.

Apart from possible medical consequences, choosing not to vax has much greater repercussions.  It's not about fitting in, being accepted, rejected, or name called by certain groups of crunchy, non-crunchy parents etc - the repercussions go beyond hurt feelings.

Am I getting this right - some of the pro-vaxxers here, who thoughtfully chose to vax etc, wanting a pro-vax board - all these because your feeling got hurt?  For not being accepted as crunchy enough?  While some parents here deal with vax injuries? 

Am I understanding this correctly?

[Rrrrrachel]

I don't want a pro vax board.  I think it's silly.  

[stik]

MamaMunchkin are you still trying to understand perspectives and not snark?

[amnesiac]

Originally Posted by Mosaic 

Let's keep this positive and focused on what *you* want and need while kinda avoiding debate on what we think others want/need, ok? Choose all that apply and, of course, please post with more info if needed!

[MamaMunchkin]

Originally Posted by stik 

MamaMunchkin are you still trying to understand perspectives and not snark?

I believe I got the perspective after getting the answers.  I'm in a state of disbelief as to what the responses might mean - it simply can't be ...  If you consider that a snark - then let it be ...

[Rrrrrachel]

It simply can be that women on both sides of a controversial issue are treated poorly and subject to rude comments? Really? Do you suffer from a total lack of empathy or just no imagination?

I'm putting myself on a 24 hour time out. I enjoy a heated debate as much as the next person, but this is ridiculous.

[Mosaic]

Originally Posted by MamaMunchkin 

Am I getting this right - some of the pro-vaxxers here, who thoughtfully chose to vax etc, wanting a pro-vax board - all these because your feeling got hurt?  For not being accepted as crunchy enough?  While some parents here deal with vax injuries? 

Am I understanding this correctly?

Again, the aim of this poll is to learn what YOU want/need, not for you to question what others want/need. This poll was started, in part, because of interest expressed on other threads regarding have a forum/subforum more open to vax-supportive comments, as current forum guidelines limit that conversation. While the tone of your post comes across as quite condescending, I think it's appropriate to point out that I did specifically ask if members come to MDC for support, as that would help us tailor the board to meet members' needs.

[MamaMunchkin]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

It simply can be that women on both sides of a controversial issue are treated poorly and subject to rude comments? Really? Do you suffer from a total lack of empathy or just no imagination?
I'm putting myself on a 24 hour time out. I enjoy a heated debate as much as the next person, but this is ridiculous.

This is personal and absolutely uncalled for.

I got the impression from the responses that vaxing decision may have equal weight with other AP choices a parent makes - the fact is they are not.  If stating that fact makes me suffer from a lack of empathy and just no imagination, then OK.

[MamaMunchkin]

Originally Posted by Mosaic 

Again, the aim of this poll is to learn what YOU want/need, not for you to question what others want/need. This poll was started, in part, because of interest expressed on other threads regarding have a forum/subforum more open to vax-supportive comments, as current forum guidelines limit that conversation. While the tone of your post comes across as quite condescending, I think it's appropriate to point out that I did specifically ask if members come to MDC for support, as that would help us tailor the board to meet members' needs.

Yeah, I just noticed that.  I'm going to stop now.

[Adaline'sMama]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

I don't want a pro vax board.  I think it's silly.  

I agree. If we have an , "Im not vaccinating" board and a "I am vaccinating board" then what is the general board for? I would think that all the non vaxers would love to keep it "pro"vaxxers using the main board, and them having a seperate board. Very against the mainstream, very much something that people can automatically go to if they are new to MDC and are looking for people who don't want to vax. (that was one of my main reasons for coming here.)

[purslaine]

Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama 


I agree. If we have an , "Im not vaccinating" board and a "I am vaccinating board" then what is the general board for? I would think that all the non vaxers would love to keep it "pro"vaxxers using the main board, and them having a seperate board. Very against the mainstream, very much something that people can automatically go to if they are new to MDC and are looking for people who don't want to vax. (that was one of my main reasons for coming here.)

It seems pretty evenly split.

There are pro-vaxxers who want a pro-vax board in the spirit of fairness and welcomeness to those who have made the informed decision to vax, a place to discuss pro-vax issues without having to hear from the rest of us, etc.

Then there are pro-vaxxers who think debate is the reason for being here, and that there would not be much to say on a pro-vax forum.  I suspect some do not like the non-vax forum for a bunch of reasons - but one is they believe it is an "echo chamber".  A pro-vax forum would also be an echo chamber - so it would be pretty hypocritical to want one.

OTOH, there are a number of non-vaxxers who do want a pro-vax forum.  A lot of it comes down to wanting to be fair, and wanting both sides represented (even if you do not agree with the other side).  It can be hard to get to any meat of the matter in the general forum due to the constant bickering.

Some non-vaxxer do not want a pro-vax forum, as they believe MDC's roots are vax questioning.  Moreover they believe the mainstream vax viewpoint is highly represented in the mainstream world - thus there is no need for it here.  People can get it elsewhere, and MDC should be a

space for vax questioners.

Edited by purslaine - 7/11/12 at 4:04pm

[Rrrrrachel]

There aren't actually very many places to discuss vaccine issues out there, believe it or not. Probably because not much discussion goes on without some dissent.

I don't dislike the I'm not vaccinating forum. I don't care about it either way.

[Alenushka]

I want provax forum where vax parents can share.  I am tired of vaccines being blamed for everything.

[amnesiac]

What would be the advantages & disadvantages of separate forums vs. social groups for vaxing, not vaxing, S & D vaxing?

[Rrrrrachel]

In the last people have said they find social groups difficult to find and they did not like the idea of a membership requirement as a barrier to posting. I am just repeating what I've seen people say. I think a social group might be a old solution because it lets the members create the climate.

[Adaline'sMama]

While social groups work for some things, I feel like it might be good to get a count of how many people actually post on the vax board before making those groups. As I said before, MDC is already pretty spread out, and spreading people who have a passion to talk about vaccinations out even further may just lead to less discussion.

[purslaine]

I don't really get the whole social group thing.  

I would stick to what posters know and are comfortable with - which is forums.  

how do social groups work?  

[purslaine]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

In the last people have said they find social groups difficult to find and they did not like the idea of a membership requirement as a barrier to posting. I am just repeating what I've seen people say. I think a social group might be a old solution because it lets the members create the climate.

Bolding mine - did you mean odd or something else?

[Rrrrrachel]

I meant good. Autocorrect ftw. Ironically it got you, too!