How to fake a vaccination record? - Page 5

[nia82]

It is getting increasingly harder in many states to obtain an exemption. Mandatory vaccination in the first place is wrong on so many levels. Calling faking a vaccine record a crime is extreme. Parents do have to do what it takes to protect their children from harm, and if it involves working around an extreme and oppressive law. Yes, it is oppressive being forced to vaccinate your children. And I'm someone who sticks to all laws. I go 35 in a 35 zone. I always use my turn light. Most people don't - so "breaking" a law is usually offensive to me, but if complying with an oppressive law means I have to endanger my children - no way. Luckily it hasn't come so far yet. We also are lucky enough to being able to choose where we go next year. Most other families do not have a choice though and they are being forced into submitting to something that they do not want and deem dangerous. That is just wrong.

To offer perspective, I still can't wrap my head around those oppressive laws here in the US (supposedly land of the free, but I guess not vaccine choice wise). I can call it quits on this country if I have to and go back home where no mandatory laws exist nor are they pondered. Whenever I tell my vaccinating, selectively vaccinating and non-vaccinating friends back home about those vaccine school laws here they scratch their head and find them offensive and crazy.

(I am a selective vaxer; and I respect parents whether they vaccinate or not; I DO believe everyone should have the CHOICE).

[Rrrrrachel]

I believe people DO have a choice. Faking a vaccine record is a crime. That's not extreme it's a fact. It's called fraud. There are ways to avoid vaccinating your child without committing a crime.

[Rrrrrachel]

Not to mention its shooting yourself in the foot. It's become harder to get religious exemptions in various states as a direct result of people abusing them and using them fraudulently. If you want an exemption for health reasons, get a medical exemption. Find a doctor who will listen to you. If you want to avoid vaccines and can't get an exemption, start coming up with some creative solutions to the child care dilemma. We all had to take care of our kids or find someone to take care of our kids while we worked the first 5-6 years of their lives. Somehow we muddled through. Get together with some other parents in your community and start a homeschool cooperative, or trade child care, or one of dozens of other things I haven't even thought of. Take that same attitude of "oh hell no if it hurts my kid" and redirect it into finding an actual solution, instead of trying to cheat the system, which will in turn just become more restrictive and more difficult to game.

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

I believe people DO have a choice. Faking a vaccine record is a crime. That's not extreme it's a fact. It's called fraud. There are ways to avoid vaccinating your child without committing a crime.

Not always.

Quite frankly, neither you, I, or anyone else on the internet can judge whether or not a person can get a exemption.  It is pretty assumptive to think everyone can get an exemption.  

The ease of exemption getting is very much a local issue.

[Rrrrrachel]

Sure it is, but anything to protect your kids, right? Even if it's not easy?

[Rrrrrachel]

And exemptions are not the only way to avoid vaccinating. Everyone has choices. They're not always the most convenient one but they're there.

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Not to mention its shooting yourself in the foot. It's become harder to get religious exemptions in various states as a direct result of people abusing them and using them fraudulently. 

This, IMHO opinion is a total load of crap.  It is becoming harder to get religious exemptions as those in power want everyone to vax - making religious exemptions harder to get is the easiest way to do it.  It has nothing to do with "medical fraud."

How many doctors have been charged with medical fraud over exemptions?  Parents?  I am imagining the number is close to none.  It is not an emerging problem - it is an excuse used by pro-vax forces.  

[Rrrrrachel]

I keep forgetting what forum this is in. I'm going to back away.

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Sure it is, but anything to protect your kids, right? Even if it's not easy?

Correct - which may include breaking the law in the rare instance someone feels it is the only option. 

Edited by kathymuggle - 11/16/12 at 8:00am

[TabithaB]

Wow.  this all went seriously off topic.

[Rrrrrachel]

Yeah sorry for my role in that.

[BeckyBird]

I like when threads go off topic. It's no fun to be boxed in!

[Chloebelle]

I'm late to the party, but I totally get why the OP asked this question. It is so beyond sad that we don't even have the freedoms to make these important decisions for our OWN children in what is supposed to be a free country, and that we have to resort to this kind of thinking just to allow our children to go to school. I personally don't agree with faking documents, but I'm also very blessed to live in Canada, so I don't have to face these challenges. My heart goes out to you.

I really love this forum and that we non-vaccers have a place to come and support each other. I haven't been on much lately, because I really resent that so many of you pro-vaccers feel the need to come here and ruin the experience. Don't you people have anything better to do? Seriously, I would never even think of posting on a board that had nothing to do with me or my beliefs. I get that you disagree with our stance on vaccinations, but bite your tongue and move on...or better yet, don't read it in the first place.

[tonttu]

Originally Posted by nia82 

Parents do have to do what it takes to protect their children from harm, 

Oh , so you are just going to put other kids at risk ?

[Minerva23]

Originally Posted by tonttu 

Oh , so you are just going to put other kids at risk ?

Risk of what? Vaxxed kids are already 100% protected right? So what are they afraid of? And those who cannot get vaxxed due to medical reasons? Well, I guess we cannot protect everybody!

[BeckyBird]

Originally Posted by tonttu 

Oh , so you are just going to put other kids at risk ?

This is the "I'm Not Vaccinating" section.

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by tonttu 

Oh , so you are just going to put other kids at risk ?

I have reported your incredibly offensive post.  This is the "I'm Not Vaccinating" forum, and comments like yours violate the UA.

[Rrrrrachel]

And even if it wasn't the Im not vaccinating forum that comment is nothing but stirring the pot.

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by tonttu 

Originally Posted by nia82 

Parents do have to do what it takes to protect their children from harm, 

Oh , so you are just going to put other kids at risk ?

Oops, wrong forum.

ETA: I see you all had it covered before me.

[Mosaic]

Yup, tonttu, edit your post to remove that comment or I'll delete it for you. It is against both the INV and the overall Vax forum guidelines.

Thanks to those of you who are reigning it in, thinking twice, and editing without me saying anything, in this thread and others. It hasn't gone unnoticed and is much appreciated!