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post #101 of 139
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Originally Posted by Minerva23 View Post


Risk of what? Vaxxed kids are already 100% protected right? So what are they afraid of? And those who cannot get vaxxed due to medical reasons? Well, I guess we cannot protect everybody!

Just a factual correction, since I'm on the wrong board. Vaccination cannot protect anyone 100%. No medicine can. Anyone who suggests that is being misleading.

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post #102 of 139
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Originally Posted by Chloebelle View Post

I'm late to the party, but I totally get why the OP asked this question. It is so beyond sad that we don't even have the freedoms to make these important decisions for our OWN children in what is supposed to be a free country, and that we have to resort to this kind of thinking just to allow our children to go to school. I personally don't agree with faking documents, but I'm also very blessed to live in Canada, so I don't have to face these challenges. My heart goes out to you.

I really love this forum and that we non-vaccers have a place to come and support each other. I haven't been on much lately, because I really resent that so many of you pro-vaccers feel the need to come here and ruin the experience. Don't you people have anything better to do? Seriously, I would never even think of posting on a board that had nothing to do with me or my beliefs. I get that you disagree with our stance on vaccinations, but bite your tongue and move on...or better yet, don't read it in the first place.

 

Chloebelle, I actually think that this conversation has lost sight of the OP and her actual situation.

 

To wit - she lives in Massachusetts.  In my extensive experience with Massachusetts (I live there too, and have two children who attend school and daycare here, I grew up here, and attended school here myself until I was 18, my siblings and friends have children who attend both public and private schools here), the OP emphatically does NOT have to resort to this kind of thinking in order to "allow" her children to go to school. 

 

It is my experience in this state that, if the OP wants to not vaccinate her kids, she could find a sympathetic pediatrician (which she could do by hitting the tribal areas section of this very board and asking around), and offer a letter to the schools - basically, a pediatrician's note saying that the children are healthy and there is no reason they cannot participate in school and camp activities, listing their allergies (if they have any), and stating that the children are not vaccinated for (medical/philosophical/religious) reasons.  This is what I did when I needed my kids to be not vaccinated for a while.  It worked fine.

 

Whatever reasons the OP may have to feel that forging a vaccine record is the best plan, I do not feel that they are rooted in the realities of the place she lives, or the laws that apply there.

 

This conversation has departed to a discussion of what would happen in certain worst-case scenarios in which different laws applied and doctors were under more scrutiny.  Some of these scenarios are genuine - some states really are making it harder to get exemptions.  Some of these scenarios, however, are just made up.  Doctors are not currently scrutinized based on the number of exemptions they give to patients, for example.

post #103 of 139
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Originally Posted by prosciencemum View Post


Just a factual correction, since I'm on the wrong board. Vaccination cannot protect anyone 100%. No medicine can. Anyone who suggests that is being misleading.
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Exactly, my point.

post #104 of 139

I stumbled upon this thread and OP's question while I was researching if there is a way to falsify vaccination records.  I agree, if you are in a state that allows you to get an exemption---- Great!!!!! Get an exemption.  I live in Texas and from the research I have done, I can't find an exemption clause here.  I could be wrong.  Now I am forced to get a bacterial meningitis vaccination if I want to attend a University and the cheapest I can get one for (with insurance) is $132.  It my not be ethical, but if I can find a way to falsify a document to go to school, I am okay with that.  I don't think I should be forced into getting a vaccination in order to get an education.  No one should. But what are the options?  

 

Side note... I'm a little too scared to falsify a document but I just wanted to see if it was an easy task.  Apparently not.

OP, do what you have to do. 

post #105 of 139

TM, I recently started University and simply printed an exemption form and had it notarized. Out of curiosity, in case we're close by, which university? 

post #106 of 139
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Originally Posted by TMS79 View Post
 

I live in Texas and from the research I have done, I can't find an exemption clause here.  I could be wrong.  Now I am forced to get a bacterial meningitis vaccination if I want to attend a University

 

Here is the Texas law regarding the university bacterial meningitis vaccine requirement. You DON'T have to get the vaccine!

http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=R&app=9&p_dir=&p_rloc=&p_tloc=&p_ploc=&pg=1&p_tac=&ti=19&pt=1&ch=21&rl=614

post #107 of 139

this is a very interesting discussion, and a well-moderated one.  i personally am interested in this thread because anecdotal experience in my own community leads me to believe that a significant percentage of parents are falsifying their children's school vax records.  i have been trying to determine whether or not my home state has any mechanisms in place to verify school vax records with the physician claimed by the parent to have administered the vax. 

 

the reason i think that verifying these records is important is because if an outbreak of disease occurred, and the school's records showed a 99% vax rate but say 10% of parents had fudged their vax records, this could have the effect of causing people to believe that vaccinations don't work.  it has lately occurred to me that a school system could very easily take it upon itself to contact the physicians listed on each and every vax form submitted by parents and ask for verification.  if the parent completed the form honestly, then this would present no breach of honesty.  conversely, if the parent falsified the document and listed a physicians contact info who did not administer a vax to their child, and perhaps forged the physician's signature as well, then if the school submitted this form to that physician for review and the physician denied having treated that particular child, then that child's parents would have no legal standing to claim their medical confidentiality was breached since nothing medical occurred in the first place. 

 

the objection could be raised that school nurses don't have the time to track down all of these doctors.  but i don't think this would be all that onerous a task, really.  there are only so many pediatricians in any city, and the forms could easily be categorized by doctor and submitted in batches.  and by working together with all the local pediatricians, school nurses could submit condensed lists of patient names to these doctors through a secure private channel and even then, only the doctors themselves will know if there were any names listed who did not receive vaccinations.  the decision of what to do about specific cases of medical record fraud on the part of parents could be left up to the physicians---since they are the most damaged party after all---but it would violate no one's rights for the doctors to at least report back to the school what percentage of patient names submitted to them by the school checked out against their records.  this percentage, as validated directly by the doctors, should be of great interest to school administrators if only because it may be of great interest to the parents of the students attending their schools. 

post #108 of 139
Scienceoerson, the system you describe would be a violation of patient privacy law (which already prohibits doctors from saying who is or is not their patient unless the patient consents or there is a subpeona) and I think you underestimate the logistical challenge. At the moment, my pediatrician has moved to a records system that allows parents to log in and get copies of vax records without involving office staff, because it's a cost savings for them.

I live in a medium city. There are thousands of pediatricians here, and there's nothing to stop a family from seeing a ped outside the city limits. There are hundreds of thousands of children. This past year, the public schools went to universal free lunch because the bureaucracy needed to check free lunch applications was more expensive then feeding kids who didn't qualify. Many elementary schools don't have full-time school nurses. Those nurses have existing workloads.
post #109 of 139

Yah with meepycat on this one.  Major HIPPA violation there.  I live in a large town - don't use a pedi in town. DD will be attending school in a completely separate town from both - it wouldn't be easy at all to track.  Not to mention the lawsuits that would follow if information was handed out. 

post #110 of 139

What state do you live in, scienceperson?

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Edited by nia82 - 2/18/14 at 6:19am
post #112 of 139

I saw this on new posts and I thought it was the holiday helper thread...

post #113 of 139
I know this thread is old, but I just read the whole thing. Re: the genocide comparison comment that was found so abhorrent by another poster, I want everyone to understand that straight from the donkey's mouth came the FACT that "vaccination is population control," because these poisons are rendering our children infertile. Yes, Bill Gates himself admitted it. I have always, always, since I first learned the truth of vaccines, understood the connection between death and infertility, and the vaccines. Chinese babies are now targeted by these drugs companies, and those babies are dying. Indian and African children are being injured and murdered by these ruthless profiteers. American children are being left mentally incapacitated and infertile, and are even being killed. So yes, it is genocide. Done for profit or done for hate, wiping out or "culling" a population is genocide. There is a special rotisserie in hell for Bill Gates for his part in the murder and injury of innocents.
post #114 of 139
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I know this thread is old, but I just read the whole thing. Re: the genocide comparison comment that was found so abhorrent by another poster, I want everyone to understand that straight from the donkey's mouth came the FACT that "vaccination is population control," because these poisons are rendering our children infertile. Yes, Bill Gates himself admitted it. I have always, always, since I first learned the truth of vaccines, understood the connection between death and infertility, and the vaccines. Chinese babies are now targeted by these drugs companies, and those babies are dying. Indian and African children are being injured and murdered by these ruthless profiteers. American children are being left mentally incapacitated and infertile, and are even being killed. So yes, it is genocide. Done for profit or done for hate, wiping out or "culling" a population is genocide. There is a special rotisserie in hell for Bill Gates for his part in the murder and injury of innocents.

It's a fact that Gates did in fact say this. In fact I believe you can google a video or recording of it. I saw it so long ago I can't recall which it was.
post #115 of 139

Now now, the Gates Foundation is an upstanding organization! Just look at their investments from 2012:

http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation_exposed/31334/0/38/38/Y/M.html

post #116 of 139
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Originally Posted by blessedbyblues View Post

I know this thread is old, but I just read the whole thing. Re: the genocide comparison comment that was found so abhorrent by another poster, I want everyone to understand that straight from the donkey's mouth came the FACT that "vaccination is population control," because these poisons are rendering our children infertile. Yes, Bill Gates himself admitted it. I have always, always, since I first learned the truth of vaccines, understood the connection between death and infertility, and the vaccines. Chinese babies are now targeted by these drugs companies, and those babies are dying. Indian and African children are being injured and murdered by these ruthless profiteers. American children are being left mentally incapacitated and infertile, and are even being killed. So yes, it is genocide. Done for profit or done for hate, wiping out or "culling" a population is genocide. There is a special rotisserie in hell for Bill Gates for his part in the murder and injury of innocents.

Are you going to start protesting clean water projects and programs to end hunger next? Those help reduce population growth in the exact same way as vaccination programs.

If you want more people to choose to have fewer children, they need two things to start: 1: the knowledge and tools necessary to have some control over their own fertility, and 2: the expectation that the children they do still have will survive to grow up.

Areas with low child mortality rates tend to have stable populations. Part of this is that we do not feel the need to have six or eight or as many kids as we physically can just to be sure of having a couple survive to care for us when we are old.

Vaccines can prevent diseases that kill a lot of kids in the poorest parts of the world, so like anything else that reduces mortality, they are a tool in fighting overpopulation. Vaccines are not a means of forced sterilization, and Bill Gates is not promoting genocide when he talks about how using vaccines to save lives will help slow population growth.
post #117 of 139
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Are you going to start protesting clean water projects and programs to end hunger next? Those help reduce population growth in the exact same way as vaccination programs.

If you want more people to choose to have fewer children, they need two things to start: 1: the knowledge and tools necessary to have some control over their own fertility, and 2: the expectation that the children they do still have will survive to grow up.

Areas with low child mortality rates tend to have stable populations. Part of this is that we do not feel the need to have six or eight or as many kids as we physically can just to be sure of having a couple survive to care for us when we are old.

Vaccines can prevent diseases that kill a lot of kids in the poorest parts of the world, so like anything else that reduces mortality, they are a tool in fighting overpopulation. Vaccines are not a means of forced sterilization, and Bill Gates is not promoting genocide when he talks about how using vaccines to save lives will help slow population growth.
Wrong board, ducky. Also, vaccines do sterilize their victims.
post #118 of 139
I know this is old, but I saw this cited on another board and felt like I should probably track you down. A couple of things:

1. If you live in MA (I do too), there's no need to falsify his vaccine record. M.G.L. 76 § 15 states that you have to write a letter stating that "vaccines conflict with your sincere religious beliefs." That's all. No forms, no hoops of fire to jump through. No doctor's signature is needed. Just cite the law (google is your friend) and paste it into a letter. The school is legally allowed to contact your doctor, and you have to provide the name of one who cares for your kids, so they can ask anyway.

2. Unless you are planning to move to Mississippi, you have the option of a religious exemption everywhere else. It's true that West Virginia does not offer one, however the state has been made to pay for mandatory home schooling for families who refuse to vaccinate on religious grounds. The only state which requires any sort of scriptural evidence is New York. Frankly, they're awful with exemptions. If you move there, just hire a lawyer.

3. The Supreme Court defines Religion as a "matter of ultimate concern," and addresses that belief in a higher power does not qualify their definition. Only NY will ask.

4. Please do not falsify medical records. Removing the supposed judgement from this statement, you'll bring the wrath of every pro-vax doctor, hospital, school, and family around you down on yourself if you get caught, never mind the legal ramifications, and you Risk Losing Your Health Insurance and your legal exemptions.

5. You need to be more careful with your online identity. Look, in all seriousness, it took me 15 seconds to figure out who you are from your screen name and description. I really do hope the pottery business is hopping right now so you can hire a private nanny for little E, but in the event that it doesn't go as planned, it's probably not such a good idea to put yourself out there where you're so easily trackable. If angry Ob/Gyns are writing about you on their blogs, there's no telling who will act on that info.
Edited by Leslie17 - 2/18/14 at 5:55am
post #119 of 139

Hi Leslie17,

 

I completely understand your concerns and hope I can offer you a better option where you can achieve your objectives.

 

I believe there is a form that you need to get call a 'Conscientious Objector Form' or something similar and you will need to take this to your doctor to get signed.

 

This should provide you with an exemption due to consciencious objection to immunization.  If you are then refused entry to a school or child care center with this form, you can sue them for discrimination.

 

This is the law in Australia, however, I have also seen information on this in the United States and I'm certain that you have the same rights.  I have seen this information also on an American website which contained US forms, although the wording and procedure may be slightly different. 

 

However, the theory behind it is the same.  If you object to immunizing your children on the grounds of conscientious objection (as opposed to you are too lazy to get your children immunized or you forgot etc.) it means you have made a reasoned and conscientious decision not to do so (this also includes religious reasons etc.), and so you should be allowed an exemption with a doctors signature.  The doctor is only signing on that he/she has conselled you on the risks of not immunizing so you are fully aware of them, not that he or she agrees with your position.  This form can then be sent to insurance companies to cover schools or child care centers from being sued.

 

You'll have to do some research on it in your country, but it won't be hard for you to find if you search under 'conscientious objector'.

 

Hope this points you in the right direction (and at least you are doing it in an upfront and honest way and not being forced into forging documents just to uphold your consitutional rights.)

post #120 of 139

Jajay, thank you for your post.

Here in the US, vaccine laws vary by state. The "Conscientous Objector" form is for military service, not for vaccination.  Some states do have laws allowing for "philosophical objections," but some states do not. 

Moreover, some policy-drivers such as Dorit Reiss, Art Caplan, and Paul Offit are campaigning hard to eliminate all exemptions (even religious and medical); they are also attempting to legislate the ability to sue the unvaccinated if someone comes down with a vaccine-available disease.


It's getting very, very ugly here, but most people here are blissfully unaware--until it affects them directly.

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