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post #1 of 33
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Another week gone? Wow time is flying! :)

 

Segolily-So glad you had a great MW appt, and the cuteness of your brood is too much!!

Esp-I am  in the same boat regarding housework, I feel like right now I am barely treading water with it, lol...and as for your sweet babe, similar to PPs, I have a friend who was told that her babe had a similar issue and she was born without issue, she's now 3 and there was never a problem with it, so sending hugs and peaceful vibes your way!

 

AFM-I am sooooooo tired! It's been a week of non-stop sleepiness here, which is kind of wrecking my 2nd tri goove, lol. Hope all is well with you mamas!

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Time is flying!  We hit 23 weeks yesterday, wowee!  Again, I'd like to thank you all for the support and comforting words and hugs.  I've really been able to take them to heart and make peace with our situation.  

Darkblue-I'm sorry you're tired!  Have you been up with other kiddos or insomnia?  Being tired in the 2nd tri is always a bummer.  Like, hey!  This is my time to feel good...so cut me some slack :)

How is everyone feeling?  Has anyone been exercising?  Phatchristy--I remember a while back you mentioned that you were seeing some positive results from your dancing, how's that coming along?  What sort of system do you have?  Has anyone been doing the traditional type labor preparation exercises (squatting, kegels)?  Mamaharrison, thanks for the spinning babies link.  I came across it last pregnancy but really need to focus on it this time as DD2 was a face presentation, no fun at all.  Guess I could always scrub the floors on hands and knees...haha!

How are our Australian ladies faring?  Hope everyone is feeling well.  I wish we could all get together and hang out today grouphug.gif

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esp - more words of encouragement & love here - so many of these things do resolve themselves. And, even in the 'worst' cases (of which I have been peripherally involved with several), they resolve themselves, too, sometimes with more help than others. I am sure you will have a beautiful, healthy baby in the long run!

 

darkblue - sorry you've been tired. Do you get insomnia when pg? I do, and it is SUCH a bummer. Whatever is causing your sleeplessness, I hope it resolves itself quickly and you get some rest!

 

I'm having a 'pregnant princess' day - spending the day in my room. I have spent the last couple days in full 'go' mode: I've made, bread, cheese, jam, pasta sauces... not to mention spending about 36 hours with 10 kids (just me & DP), a 6 hour pool party yesterday at a friend's house, etc... I'm just worn out. So everyone else is on duty while I rest up for the week.

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Hi, everyone!

 

I am on 24/7 alone duty with my kids this week.  DH is away working until Saturday and survival is my goal!  Actually, so far it hasn't been too bad - my energy is so much better than it was a month or so ago and I'm not in pain at the moment.  I felt like superwoman last night - put kids to bed by 10 with a clean house and having accomplished one minor improvement task besides!  It is definitely challenging, though.  My observation is that when kids are used to only having access to one parent, or one parent at a time, everyone is kind of calibrated to the level of demand that is possible for that parent to meet - but when my kids are used to having access to both parents every day it's a big shift to suddenly have one parent trying to meet all that demand.

 

So, no pregnant princess for me this week!  Enjoy your rest time, Segolily!

 

Esp, how was the labor & birth with a face presentation?  DS2 was born posterior, which felt different from the two who were born anterior, but we didn't know why until he came out, so it didn't actually cause any problems.  I hope they're able to just tell you the kidney thing is no longer even an issue at your next check.

 

Darkblue, hope you get some rest soon!

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Edited by nhklh - 11/13/13 at 5:03pm
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Wow! Another week already? I just looked at my calendar and realized that I will be 24 weeks on Wednesday.

 

Esp- I just wanted to share that I experienced this with my DS. We had a follow up ultrasound four weeks later, and the problem had resolved itself by then. I hope the same will be true for you and your little one. Please keep us updated.

 

Darkblue- I hope that you can get some rest. Maybe you can arrange for a pregnant princess day like Segolily?

 

Mamabeakley- I know what it is like to have husband gone for short stints, and I have to agree that it can be really tough. When my husband started traveling for work, I really felt like I didn't have a right to complain when I compared my situation with several families that I know (military families and off shore oil workers). But one of those mamas pointed out the difficulty of being used to a routine and then having things change for a week or two, and then try to return to normal for the next few weeks. Those moms gave me great advice about lowering my expectations for housework, and reminding myself that I needed to find ways to give myself a break from the kids (an hour at the Y for a workout really helped save my sanity).

 

As for me, I spent a few days in San Antonio, visiting my parents. My parents wanted a few days with the grandkids before I returned to work this week. However, talking to my boss last week, I found out that my pay rate for the year round swim team will be lower than what it was for the summer. Low enough to where when I pay a babysitter and account for gas and taxes, I would make less than nothing. When I told her what I needed to earn to make this work, she promised to get back to me by last Friday, but I have not heard from her. If I don't hear from her today, than I will be joining the ranks of the full time stay-at-home moms for the next few years, because I certainly don't feel like trying to negotiate with them again for a fair pay rate for summer swim team. Trying to make the best of it and look forward to having more time to crochet and sew and prepare for this baby!

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DeeGee and Segolilly-Thank you for you kind words of reassurance, they truly do bring me comfort and peace. I will definitely keep everyone posted when we have our next US, I believe it's in 10 days or so.  DeeGee-glad you have a nice option in case things don't work out with your job.  Right on for making the best of it!  Sego-you have definitely earned a pregnant princess day!  Sounds like you have been super busy...the thought of 10 kids for 36 hours makes my head spin, and I've always been an advocate for "the more the merrier."  dizzy.gif

Mamabeakley-  Happy to hear that things are going well with DH away.  You are so right about the routine switch up.  The shift in a two parent atmosphere to a one parent atmosphere is pretty tremendous, awesome that you all are handling it so well.

My labor and delivery with DD2 and her face presentation was...LONG :).  I was at a birth center with midwives within a hospital, so we really worked to get her turned.  17 hours of lunging through contractions.  There was also a lot of laboring on hands and knees and in child's pose.  We finally got her to turn her little face, but then her heart rate went WAY down and we had to have an emergency c-section when I was dialated to 9cm because she was just not descending.  Turns out we had and occult cord prolapse which no one detected until they made the incision and a whole bunch of cord popped out!  I have to say that I knew something was up the whole time, it just felt a bit wrong to me, but I couldn't explain why.  I should have been tipped off when all of the midwives said things during cervical checks like, "this is the weirdest exam I've ever done," or, "I don't know what I'm feeling."  Looking back on it, I think they were feeling cord.  She was a small baby, so my MW said this time that she is giving me permission to have a bigger baby so his head takes up all the space in my pelvis :).  It took me about a year to make peace with that delivery, but I actually feel fine about it now.  This time around I'll definitely be paying more attention to baby's position and hope I can influence it a bit before labor.  But, sometimes these things are not within our control.

Nhklh-Last pregnancy I had the same sex/orgasm issue.  We haven't reached that point yet this time (not that we've really been "doing it") but I remember last time being pretty bummed out at first. We still had plenty of intimate time, but kind of arranged things so that I wouldn't have an orgasm.  Even though it sounds a little lame, it was actually quite nice for us.  I felt a lot less pressure and had a nice time being more giving :)

post #8 of 33
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Thank you all for the restful well wishes love.gif I just can't seem to shake the sleepiness :(

Esp- Congrats on 23 weeks mama!! I hit 22 this week and can't believe how quickly it is going by

Segolily-Sounds like your pregnant princess day was entirely well deserved mama!!

Mamabeakley-Wow mama, hang in there this week! And kudos to you for getting so much done!

nhklh-Aww mama, so sorry that sex is getting weird :( I mean, I have days where I feel squiggly and don't really want my breasts touched, but overall that dept. has been umm, trouble-free...I hope that you can find a balance that accomodates how you are feeling right now mama!

DeeGee-Sorry that your job situation isn't going as planned, but it sounds as though there is a pretty serious upside...staying at home full time and getting to nest your heart out :) I hope that the whole situation works out the way you want it to.

 

Baking bread here and mixing up the dough for pierogies, I have been craving cabbage-cheese and potato-green onion pierogies hardcore lol...and am totally trying to talk myself out of making halushki, mmmmmmmmmm

 

Hope all is well mamas!

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I haven't ever gotten particularly weirded out by sex in pregnancy, but I definitely have varying levels of hormonal interest in orgasm at different times, including pregnancy.  I actually think that for me it's been a good thing overall, because having times when orgasm was genuinely not that important to me or interesting at all has made me a  lot more understanding and compassionate when my partner doesn't orgasm.  He told me for years that he didn't actually mind, that it was not a problem for him when orgasm didn't happen for him 100% of the time, but I didn't really get it until I experienced it myself and got a lot less frustrated on his behalf and worried that I was doing something wrong.

 

I'm TIRED today.  I did not sleep well last night - bad dreams, kicking children, and needing to pee left me with no chunk of sleep longer than 2 hours, which is tough.  And my kids, who I think DID sleep fine, for some reason felt the need to argue with me about EVERY. SINGLE. THING. ALL. MORNING.  However, I am at work now - my one day of work while DH is gone, so I can take a break from the arguing and know that tomorrow is another (hopefully a better) day.

post #10 of 33

Hello hello!

 

Lol i love logging in and seeng all the sex talk hahah! I was the same at the beginning of the pregnancy nhklh but lately its been a matter of "If you take your hand OFF my boobs i will bite you!" ... and can anyone say multiple orgasms thumb.gif Lol overshare??

Darkblue- Do you think if you went and hid somewhere and slept it would work? Maybe a cupboard? the garden? he he!

Mama Beakley- I very much get the no sleep at night time thing! With a mixture of bad dreams, being kicked from the inside and smothered by DH, as well as peeing every two hours... urgh.. yeah I am there with you!

 

AFM- I spent this entire last week in Melbourne at a National Maternity Coalition Conference! It was awesoem to actually make a difference!  I have a whole bunch of stuff to work on, like writing to politicians, making flyers and organising information evenings! Sooo good! And hopefully will make a difference!!! nhklh are you a member??

We have all of our nappies now :) I have been stocking up over the last few weeks. They look so cute!

A good friend of mine is staying with us for 6 weeks starting yesterday... I am really surprised at how much i have become possessive of my home and hubby this pregnancy! I hate going away for too long as it just feels "off", when normally I am the kinda gal who plans overseas holidays for at least a month! The nesting instinct is in overdrive and it is especially obvious with someone in "my space".... Will ahve to play it by ear. But expect some whinging in the next 6 weeks lol!

 

Can you believe we are on the downhill run now?!?!!?!?!? DarkBlue we are at 22 weeks this friday?!?!? ah!!!! YAYAYAYYAAY!!! More than half way!! (I am calling 21 weeks halfway so i dont get impatient lol)

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Travelmumma *huggles!!* I missed you mama! So glad you had a great time making a difference, sounds like something you were born to do :)

Congrats on getting your diaper stash together mama thumb.gif and fwiw I am totally with you on feeling like a crazy nesting maniac, I keep thinking that by babe number four I should be over this already, lol, but I am so not, which is just adding to the insanity of tiredness...I lay awake at night thinking about all the things I have to do still...and yes! We really are hitting 22 weeks on Friday joy.gif

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Nhklh- GD is my second midwife smile.gif its absolutely crap that she felt the need to hand in her licence, but if it's what she has to do to feel better about supporting all women, then I will support it. On another note, I hope your DP is ok? That must be difficult??
Darkblue- I missed you all too!!! My belly bean is popping about all over the place is Gabe?
Esp- I just read your post about your last labour being a face presentation! Golly gee! Good job mumma!!!

Yes the space protectiveness is a bit crazy here! Just this evening I made DH move a whole couch out of the lounge room and move in a big squishy armchair that ONLY I am allowed in! I have spent the night in it reading Ina May and watching birth videos... My space my space my space. I explained to DH how I felt today and he responded with "of course, that makes sense! You are a mumma bear wanting to protect her cave!" ... It's just tricky having our friend staying with us for 6 weeks. I want to be a good host, but I need my emotional, spiritual and physical space right now. Hmmmmm
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I am definitely behind most of you gals at 19 1/2 weeks and since I always go to almost 42 - I've got a couple more weeks until halfway - but I am super happy with that.  So far I am really enjoying this pregnancy and I'm in no hurry for it to be over.  I like that I have so much time to enjoy and get close to baby and time to prepare before he/she arrives.  Technically I should be on the Jan boards, since I'm always past due, but I started out on these boards and feel more connections here, so you're stuck with me;)

 

I had a great weekend because my partner has been here for 4 full days - he heads home this morning.  We drove out to the coast for a day, went and saw a movie with the kids at the half price theatre, went for lots of walks, ate amazing Mexican food last night at a sidewalk cafe, went shopping, had lots of sex...;)  Now I just have to get through the next 3 or so weeks without him again - but it was so good to have him here, cooking me food and talking and holding hands and sleeping together at night - normal everyday stuff that you don't always appreciate.  And as far as sex goes - I'm still very much at the *love* it stage - but I have definitely noticed that even though I have plenty of lubrication now, due to blood increase and swelling down in that area, it does take me longer to orgasm.  Which isn't necessarily a bad thing!  

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I am definitely behind most of you gals at 19 1/2 weeks and since I always go to almost 42 - I've got a couple more weeks until halfway - but I am super happy with that.  So far I am really enjoying this pregnancy and I'm in no hurry for it to be over.  I like that I have so much time to enjoy and get close to baby and time to prepare before he/she arrives.  Technically I should be on the Jan boards, since I'm always past due, but I started out on these boards and feel more connections here, so you're stuck with me;)

 

This happened to me with my last pregnancy. I was due at the end of August and all the other moms on my board were due more towards to beginning or middle. We had several moms go early and have their babies in July. If I remember correctly all the moms had delivered by August 20th. I was the last one left! I went past my due date and then kept on going. I finally delivered my son on September 13th!! By that time there were moms in my group who had babies who were over 2 months old!

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Kel - I'm at the opposite end! I'm due Nov 28/Dec1, 25 weeks today (if you go with the Nov 28 date). I started in the November group, but always felt so behind and not so connected, so I started hanging out here. I stop in the Nov. group from time to time, but December is my group! I know I don't post as often as the rest of you, but I check in and love hearing what is happening for you. It's hard for me to keep up with this weekly check-in, but I like it. I'm going to try to keep up with it better.

 

About sleeping - I've been doing pretty good, I have one night a week where I have insomnia for 2-3 hours. It is crazy, I just can't sleep. But the rest of the time, I'm good... except for the 2-4 times I get up to pee. I'm very thankful for that. I feel like I really need the sleep.

 

It's just gotten hot here in Oregon the past few weeks. My legs have started swelling in the afternoons. Not too terribly, but not comfortable either. I've been trying to keep moving as well as put my legs up too. Sitting at my desk at work is not helpful. If I'm drinking enough water, I have to get up to pee every 30 minutes, which helps!

 

Last night DH and I went to a vaccination workshop led by a naturopath. It was good, but emotional. DH are more on the same page, but we had some difficult talks afterwards. I'm more of an external processor than DH and sometimes he gets frustrated. We worked it all out in the end. Still don't know what we're doing about vaccinations. We're leaning towards not doing much of any, but I'm really torn about DTaP. Pertussis has been going around a lot around here (Oregon/Wash) and it being the most risky during the first year, I sort of lean towards doing it. But I also really am not comfortable giving such a little baby a vaccination. Not sure how to sort that one out. I found out last night, I could get the adult version (TDaP) - I guess it's approved for 2nd half of pregnancy, but I'm not comfortable with that. I was thinking maybe getting it postpartum and maybe some of that would go to the baby, but as my DH pointed out, is that any better than giving the baby the vaccination? And we don't actually know if the immunity would transfer. At one point in our conversation, he surprised me by saying he'd be fine not vaccinating at all. We started this vaccination conversation (before I was pregnant) where he was pro-vaccination and I was against!

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Lulu, it's not that the vaccination would 'go to the baby' - AFAIK, vaccines are such a tiny dose (compared to your body size) that it's not as if the components are going to be circulating in your bloodstream much and therefore into your breastmilk in any significant way.  It's that if YOU have immunity and your body experiences an immune response to being exposed to pertussis, those antibodies WILL be present in your breastmilk and therefore your baby (assuming you are 100% breastfeeding, only adding solids when baby is ready) will be significantly protected should s/he be exposed to pertussis - making the risk for under-1s much more similar to the risks for other age groups.   Breastfeeding is a hugely important part of a baby's immune system.

 

We don't vaccinate for pertussis because my DH had a classic adverse reaction as a baby (24 hours of high pitched screaming after each of 2 doses - after that MIL wised up and didn't give him any more.)  We did, however, want to vaccinate for Diptheria and Tetanus, so it's been quite a journey getting doctors to give our kids the DT rather than the DTaP.  My SIL's family just had pertussis - none of them vaccinated - indeed, the baby was the sickest but he had been prematurely weaned, and was not hospitalized or anything really scary.

 

My DH would be fine with no vaccinations at all.  I am more comfortable with waiting until they are weaned and then doing only those vaccines I feel 'oh, shit' about the diseases - which are DT, and polio.  Everything else we either skip or will wait until about age 12 since I feel 'oh, shit' ish about varicella, measles and mumps when caught as teens or adults, too.  Good luck making your decisions!  It is such a tough topic in our culture, and there's no one right answer for everybody.  For example, I'd probably make different choices if my kids were in daycare, or if one of us parents worked in a healthcare setting regularly.

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Thanks tropicana and lulu - it's funny how the different boards have different vibes and I feel lucky to feel so comfortable on this one. 

 

Lulu - immunizations are a tough decision.  It looks like we're probably having a cnm attended birth center/hospital birth this time around (so that it's covered by medicaid) and I'm going to have to make sure that they don't give our baby any shots on the sly!  I never get my babes immunized at birth, but I have selectively chosen to immunize for a few things later on and dtap is one of those.  With my youngest, the two that I chose to get were Hib - first dose at 5 months (then again at 9 and 13 months); and DTaP - first dose at 6 months (then again at 11 and 18 months).  She had no reactions, but it was still a tough and personal decision. 

 

Portland has been quite hot - luckily there are lots of parks with water features for the younger kids - and I just can't complain if it's sunny!  I've been lucky so far not to suffer from any swelling.

post #19 of 33

Mamabeakley makes good points, too, about breastfeeding in particular.  I also had my oldest (now 17) vaccinated against varicella, measles and mumps, once he hit junior high age and plan to do the same with the other kids in all likelihood. 

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Originally Posted by lulubikes View Post

Last night DH and I went to a vaccination workshop led by a naturopath. It was good, but emotional. DH are more on the same page, but we had some difficult talks afterwards. I'm more of an external processor than DH and sometimes he gets frustrated. We worked it all out in the end. Still don't know what we're doing about vaccinations. We're leaning towards not doing much of any, but I'm really torn about DTaP. Pertussis has been going around a lot around here (Oregon/Wash) and it being the most risky during the first year, I sort of lean towards doing it. But I also really am not comfortable giving such a little baby a vaccination. Not sure how to sort that one out. I found out last night, I could get the adult version (TDaP) - I guess it's approved for 2nd half of pregnancy, but I'm not comfortable with that. I was thinking maybe getting it postpartum and maybe some of that would go to the baby, but as my DH pointed out, is that any better than giving the baby the vaccination? And we don't actually know if the immunity would transfer. At one point in our conversation, he surprised me by saying he'd be fine not vaccinating at all. We started this vaccination conversation (before I was pregnant) where he was pro-vaccination and I was against!

Lulu, you are right. Vaccine decisions are so difficult and what is right for one family may not be right for another.

I had a couple other thoughts that hadn't been brought up yet and since you are questioning the DTaP in particular I thought I would share.

 

One thing to consider is the age of those children who died after contracting pertussis. The tinier they are the higher their risk of complications. According to the CDC the deaths were mostly under 3 months old. So, when they are at the highest risk they are actually too young to receive the vaccine anyway. They don't really reach "immunity" (if there was such a thing) until they get the whole series (2, 4, and 6 months) and by that time they are past the most high risk age for whooping cough complications.

 

Another thing is that while the media is talking about these huge "outbreaks" that we are having it is not a whole lot different than the cycle that the WC always runs. No one knows why but WC ebbs and flows every 3-5 years. They have not found that "cacooning" (having those around small children be vaccinated) or multiple boosters for older children has had any affect on the on the rise and fall that occurs during the cycle.

 

Also, MANY of these reported cases of WC have been in those that were FULLY vaccinated against WC:

"Washington state; for instance, has one of the highest vaccine exemption rates in the country, but CDC officials have said that most of the children who have come down with whooping cough were vaccinated."

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-current-whooping-cough-epidemic-could-mean-that-the-vaccine-is-not-working

 

"Nearly two out of three people diagnosed with whooping cough in San Diego County this year, were fully immunized."

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/sep/07/vaccinated-people-getting-whooping-cough-sd/

 

They may have already gone over the vaccine risks with you at your class but here is the package insert in case you haven't seen it. This line in particular always shocks me:

 

General Disorders and Administration Site Conditions: Fatigue, injection site 
induration, injection site reaction, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. 

 

And the adult version: 

Safety and effectiveness of BOOSTRIX have not been established in
pregnant women.  WHAT?!?! Really?!bigeyes.gif
 
One other suggestion would be to visit the VEARS site to see how many reports of vaccine complications there have been and compare them to the rates of WC cases. It is very interesting reading.
 
This is a very personal choice and one that I can tell is weighing heavily on you. I think that I should have sent this to you in a private message but after I got done typing it all out it wouldn't let me cut and paste it into a message to you. 
Sorry to everyone for my long winded vaccine post...I just always want to make sure that mamas have as much info as they can when they make this decision (I have close friends whose children have serious, permanent vaccine injuries so it is a topic close to my heart). :-(
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