besides mercury... what other reasons for not-vaxxing do you have?

[Aura_Kitten]

i only really know about mercury being the big reason why a lot of parents (ones i know anyway) have refused vaccinations for their children...

but what are the other issues or factors that made you decide to not vax?

[KatSG]

My main concern is the link between vaccinations and autoimmune disorders. My family has a history of celiac disease and I don't feel like there's enough information out there that tells me what the risks are when a baby has this pre-existing condition.

The second thing I worry about is overwhelming the baby's immune system and causing damage. If we ever do vax, we will always break up the shots, make sure *everyone* in the household is good and healthy.

[applejuice]

Father was a quackerpractor;

I was really healthier than my vaxed peers, although I did get measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, before the vaccines were available. I did get pertussis at age six however.

Sibs were not vaxed. No asthma, no allergies to speak of in family.

My Aunt told me of the time she passed out from shock from a smallpox vax in the 1920's (anaphylaxis?). She said she did not feel well for a very long time after that.

I did not vax my own children because I was not vaxed and I was still healthy - also infomation was starting to break in 1980 ala Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, 60 Minutes, and other documentaries at the time that vaccinating was not all it had been cooked up to be.

I have always privately had the suspicion that ALL autoimmune diseases, most allergies, most childhood cancers, and most cases of SIDS are side-effects of mass-vaccinating children. Now there is quite a bit of evidence to support these suspicions of mine.

Remember that the "experts" used to tell people the Earth is flat despite all of the evidence to the contrary.

[Aura_Kitten]

thanks.

i'm revisiting the idea of vaxxing... and wasn't quite sure of the reasons why anyone would choose *not* to vax, besides mercury and the "small risk" of allergic reactions...

i just read through the archive on this (the Other vax info).

[gilnikche]

Check out these threads too:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...threadid=36256

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...threadid=51845

[saintmom]

I had to learn the hard way that vaxing can be dangerous for ones children!3 of our older six children all reacted strongly to the dpt vax.Our ped at the time felt that was enough of an indication to switch to the dt.The new ped we had with ds no 6 never read the records from the previous ped or gave any credence to my observations about his reaction-went on and gave him the 3rd round of shots.He had a seizure within the hour.He's subsequently gone on to develpo atypical seizures.the neurologist he sees is baffled,hasn't put him on seizure meds as he's only having 2 or 3 a year.I feel really,really guilty.So to cut along story short ou new dd isn't getting ANY vaxes!

[Linda in OZ]

I too learnt through experience what damage they can do. both boys suffered reactions after their 1st lot on needles, due to my ignorance fortunately with the help of a homeopath they are both fine now. so I started researching and there will be no more vaccinations for our family.

[suschi]

Vaccines still contain aluminum, a neurotoxin.

This in injected repeatedly into infants, many times in their first six months of life.

Is it just a coincidence that the MAJORITY of SIDS cases are in that EXACT time frame?

Not one long term study has been done on the effects of giving a child up to 40 + doses of vaccines by age 5.

The immune system is not very well undestood, so the vaccine program is basically one giant experiement in progress.

It took 30 years to see some of the long term impacts of giving the MMR vaccine,

it was found that vaccinated mothers were not able to protect their infant as well as the unvaccinated, putting their babies at risk for measles at a time when the baby would be more at risk for complications.

What will the answer be? To give the vaccine at an even younger age.

When the rate of circulation virus is reduced, many lose out on the exposure that offers a "natural booster" against disease. This is also causing some to lose their protection and become vulnerable.

It's been found that children who get chickenpox <18 mos are more at risk for a repeat case, yet they routinely give the vaccine at 12-15 months.

I don't have the time to list all the concerns I have after 5 years of research, but I tried to highlight some off the top of my head.

[Sasha_girl]

I have more faith in the human immune system than the medical establishment does.

[momto l&a]

My main reason is children of today seem to have many more health problems then they ever have, makes me think it all in the vaccines.


God gave us good immune ststems for a reason.


Also the use of aborted babies being used in the production of some vaccines is

[DesireeH]

The main reason that got me looking into vax info was when I was pregnant....a friend of mine had 2 kids DIE......of vaccine related reactions.....her other 2 non vaxed children are fine......so that was the main thing that got me looking into it........then once I started reading.....all the risks came flooding out, SV 40 thing scared me........if they knew what was in them then and handed them out anyways........how do we know they arent doing the same thing now? Also....the toxins.....I believe they are a huge burden on immune systems....I think when kept healthy and toxin free, they will do their job.......so we catch measles.......I will take that over cancer anyday.

[mom2tig99Nroo03]

even if all mercury were removed, there is enough other crap in them to make one think twice.

[pilesoflaundry]

One of my kids' had a few reactions and I have arthritis that is more than likely from an mmr booster I had as an adolescent. That is what started me looking and then I realized all the crap they put in vaccines and how they don't always work. So now we don't vax anymore.

[Gitti]

Originally posted by applejuice
I have always privately had the suspicion that ALL autoimmune diseases, most allergies, most childhood cancers, and most cases of SIDS are side-effects of mass-vaccinating children.

Through all the books I have read, all the web sites I have scoured, and the countless hours I have spent researching the subject within the last six months, I've came to believe that your suspicions are right.

No doctor, pediatrician or any one else will ever scrutinize this issue the way a parent (or grandparent) - who wants to protect his offspring - does.

[menudo]

Mercury was not one of my first reasons for looking int ovaxes and why they may not be a good idea! I blindly vaxe DD one and she i have an autoimmune disease alreay...plus lotsa other stuff. A lightbulb came on with DS an I began t oread-ALOT...and my reasons for not vaxing are numerous....

ODDLY, a friend of mine quit vaxing her kis and is researching (DS has autism). She is proud to be NON VAX, very coacl. Yet she took her dog to the vet and "got all his shots". I said "WTF?" and realized it hasn't all clicked yet. Whe nI responded in shock something tells me a lightbulb clicked...

[Aura_Kitten]

OT ~ SIDS has also been linked to the toxins used in modern synthetic bedding...

does anyone have any statistcs relating to how many people who have been vaccinated have contracted the diseases they were vaxxed against?

[Mumum]

SOOO confused

We just had the most awful (and I mean awful!)stomach flu run through our house, which then spread to 15 others (all that were present) at a birthday party for 85-year-old Nana, all originating from our daughter who was not yet showing symptoms but was obviously contagious. I was quite puzzled as to where we got this cootie. We did visit a few friends the day before our boy got sick(who was the first to suffer - him and I stayed home from the party), and then groceries the day of (but he did not have contact with anybody that day). I spoke to everyone we saw but noone else had this bug. Anyways, it scared me at how contagious this bug was, and started me thinking about the diseases we vaccinate against. I have been avoiding any shots because they scare me, but the thought of highly contagious diseases also scares me, especially after seeing how quickly and easily this bug travelled. I have a lot of faith in our immune systems, but is that enough? I used to think so. AHHHHHH!

[Tracy]

I have been avoiding any shots because they scare me, but the thought of highly contagious diseases also scares me, especially after seeing how quickly and easily this bug travelled. I have a lot of faith in our immune systems, but is that enough? I used to think so. AHHHHHH!

this may be of interest...


This is one of the hardest to find pages at the cdc… the way that I actually found this page was by accident. I had called the CDC to find out about hib cases and I got a doctor and he sent me to this page…

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html

if you download the current issue it gives you the most uptodate stat that the cdc has on the reportable diseases by the way, the stats are at the end of the document. Anyway, I would start there first.


But just to give you an idea:
Here are the hard numbers for 2003. This is what I found for the last week of the year..... this is the total amount of cases reported to the CDC for 2003.....

Total reported cases to the cdc:

Disease Cases

Diptheria 1
Measles 41
Mumps 186
Rubella 7
Congenital rubella 0
Tetanus 14
Hib (under 5)
Sero b-20
Non sero b-80
Unknown b-178


Out of a population of 280 million people in the united states!!

If you check it now, you will see the number of cases for the year as of now (well to be specific as of last Friday..they update the list on Fridays or weekends-from what I can tell).

Remember it is a cumulative list... it is not that many cases per week. It's the year to date.

I will say that critics of the CDC will say that the numbers don't reflect all the cases since sometimes the cases are so mild they don't even get reported or people don't even go to the doctors because the symptoms are so manageable.

[Aura_Kitten]

We just had the most awful (and I mean awful!)stomach flu run through our house, which then spread to 15 others (all that were present) at a birthday party for 85-year-old Nana, all originating from our daughter who was not yet showing symptoms but was obviously contagious.

... but i bet everyone that got through that flu has a pretty strong immunity to it now. ( i HATE the stomach flu!!!! our home + community were ravaged by a terrible strain in January... ugggghhhhh )

[thepeach80]

My ds and dh just had that flu too, it was bad! I must have a great immune system b/c I totally missed it. The thing is, there are several diseases we vax for that if caught, aren't even as bad as that flu. That's one reason I don't vax, I've read up on those diseases and very rarely do most of them have lasting effects. I would rather give my child the chance to have lifetime immunity instead of having to get some shot every 10 yrs or so to keep it or worry about him getting them as adults when they are more serious. I'm opposed to the aborted fetal tissue that is used in the production of some vaxes. My ds reacted to his 2 mos shots and his DR wouldn't listen. I've come to realize this happens far more often than I or most other people realize. I'm terrified of all the things in those shots and the long term effects that have been recorded b/c of them. I'm sure the list could go on!