How to fake a vaccination record? - Page 4

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by chickabiddy 

Autism predates vaccines, significantly.  The word originated in 1908 and symptoms have been described throughout history.

The symptoms were described in children with acrodynia: http://www.safeminds.org/news/documents/Acrodynia%20comparison%20combined.pdf

Acrodynia, also called "Pink Disease," was later traced to the calomel (mercury choloride) used in teething powers at the time; it was mercury poisoning.

And isn't it fascinating that children with a family history of acrodynia are at significant risk for developing autism?

http://www.sciencealert.com.au/news/20110908-22477.html

A family history of pink disease is a significant risk factor for developing autism spectrum disorder (ASD), new research from Swinburne University of Technology has found.

[threenorns]

i have asperger's - was it caused by an adverse reaction?  not a clue bec i was very very sickly as an infant (at one year, i had gained only 2lbs over my recorded birth weight which was actually done when i was 2wks old).

my oldest and my youngest have asperger's - yes, they had adverse vaccine reactions.

but i also know someone who is a very very crunchy granola tree-hugger - she does the whole organic/chemical-free thing to the extent that *nothing* she feeds her kids comes out of a packet or can; it's all fresh out of the garden or frozen from local sources:  out of her 7 children, 3 are vaccinated - one of them has classic autism; 2 are partically vaccinated - they're fine; and 2 are not vaccinated - one has asperger's.

nikolai tesla - *classic* case of asperger's syndrome.  the only vaccine they had back then was smallpox and it was not at all related to the ones we get today.

mozart - asperger's.

george washington and michaelangelo?  asperger's too.

basically, anybody who was ever anybody was probably not neurotypical which is why they were able to come up with amazing advances that required "outside the box" thinking and the ability to kick over socially-dictated norms.

[Taximom5]

Well, I suppose if you have mercury poisoning or some other heavy metal poisoning that affects some areas of the brain, other areas of the brain will compensate to some extent. Then, those areas would be much more highly developed.

Vaccines are not the only source of heavy metal poisoning--just the most common one.

[Mosaic]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

Vaccines are not the only source of heavy metal poisoning--just the most common one.

I think I'm misreading what you're saying, because that's not true. I'm pretty sure that lead poisoning is the most common heavy metal poisoning, followed by mercury and arsenic, and vaccines are not the #1 source for any of those.

Regardless, the OP hasn't been on MDC in 3.5 months, and this thread isn't about vaccination records anymore. If you'd like to discuss these or any of the other issues that have sprung up, how about starting spin-off (s)?? We're working on the Vaccine board reorganization, and this forum won't be open for debate anymore anyway.

[pek64]

Originally Posted by threenorns 

i have asperger's - was it caused by an adverse reaction?  not a clue bec i was very very sickly as an infant (at one year, i had gained only 2lbs over my recorded birth weight which was actually done when i was 2wks old).


my oldest and my youngest have asperger's - yes, they had adverse vaccine reactions.


but i also know someone who is a very very crunchy granola tree-hugger - she does the whole organic/chemical-free thing to the extent that *nothing* she feeds her kids comes out of a packet or can; it's all fresh out of the garden or frozen from local sources:  out of her 7 children, 3 are vaccinated - one of them has classic autism; 2 are partically vaccinated - they're fine; and 2 are not vaccinated - one has asperger's.


nikolai tesla - *classic* case of asperger's syndrome.  the only vaccine they had back then was smallpox and it was not at all related to the ones we get today.


mozart - asperger's.


george washington and michaelangelo?  asperger's too.


basically, anybody who was ever anybody was probably not neurotypical which is why they were able to come up with amazing advances that required "outside the box" thinking and the ability to kick over socially-dictated norms.

How can historical figures be positively diagnosed? There always seems to be assumptions and guesses being stated as facts.

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Mosaic 

I think I'm misreading what you're saying, because that's not true. I'm pretty sure that lead poisoning is the most common heavy metal poisoning, followed by mercury and arsenic, and vaccines are not the #1 source for any of those.
Regardless, the OP hasn't been on MDC in 3.5 months, and this thread isn't about vaccination records anymore. If you'd like to discuss these or any of the other issues that have sprung up, how about starting spin-off (s)?? We're working on the Vaccine board reorganization, and this forum won't be open for debate anymore anyway.

You're right.  But the mercury that is still in some vaccines can magnify the effect of lead poisoning:

Mercury and lead are extremely neurotoxic and cytotoxic, but their combined synergistic effect is much worse(1,4). A dose of mercury sufficient to kill 1% of tested rats, when combined with a dose of lead sufficient to kill less than 1% of rats, resulted in killing 100 % of rats tested(1a,4). Thus with combined exposure the safe dose is 1/100 as much as the dose individually. Studies in Australia have confirmed similar relationships hold for people(6). This means most people in the U.S. are getting dangerous levels of these metals, enough to cause some neurologic effects.

Any child that is lead toxic or has a burden of lead will be much more susceptible to mercury toxicity than one who is totally free of lead. Again, that’s something that’s been known for 30 or more years.

- Boyd Haley, PhD

I wonder if the same holds true for the combination of aluminum and lead.

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by pek64 


How can historical figures be positively diagnosed? There always seems to be assumptions and guesses being stated as facts.

They can't be positively diagnosed.  You are correct.  They are assumptions and guesses.  If we're going there, we can assume and guess that mercury poisoning may have played a role.  There's no assumption of where the phrase "mad as a hatter" came from; that "madness" has been established as mercury poisoning.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_as_a_hatter:

""Mad as a hatter" is a colloquial phrase used in conversation to refer to a crazy person. In 18th and 19th century England mercury was used in the production of felt, which was used in the manufacturing of hats common of the time. People who worked in these hat factories were exposed daily to trace amounts of the metal, which accumulated within their bodies over time, causing some workers to develop dementia caused by mercury poisoning. Thus the phrase "Mad as a Hatter" became popular as a way to refer to someone who was perceived as insane."

Apparently, absorbing mercury through the skin can result in "Korsakoff syndrome:" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korsakoff%27s_syndrome and ^ ATSDR. 1999. Toxicological Profile for Mercury. Atlanta, GA:Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry.http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp46.pdf

[pek64]

I don't think assumptions or guesses make for a very convincing debate. We shoule stick to verifiable information. Let the dead rest in peace, and leave them out of these debates!

[Chicharronita]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 


It's VERY different in the US.
In at least 2 states, the only possible exemptions are medical ones--and many parents of vaccine-injured children are reporting that they are unable to obtain medical exemptions for siblings of vaccine-injured children, and in many cases, for the vaccine-injured children themselves!

Some states are ceasing to accept philosophical exemptions and those that accept religious exemptions are making them next to impossible to obtain.

I worry about the possibility of future forced vaccinations.

Last year I went to a talk given by one of the Vaccine Epidemic authors Louise Habakus, and she speculated about such a future and said we'd have to find work-around solutions. Perhaps getting a fake vaccine record would be one of them. I know two doctors who would be willing to do it, but they are getting older. 

[Rrrrrachel]

It seems like it would be easier for those doctors to just give you a medical exemption rather than both of you committing fraud.

[BeckyBird]

What will happen to a doctor who hands out too many medical exemptions?

[Rrrrrachel]

Uh, what will happen to the doctor who's caught helping people commit fraud?

[BeckyBird]

He or she will be punished, since fraud is a punishable offense,  but that was not my question. I already know what will happen to a doctor who commits fraud.

My question, Again: What will happen to a doctor who hands out too many medical exemptions? I would like to know what others think.

[Rrrrrachel]

I don't know, I guess what's too many?  I was just offering it as a better option than, you know, a crime.

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

I don't know, I guess what's too many?  I was just offering it as a better option than, you know, a crime.

The PP that you were responding to was talking about a hypothetical future of forced vaccinations.  Accusing a poster of a crime when the subject was hypothetical is inappropriate.  

[Rrrrrachel]

What in the world. I wasn't accusing anyone of anything.

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by BeckyBird 

He or she will be punished, since fraud is a punishable offense,  but that was not my question. I already know what will happen to a doctor who commits fraud.

My question, Again: What will happen to a doctor who hands out too many medical exemptions? I would like to know what others think.

I think they could ultimately be questioned on why they give out more medical exemptions than the norm.  I don't know that anything will go beyond questioning and a lot of bureaucratic paper filling out to justify your exemptions, but I could be wrong!

a high rate of medical exemptions would be excusable if their speciality (say oncology) means their patients should not receive vaccines; it is less likely to be well received if  they do not have very firm medical grounds for excess exemptions.  My 

Of course, regulating bodies would have to work pretty closely with doctors for this to happen - I am not sure I have ever heard of a case where a doctor got in trouble for too many medical exemptions.

Some doctors will not appreciate having their medical exemptions questioned.

[Rrrrrachel]

It seems like doctors have a lot of latitude. If there's even half as much convincing evidence tht vaccines aren't safe or effective as there is generally presented to be here, it seems like justifying the exemption shouldn't be a problem. Certainly finding a sympathetic doctor could be a challenge, but I think doable in most areas.

[kathymuggle]

I don't understand your point, Rachel.

I expect most doctors would only grant a medical exemption if they meet whatever grounds there are for a medical exemption.

Are you suggesting people should keep looking around for a medical exemption when they probably do not qualify? 

Here is a table on contra-indications:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/vac-admin/contraindications-vacc.htm

[Rrrrrachel]

I'm saying if you feel like vaccines are harmful to your child's health you should look for a doctor who supports that and will give you a medical exemption.