That is precisely what I've been trying to say!
cait - I'm glad this were better this month! Let's hope that means this cycle will be the one!
skj - I've heard so many people say they've gotten pregnant after the saline u/s, so who knows, it could be lucky for you! Like you said, it could have swept out all the 'cobwebbs'.
jukim - congrats! Thansk for the good thoughts for us all.
dakipode - feel free to drop in any time you need to. I hope things go well for you!
sourire - I'm hoping so too, but I'm frustrated that they haven't called to book it yet.
I'm sorry you have a deadline coming up too. I hate that this fertility stuff is making your anniversary anything but a happy time.
I'm glad you were able to enjoy the trip and spending time with your new niece. What is with us being pregnant lady magnets though? It's so unfair!
The story about your dad is hilarious. It's good you got a BD session in though!
I'm sorry things are so rough right now. I'm thinking of you
kparker - thank you for the good thoughts!
lilacvioletiris - I'm so sorry AF showed up. I was really hoping you'd start a BFP trend. Gentle hugs to you.
teresaresa - Thank you! I'm pretty sure it's just another bump in the road, nothing too serious.
I haven't been keeping up with the IVF thread. I'm so very sorry about the miscarriage. That is heartbreaking, especially after all you have been through. I hope your new RE's office fits your needs better. We'll all be cheering for you too.
krunchy k - thanks for sharing the book recommendation. I think I may pick up a copy too.
milk - oh that must be so hard to deal with! Hopefully soon you'll be right there with her talking weddings and all that fun stuff.
Hurray for O! I'm sorry about your kidney results though. I hope your U/S goes well!
silamarila - I'm glad you had a much more relaxed month. O'ing on your own is a great sign. I hope that means it does happen without the treatments.
monkey - thank you. I was/am nervous about the results, but I think everything will end up okay. Hopefully I can have the MRI soon. My RE said that I may still have PCOS even though there are much less cysts on my ovaries and my AMH levels are so low, but she is most concerned about the AMH levels. I don't really think she is concerned with the PCOS label either way, just getting things to work.
Wow, almost 40 weeks! I'm going to be stalking you forsure. I'm thinking good thoughts for your labour and delivery.
Mensch - I am so happy for your BFP and I do wish you lots of sticky baby dust and hope that things go very well for you, but I do hope you can see where Sourire is coming from. Of course everyone is welcome here, but the way you approached this thread can be seen as a little hurtful. If you had come in and said it in a "I struggled for so long and finally got my BFP, I wanted to share to give you ladies hope" kind of way, shared more of your story, mentioned that you had been following the thread but hadn't been able to post until now, or even introduced yourself or said hi, that would have been great. I'm so glad you started your other thread because I think many women will find it helpful, and I agree with your stance on ultrasounds, but in this thread none of us are there yet. We are still at the hard part of wondering if we will ever get that BFP, and even thinking about those things can be hard. I understand the need for a discussion forum, and I really do understand not wanting to join the graduates thread just yet, but the ladies there really can relate to what you're going through better than we can since some of them are in the same place you are. Of course you are welcome to stay here and share your journey and experiences, but I do hope you can understand that a lot of us in this thread really do appreciate when those who have gotten their BFP mostly post about pregnancy related things in the graduates thread because some days some of us here just cannot handle those pregnancy posts. I hope nothing I've said has offended you.
AFM - beta test tomorrow. I am terrified and I am really not handling it well. I am feeling this need to get up and MOVE, but DH is not feeling great and wants to lounge around today, which I understand, but it's not helping either.
No, I'd just assumed that you were actually in the process of having a miscarriage because you mentioned sitting in a pool of blood, and that was the only excuse that made sense to me for your behavior. Check out the discussions on that 'graduates' forum, which I hadn't heard of until you'd mentioned it. Those women all have due dates and large bellies. They are seeing midwives and obstetricians. They didn't get a positive hcg last week.
Jeez, though. I suppose that I can certainly live without this thread. Although I have no interest in the one either.
You all have really defined this thread too narrowly. If people are doing their 2ww's here, if they are getting their betas, etc. They shouldn't be jumping directly into some "graduates" forum. On other infertility forums that is not the case. And if you go to a fertility clinic, we are all still sitting in the same waiting room, still getting blood tests.
I personally, find transitional periods to be the most difficult. If things go smoothly, I also don't see myself posting any baby bumps to a 'graduates' forum. Why the heck would I want to do that? For a 40 year old woman there's something like a 25% chance that a bfp will end up as a tubal or chemical pregnancy, or will just never have a heart beat. And in other forums I've followed, those women are all still very active in the same threads where women are ttc. They're not being banned to a 'graduates' forum.
But if you comforted by the logic of this, so be it.
Mensch - I'm sorry you're feeling the way you are. Nobody is banning you or trying to tell you that you are not welcome. Everyone is welcome to post here, of course, and if you would like to you can keep posting. The ladies here are very supportive. I was really just trying to explain the reaction you got after your initial post. Admittedly, I haven't been to the graduate's thread in months because it has been too hard for me so I didn't realize there were only heavily pregnant women posting there.
As for posting to the graduates forum when things are going well, a lot of the women who post there have built up long term relationships with the other women on the thread. That's how they keep in touch with each other.
Ok I promise to stop acting like a crazy person now! I'd like to apologize to everyone for creating an unpleasant environment around here, and especially to Mensch for being so mean. You did not deserve that.
teresa - I followed your entire journey on the IVF thread and I'm really really sorry how things ended. I was thinking about you and wishing things would work out for you the entire time. I'll be glad to have you around again (even though I wish you were on the grads side instead), you've always been such a great cheerleader to the rest of us. I'm really hoping the new RE works out for you!
SKJ - yeah I also had some pretty crazy temps when I took Clomid. That's too bad about your clinic getting hung up on the fact that Femara is off-label for infertility. I've never heard of another clinic having an issue with that before!
Krunchy - Hi! I hope you're doing ok. I still stalk your blog every once in a while!
Milkshake - how convenient that you stumbled upon the ring! Hehe! Maybe he's planning to wait for the big party? Urg about your kidney... not fun!
Sila - welcome back! Congrats on Oing!!! Sounds like you have some serious decisions to make.
Monkey - wow you're so close! Unbelievable!
shesaidboom - wow I could sure learn a lot about diplomacy from you. You're my hero! My fingers are crossed for your beta tomorrow... you have so much riding on this, it must be terrifying!
Mensch - I'm really sorry you ended up being the target of my anger. It wasn't anything personal I swear. Honestly now that I've read your whole story, I think you deserve a lot of hugs for going through so much. On the other hand your story scares the crap out of me because we both had the exact same beginning: I too started TTC at age 28 and I have endometriosis. I'm only 2 years in, but I've always imagined that by the time I'm your age I'd have 3 kids and never have to think about about TTC again. If I thought I might follow the same path you have, I'd probably go crazy (oh wait! I already have! haha) Best wishes to you and I really hope you end up with your take-home baby this time.
Mensch - I have to say that I read your post last night, and found it to be incredibly upsetting. I thought that I would go away, and come back to it in the morning.
I actually thought to myself - who is this person, talking about their betas? Why don't I recognise their user name. I even had that thought that it was an existing member who had changed usernames, because the post was so blase. I then went and read your other posts, and realised that you were a totally new member. Of course I also read your story, and can see that you have had a very difficult time. I haven't been through IVF myself, but I have been through five pregnancies, and five losses. I know that early pregnancy is a difficult time, and I have also felt like moving to the graduates is a difficult thing. Often our existing members will waver between the two threads until such time as they feel comfortable moving to the grads. And we all support that.
However, the way that you posted, and the way that you suggested that women in an infertility thread might have input on "natural pregnancies" (when they have, as yet, failed to achieve ANY pregnancy) is pretty inconsiderate. It's difficult to be supportive of someone who shows little or no support of the ones they expect support of. Presumably after your journey, you realise that pregnancy announcements can get the best of us. This is a great bunch, and if you wish to be a part of it, until you find your place, I think you will find that. Keeping the in your face pregnancy stuff to a minimum will probably help though.
Also, you probably won't get much (if any) response to a pregnancy thread (your other thread) in an infertility forum. You might want to think about requesting it be moved to the "I'm Pregnant" forum.
Ok, very exclusive group. In online forums people usually come and go. They're supposed to function as an anonymous space where people can find support without judgement. Many of you are within a week or so of where I am. Perhaps infertility forums for folks who have gone through multiple rounds of ivf / fet / etc are more mixed / less closed, for whatever reason. People pop in to share their worries and announce their joys and failures, even if briefly. And ivf/fet patients are at high risk for not having a clinical pregnancy after having a bfp, so perhaps that is the difference. No idea. I checked and this thread is only a week old, so you all have become exclusive fairly quickly. So, in other words, if I'd joined in a week ago and started out by telling you that I've gone through 12 years of infertility treatment w/o insurance ... than it would be dandy. But since it's a week later, screw me.
I will not check further updates. One final note though -- you might want to change the title of your thread - "August 2012 - Bring on those Late Summer BFPs". Most threads with a title like that are very open to people announcing bfps. In fact, that is supposed to be the goal!
Mensch00 - I'm former member here. I think you miss-understood the thread. Some of those women have been on this thread together for years, so yes they are very close. It's meant to be a thread to support women as they are trying to get pregnant...in the past few months they have made several posts about how even seeing a pregnant woman is upsetting to them (I don't think you could have known this.)
It's not really meant to be a place for random BFP posts and that's why you struck a nerve. Even though I still check up on them I rarely post because I know that having a pregnant lady weighing in can be upsetting for them. I just cheer them on silently.
I'm sorry you feel like you couldn't join the graduates thread with a bunch of "heavily" pregnant women. While most of us are in the 2nd or 3rd trimester it's doesn't mean that we don't remember what the first few weeks of pregnancy are like! Two of us are in our mid 30's and have 4 four year old little boys.
I would also tell you that the ladies on Infertility forum know very little about Betas and the like because all they can focus on is getting to that point.
I think if you came and posted in the infertility graduates thread you would find support for where you are right now from women who have been close to where you are.
Wissa, you hit the nail on the head. It's nice to see you, by the way! Another note is that these "Infertility One Thread" threads are an ongoing series. We start a new thread each month just so people who jump in can easily catch up. Some months we end up with 30 or 40 pages of posts so it makes more sense to start new threads. We're definitely not an exclusive group, we do have members join in all the time and some who come and go as they can. I can see how the title could be confusing, but it is really meant to be hopeful of all of us finally getting a BFP. If others feel the same about the confusion though, I would be willing to change it. We normally add a little tag line at the end of the title just for fun. I'm sorry this whole situation happened. Normally this is such a positive and supportive place for everyone.
In a moment of weakness I decided to POAS. Big Fat Negative. I feel so stupid. 12 more hours of hope would have still been 12 more hours. I know there's still a chance. This was evening and not as sensitive as a blood test, but I think we're going to be doing IVF. I knew this was going to be the outcome, but I really wish things had turned out differently. We had so much riding on this cycle. Ladies, why can't this ever be easy?
Hi all, just popping in to say thanks for your words of kindness and understanding, means a lot. I am actually doing ok. Partly because I did most of my immediate grieving after the initial blood test because I knew it was not a lab error and partly because I still don't believe that I will never have another child. I just don't believe it. My dh and I have been coming up with what we call perks of my diagnosis, just silly meaningless things that is helping us to deal (cause there are no real perks as far as we are concerned) but a little humor can help. They are mainly centered around my lack of a period...
Milk - glad your kidney is okay.
Sourire - don't know what to say to af on 7dpo
TF2B - Hope your dh makes it home on time to catch your egg.
SSB - I hope that you were just too early with that test.
Sourire - how are you feeling? I'm thinking of you. Thanks for the good thoguhts.
milk - I'm so glad to hear your kidney is fine! I've been worrying about you. Good thoughts to you on your birthday!
Cait - My cardiologist is back in the office today so I'm going to call as soon as it opens and see if I can't get him to at least talk to me on the phone. Hopefully he'll say everything is good. I haven't gotten a call yet about scheduling the MRI so I'm a little worried he's going to want to wait.
I totally missed the Spice Girls at the closing ceremonies! I was upset because DH and I were saying in the beginning how it was so weird that they were including all these British bands and the Spice Girls were HUGE at one point and they weren't being included. I guess they were after all!
I hope the Femara side effects back off soon. I am praying that O holds off until DH's return. Come on good egg! We need some good news for Cait please!
I'm sorry about the news about your coworker. Of course you're happy for her, but it's so hard when you should be there too. Hopefully your #1 will come soon after their #2.
Smiles - Me too, thank you. I'm so glad that you and DH are dealing well together, and you know what, this doesn't mean things are hopeless. I'm still praying you do get your BFP. It can happen. I'm glad you're doing ok.
AFM, just got back from my beta, cuddled my dog, and did some yoga. I'm feeling awful, but still trying to remember there is a hint of hope. Things could all come back great. If not, my cardiologist may still say it's fine to go ahead with IVF and we'll get started on that. I have a ton of phone calls to make (paypal issue, have to return the defective bike I was sent, and the cardiologist of course) so hopefully that'll keep me busy. I'm also planning a nice long walk with the pup and maybe a trip to some thrift shops with my mom. That should last me until 2pm! I started doing another "day in the life" again today, but I think I may just give it up if my result comes back negative. It's real, but it's pretty depressing.
shesaidboom - sorry about the BFN yesterday. I really wish the result had been different. I hope you get to do IVF soon!
toothfairy - yikes those Femara side effects sound awful! You took all the Femara at once right? The half-life of Femara is 48 hours, so every 2 days the amount of Femara in your body will be reduced by half and I'm hoping your side-effects diminish at the same speed! I'm wishing you good timing this month. Oh yeah and having people "lap" you (aka get pregnant with 2 babies in the time you've been trying for 1) is the worst!!!! I recently experienced that for the first time too... it's a sign that we need our BFPs ASAP!!!
Milk - HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! Maybe you'll be getting some sparkly jewelery from DH today??? :D
Smiles - I also refuse to believe you won't have another child!!! It just has to happen! There is a website I really like called naturalfertilitybreakthrough.com ... it's run by a naturopath in Australia and she has tons of great advice on how to improve your fertility without using high-tech fertility treatments... there is a ton of great info and articles on there that you might find interesting.
AFM - I'm feeling a lot better today. Thanks to those of you who asked.
I don't think my AF has actually started. My body likes to play tricks on me like that. My bleeding yesterday morning was bright red and very liquid. Since then I've been bleeding a medium amount of tar-black sludge. Gross I know. Add that to the fact that I've been spotting since 1 DPO (yep that's right - 1 DPO!) and that all my post-O temps have been super low (if I hadn't had a + OPK I would seriously doubt whether I O'ed) and it's pretty clear my body is a wreck. If anyone wants to see what a chart should NOT look like here is mine: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2d1bce
I kind of wish AF had actually started so I could just get on with things. AF is due on Friday and then I start one final IUI cycle... I just want to get it over with!!! My plan to survive the next cycle is to excercise almost every day (either yoga or biking) and get tons of sleep, hopefully that will keep me saner than my last medicated cycle when I didn't do any excercise at all. DH and I tried to go for a bike ride yesterday evening but it started pouring rain as soon as we left the house, so I did yoga instead and I felt so much better afterwards.
Shesaidboom - Crap. Sorry friend. That really sucks. I'm glad you have what sounds like a fun day planned!
Cait - Yes, we still go to acupuncture weekly. Last week I even went twice at the "perfect" times (9 & 11dpo). I have looked into NaPro and would totally do it. But there don't seem to be any NaPro Dr's close :( Which is odd being in Orange County where we are swimming in RE's. I already miss the Olympics too. Though I do have one child, I have friends that are "lapping me" with #3...sucks big time. Hugs.
Milk - Whew. Happy Birthday!
Sourire - Hi friend. I'll have to read back about your cycle I guess. I hope you were able to get most of your anger/crazies out!
AFM - My AF was the worst. It started with a terrible migraine (which I haven't had in 4 years!), then the worst back cramps I have ever had. Totally kicked my ass. I was useless for 24hrs. My bleeding on Clomid was always pretty thick, even stringy, small clots and my lining was always thick and "perfect". This first cycle off it's thin and runny, nothing like on Clomid. It makes me wonder.... I'll ask my acupuncturist about it.
I'm just going to do everything I did last cycle since it seemed to work. Minus the pregnant part. In the meantime I'm doing at least 1hr of research/educating myself on donor embryos. At this point I'm not sure if I'm just using it as a distraction or if it is something I'm that serious about already.
So as I thought, BFN. Not expecting much doesn't make it any less devastating though. I kind of want to crawl under a rock and stay there. Now I'm waiting to hear back from the cardiologist who just came back from vacation today so probably won't call.