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post #41 of 47

I was just thinking about this thread again. Retail hours are much more compatible with our family's lifestyle than the school hours gig. Many stores (like at the malls such as Gap, etc) open at 10am and close at 9pm. That's closer to our natural rhythm than getting up at 6am and eating supper at 5pm. 

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Are you talking about year round schools? I know for me high school was 7:45-2:45. For my son it is 8-3. It does seem a bit much to me. There are no minimum days at all.

 

Your school day is 7 hours. That seems long to me because I'm used to school days that are closer to 6 hours. That's why I speculated that the pp's 7:25 start would result in a 1:25 dismissal. (And no, not year-round schools). Even with a 2:25 dismissal, that's still a challenge for working parents to arrange care for most of the afternoon, since most workplaces end the work day closer to 5 pm. Not a big deal for teens, but significant for younger students. I think this is all OT, though, since my guess that school bus schedules are part of the issue for setting school timetables hasn't been confirmed. 

post #43 of 47

I believe high school here runs from 7:25-2:10 with 30 minutes for lunch. If a school had a longer lunch period, the day would probably be longer so the required number of instructional hours were being met. Maybe the goal is 6 hours not counting lunch and homeroom?

 

The middle school starts next and the elementary school starts the latest. The staggered starting times is so the same buses can drive all the kids, of course.

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 For my son it is 8-3. It does seem a bit much to me. There are no minimum days at all.

is this middle school? do they get an hour lunch and longer breaks? maybe that's why the school day is long. in our area its only in elementary school that lunch is 45 mins to an hour. from middle to high school lunch is half and hour with one ten minute break in the morning and 4 mins between each class.

 

dd is a  happy camper. due to budget cuts and other reasons her elementary school just cut out half an hour from the day. 

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is this middle school? do they get an hour lunch and longer breaks? maybe that's why the school day is long. in our area its only in elementary school that lunch is 45 mins to an hour. from middle to high school lunch is half and hour with one ten minute break in the morning and 4 mins between each class.


This is high school. And he only has one 10 minute break and then a 40 minute lunch break. The elementary school is 8:30-3.

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Your school day is 7 hours. That seems long to me because I'm used to school days that are closer to 6 hours. That's why I speculated that the pp's 7:25 start would result in a 1:25 dismissal. (And no, not year-round schools). 

It seems long to me too. We are in CA. Maybe that's just typical of the schools here. And like I said, my high school (also here) was 7:45-2:45 with the same breaks as my son's.

post #46 of 47
Our district went to later starts for middle and high school about five years ago. There's lots of evidence that it improves attendance an test scores, lowers truancy and behavior issues. Side effect for home life is that with less unsupervised time it also appears to lower pregnancy rates in some communities.

My kids aren't to high school yet, though my oldest is in middle school. So my kids have not moved to later rising. They both are up with th birds, and always have been. I've had people suggest I keep them up later so they would sleep later, but that never worked. They might sleep 30 minutes longer if kept up several hours late, but they would also be cranky and emotionally fragile. They really need a solid 9-10 hours of sleep most nights; when they get up at 6am, that means bed between 8 and 9, ideally. And that's for upper elementary. Through about 2nd grade, they did best with 8pm as the latest time we would aim for.

While I know that averages are averages and every kid is different, I suspect that there are huge numbers of children who are very, very sleep deprived, most of whom have parents who say "well, my kid is different! S/he just doesn't need much sleep at all!". Then they usually list a bunch of behavioral symptoms of sleep deficit and call them evidence that the kid doesn't need or want to sleep.

Given the growing body of evidence on the role of sleep in hormone production, particularly growth and appetite control hormones, I wonder what role chronic sleep deprivation has in things like the rise of childhood obesity, diabetes, etc.
post #47 of 47
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This is high school. And he only has one 10 minute break and then a 40 minute lunch break. The elementary school is 8:30-3.

It seems long to me too. We are in CA. Maybe that's just typical of the schools here. And like I said, my high school (also here) was 7:45-2:45 with the same breaks as my son's.

So that comes to 6 hours of instruction time subtracting the break, lunch, and 10 more minutes likely spent moving from class to class. Our high school does not have a 10 minute break and has only 30 minutes for lunch so the day is a little shorter. 

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