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Breastfeeding Support - Page 8post #141 of 2429/21/12 at 11:50amSponsored Linkspost #142 of 2429/21/12 at 1:55pmQuote:Originally Posted by NewMumJoy
Boots - I'm terrified of thrush too (and mastitis!!), with the more that I read about it (and people's experiences w/it). My public health nurse who's been keeping tabs on me told me to start treating myself for thrush (with acidophilus, grapefruit seed extract, and prescription nipple ointment), although William doesn't have the white patches in his mouth or the diaper rash (yet). I just simply have constant soreness and tenderness in my breasts and my nipples are burning all the time - whether he's nursing or not.
Uh oh...my nipples feel really sore all the time, regardless of whether I'm nursing - it feels like someone's pinching them all the time. It's gotten better the past few days, and we're not having any other problems at all, but should I be worried about thrush anyway?!post #143 of 2429/22/12 at 4:58amI've had it off and on, it was really bad for a little while. The easiest thing I've found that works and I can consistently remember to do is wipe my nipple with ACV before and after each feeding.post #144 of 2429/22/12 at 8:30am
NewMumJoy - I had thrush three times with my son and he never had white patches in his mouth or a rash. The baby doesn't need to show any signs of thrush for there to be thrush. You still have to treat them, though, since they transfer it back to you every time they eat. I've always used gentian violet and it's worked everytime. I've also taken the grapeseed oil extract pills, garlic pills and probiotics as an extra precaution.post #145 of 2429/23/12 at 11:18am
Hi Sol, thanks for asking - still hanging in there! We have good feedings, and then challenging ones....over the past fews days William's been getting frustrated at the breast (my right side's been less full than the left, so then I have to keep offering him the left which continues this "lopsided" cycle we now have). His nursing freak-outs happen more as the day progresses, so that by 9pm I usually have to give him a couple ounces of formula from a bottle to keep us both from losing it.... which brings me back to questioning my supply (but, perhaps it's just a fussy period???). I haven't been able to pump in between feedings since I'm always holding him (or he always seems to be nursing) - but when I did a couple times this weekend I only got about an ounce. I've added the "tigers milk" smoothies w/the brewers yeast to my daily regimen. We seem to have much better luck if I can stretch out his feedings to 3+hrs, otherwise I can't seem to "refill" fast enough for him.
Sol, how are you doing w/the vasospasm?? Is that something that will eventually clear up on its own?
Sally - interesting to hear that you also didn't experience the white patches or the diaper rash with thrush (sooo, maybe I do have it after all, ughhhh!!!). I'm continuing with the oral grapefruit seed extract and the ointment, and now I'm also wiping with a vinegar solution (the latter two are so hard to keep up with, since I can never tell when William is really "finished" nursing!) We both have a doctors checkup this week, so hopefully I'll get more answers and maybe need to try the gentian violet too.....
Ninetales - I think you mentioned last week that Oscar had a thrush diaper rash? How are you both doing now?
Boots - Hopefully your concerns about thrush haven't developed into anything serious!!
..... Has anyone else here experienced a rash or hives with breastfeeding? I've had this rash going on for several weeks now - it started out just on my forearms, but now it's all over my body (arms and legs the worst). It flares up during/after BF'ing and then calms down (or almost disappears) in between. I'm guessing it's due to changing hormones and being run down, and from what I've googled it can continue for a long time for some people even after they've stopped BF'ing for good.... :/post #146 of 2429/23/12 at 10:09pm
Yes, Sol, thanks for checking in. Things are actually awful. I think I just lived through the worst week of my life. My breast abscess is not going away, and I've had it drained by needle 4 times this week. As soon as it's drained, it just starts reaccumulating fluid and filling up and getting hard and painful again. I met with a breast surgeon on Friday who obviously thought we were irresponsible, naive people for having a homebirth and not getting our almost 6-week old in to see a pediatrician yet. She told me I hadn't had proper care during my pregnancy or after, and that if I'd had, I wouldn't have developed such a serious case of mastitis. Also, she told me that clearly no one had taught me how to breastfeed, because if they had, I would have known to empty my breasts and not get mastitis. Which totally disregards the fact that the bacteria I have in my abscess came into my body through my cracked nipples. Anyway, the biggest part of the meeting that was upsetting is that she told me there was a chance I would need a mastectomy to get rid of this abscess. I started bawling and she said, "What are your thoughts?" And I said, "I'm scared." She said, "I would be scared too." Nice bedside manner, huh?
So I spent most of the weekend bawling and feeling traumatized, imagining my life without one of my breasts. I was back in urgent care today since I've been having to get daily IV antibiotics (part of what's made this week so awful). The urgent care doctor said that there is a much simpler procedure, although still surgical, that can get rid of an abscess. And in her 16 years of practicing, she's never seen someone need a mastectomy for an abscess. So I guess the breast surgeon was trying to scare me.
Anyway, I do feel that I will need an incision and drainage to get rid of this thing. I was hoping not to have to be as invasive as that, but my bigger priority is to just get rid of this abscess, no matter what. We meet with the breast surgeon again tomorrow morning. Not looking forward to it....
Lesson learned: deal with a plugged duct right away. NEVER let mastitis go--get to the doctor right away!post #147 of 2429/24/12 at 8:38am
sarah - That surgeon sounds ridiculous! No way is a mastectomy the first-line choice for a breast abscess - if it's even anywhere on the menu. And for her to be so completely insulting about your medical choices is just uncalled-for. Unless you spent your entire pregnancy smoking two packs a day and doing other immune-system-destroying activities, nothing about your pregnancy care has anything to do with where you are right now. Is there any other surgeon you could see? Like someone who won't treat you like dirt?!? I hope you can get things worked out soon.
Everyone else - I am reading along, but waaay too far behind for personals. Glad that at least some of your journeys are getting better. I am more grateful than ever for the relatively few challenges we've faced reading about all that some of you mamas have been through. It's taking all the stubbornness I've got in me to stick with this, so I don't know where you amazing ladies are finding the strength. And since several people have mentioned it - no, I definitely do NOT love every minute of breastfeeding. Even when things are going well, I do get sick of being so *needed*.
AFM, really the only challenge we're facing right now is the occasional painful feeding and the semi-frequent burning and itching nipples/breasts between feedings. (That, and me getting resentful of Baby Bird wanting to nurse ALL.THE.TIME.) My midwife thinks it's thrush, though the baby is showing no definite signs of having thrush. She gave me a prescription for an anti-fungal pill, but I've been reluctant to fill it, because I'm not sure it's thrush. A student midwife who was also there recommended putting coconut oil on my nipples, since it's apparently an anti-fungal, too, so I've been doing that for the past couple of days. Not sure if it's helping. I'm wondering if I also have issues with vasospasm, but I can't find enough information on it to be sure. I have definitely seen my nipples turn both white and purple, but they're not always those colors when they hurt. And I don't always get pain after feeding, just sometimes. And sometimes it seems to hit me completely at random. And sometimes it's just unbearable itchiness.
I have made some tentative forays into pumping, so that I might someday be able to leave him for more than a few hours, when I'm ready for him to try a bottle. (Which, despite my mom's repeated protests, I am not ready for.) But I can't figure out when to pump so that I both a.) get enough (at least 2.5-3 oz) to make pumping worth it, and b.) don't leave Baby Bird hungry and upset. If I pump right after or soon after he feeds, it doesn't seem like I would get much. But if I wait until it's been awhile, then he'll get hungry while I'm pumping or shortly after, and seems like he doesn't fill up on what he gets from me and remains fussy and constantly feeding for hours. Any tips on how I can do this? I don't need/want to pump more than maybe once a day.post #148 of 2429/24/12 at 1:05pm
Holy cow! I had no idea BFing would be so tough for so many of us.
I woke up Sat morn feeling fluey, achy, and around noon noticed red spots on my left breast. I took my temp and it was 100.3. I went to bed and massaged and nursed and used heat and rested. The spots did not go away and I started to get chills. I took my temp again in the late afternoon and it was 101.8. I thought of you, sarahdb, and knew I needed to act quickly. Thank you for that! I called my midwife and she suggested I start antibiotics right away.
Normally I put off antibiotics, but I was pretty scared by the horror stories I'd heard about mastitis, and didn't want to risk my boob. I started taking dicloxacillin that evening and felt great the next day.
So far I've dislodged one of the red spots. I'm still working on the other one, and trying to rest while I get ready to move across the country this weekend.post #149 of 2429/24/12 at 1:22pm
Sarah, I'm so sorry you're having to deal with the abscess and that horrible surgeon. It seems like the Urgent Care doctor had a good point and I hope that everything turns out.
Monkey, I would try pumping from one breast while you feed Baby Bird on the other. This was recommended to me by some people in the group and it seems to be the best way to get the most milk. I usually do this with my morning feeding, since this is when my breasts are the most full, I've tried it at other times and it is not as productive. I'll usually start on one breast and pump for a few minutes after milk stops coming, then I'll switch the baby to that breast, and pump from the other, since the baby is more adept at getting milk out than the pump, and she isn't fussy once I switch her to the already pumped breast either.
So I think I have thrush on one of my nipples, definitely, so I'm going to start trying some of the home remedies that were mentioned, and to read about it. But everything that is going on with my nipples/breasts sounds like what Monkey described. Luckily, I have some coconut oil here. What is gentian violet and where can I get it and how is it administered?post #150 of 2429/24/12 at 1:31pmQuote:Originally Posted by Veritas Vitae
So I think I have thrush on one of my nipples, definitely, so I'm going to start trying some of the home remedies that were mentioned, and to read about it. But everything that is going on with my nipples/breasts sounds like what Monkey described. Luckily, I have some coconut oil here. What is gentian violet and where can I get it and how is it administered?
Gentian violet goes right on your nipples. It's dark purple and stains everything it touches, so you need to wear clothes you don't care about at all. You will have purple nipples and your babe will have a purple mouth, but it the color fades throughout the day. I think I put it on twice a day, so in the morning and at night. I got mine at a Walgreen's when I lived in Texas, but I'd call around first before picking some up. You don't need a prescription or anything, but not all pharmacies carry it. You don't need very much, so you don't need to get a big bottle or anything!post #151 of 2429/24/12 at 9:37pmThread Starter
Hey Sol, thanks for checking in! How old is your little one by now, like 2.5 months? How are things going with you guys?
It's funny in the LLL book, the sections go newb-5 weeks, then 6 weeks to 4 months, and it talks about how you feel like you are a pro by 6 weeks. While I certainly don't feel that way, things aren't quite as hard as they used to be, but I think that's all about my confidence and not feeling like every little thing will put him off the breast forever.
I am having some more pain than I have been in the past. I had terrible latch pain and was really engorged on the right side early this morning. I pumped out like 4 ounces out of that side because he seemed happy with just the left. I barely had the suction on the pump turned up at all and the milk was pouring out. I was in a lot of pain that really went away after pumping and icing. I am still having some random shooting pains in both boobs though and I'm still worried about thrush although both of us are on probiotics and I've been coating my nipples with coconut oil in the past few days.
I still feel like I have a patch of thrush or a ghost of one in my mouth from my stupid steroid inhaler, and it makes me so crazy worried about thrush still. I may ask Lyle's doc next week if he can check him for it. Or maybe just pick up some gentian violet if I feel like it's getting worse.
In other news, my freezer stash is going really well. I go back to work for good in three weeks. (I have one day back a week from Fri) I have about 45 oz now. The thing that I've read, though, I mean a freezer stash is great for emergencies but it does you no good in keeping up your supply, so you have to make sure you're pumping enough for baby to eat daily. I guess weekend pumped milk could be used to supplement during the week or something. I'm trying to tell myself I'm so nervous about pumping at work, it seems impossible, but a few weeks ago 45 oz in the freezer seemed impossible too. So all of this is challenging but it tends to get figured out as we go. I do need to order a spare set of pump parts.
Sarah, I cannot believe what a b*tch that doctor was to you. Seriously. "Nobody taught you how to breastfeed." I hope you can get care elsewhere and get this resolved, thinking healing thoughts for you.
CCoello, I hope you get better soon! The thing I read about plugged ducts and mastitis on Kellymom and Dr. Sears emphasized rest, and I swear along with ice and heat, whenever I've had sore boobs and I get a good chunk of sleep it's always way better when I wake up. So wishing you rest and healing!
Joy, hang in there! I bet your supply will catch up and hopefully Will will become a less fussy nurser as he gets older, they do change so fast. That rash sounds like no fun! Hope it gets better.
Monkey, I wish I had better advice for you about when to pump, I just know that about two weeks ago I had the same problem and finally I just started pumping and things took off from there. One thing that might help is to pump and then take a hot shower so that helps stimulate more production so when baby bird wants to nurse there will be more. I started out pumping after a shower in the evening, and then I'd try to get it all, and by and hour later I felt like I could feed him again. Or I could stop pumping and feed him if I needed to. Or you can have DH or someone else give him what you pumped in a bottle. We've done all of these.post #152 of 2429/25/12 at 11:28amQuote:Originally Posted by monkeyscience
I have made some tentative forays into pumping, so that I might someday be able to leave him for more than a few hours, when I'm ready for him to try a bottle. (Which, despite my mom's repeated protests, I am not ready for.) But I can't figure out when to pump so that I both a.) get enough (at least 2.5-3 oz) to make pumping worth it, and b.) don't leave Baby Bird hungry and upset. If I pump right after or soon after he feeds, it doesn't seem like I would get much. But if I wait until it's been awhile, then he'll get hungry while I'm pumping or shortly after, and seems like he doesn't fill up on what he gets from me and remains fussy and constantly feeding for hours. Any tips on how I can do this? I don't need/want to pump more than maybe once a day.
I've been pumping a little bit - enough to get him through a few night feedings. Right now I go to sleep around 10pm after a final feeding, then my husband stays up with him until 3/4am (he stays up this late anyway, so it works out well!) and feeds him from a bottle, then brings him to bed with him and I breastfeed him the rest of the night/morning. What's worked well for me is to pump right after I feed him, while he's napping. I've gotten good results that way - I pumped 8oz just now. I haven't been trying to stock up yet, though - I've just been filling two 5oz bottles a day to use that night.post #153 of 2429/25/12 at 11:51am
I've heard that early morning is the best time to pump because your supply outstrips baby's demand. At the same time, I'm not going to wake myself up to pump, so I guess that's out.
I bought a Medela Harmony manual pump to hold us over until I get the word on whether our insurance will cover an electric pump. I haven't used it yet though, but I need to start. Piper's not really on a schedule, so if I want to go to the gym or really leave her for any length of time I have to make sure she has food with whoever has her (probably DH). So we'll probably start this week.
I, like everyone else around here apparently, am worried about thrush. My letdown is extraordinarily painful, which can be a sign. We have no other symptoms though. I guess it's more that I'm hoping it's thrush so that I could treat it and maybe get some relief from the letdown pain. If it's not thrush, I'll just have to resign myself to toe-curling pain every time she latches, which doesn't seem cool.post #154 of 2429/25/12 at 1:13pmFor what it's worth, I did get mastitis once when my last baby was....7 months old? I just remember it was when nursing was going really well, it came completely out of the blue. I felt really really terrible, could barely drag myself out of bed, had a bad fever and chills etc. I managed to avoid antibiotics.by.hot showers and massage and loads of garlic. I ended up taking 4 raw cloves 3x that day, DH was a saint to share a bed with me bcause my breath was rank!! LOL I also tucked some raw cloves in my bra right on the red spots, and nursed nursed nursed.
Woke up the next morning and it was gone, I felt great and have not had to deal with it since.post #155 of 2429/26/12 at 11:56am
Sorry to hear he has been getting frustrated at the breast. Glad to hear you are still hanging in there despite everything! you are doing great! it does get better I hear. I had read 4 weeks it gets so much better, but at 4 weeks it was not at all in my case. Then someone told me or I read somewhere that it takes 6 to 8 weeks to establish, which made more sense to me. I also can't pump morre than a little under an ounce at a time - that is using both breasts. It almost just makes it not worth it to spend that long pumping when I could be doing one of the big three - sleeping, showering, or eating. How is the rash?
I don't think the vasospasm will go away but I am learning how to manage it with the help of kellymom and a LC. Still have pain other than vasospasm when I think of him BF or hear him cry, I think it is also a very painful letdown. I think I also sometimes have a forceful letdown which makes him sometimes do a shallow latch on purpose to stop it, choke,. It is hard to know for sure since sometimes it isn't an issue and sometimes it is. I should maybe start keeping a log and finding patterns.
I am so sorry!!!!! I don't even know what to say. You are doing a great job and have gone through so much! Thinking of you Please get a 2nd opinion. That doctor sounds awful!!monkeyscience
Re: stubbornness is important when BF I think. No worries - you are doing a great job and your baby is very normal! Your baby bird will get better about the wanting to nurse ALL THE TIME. My baby was like that too but around 8-9 weeks he started getting efficient sometimes and surprising me to no end as sometimes is good off of only 5-7 mins. and is good to go happy baby for a spell. This always varies though during the day and week. He does still like to be attached to nap and will protest sometimes if I unlatch after he is sleeping. The cluster feeding is getting less. We did have a 2.5 hour one last night, but that was nothing like the 6 plus hour marathons we used to have nightly for our cluster feeds. I think another spurt comes at 4 months if I remember right. I pump at night. Like LilyTiger, I am not getting out of a sleep to pump in the morning before LO wakes up yet again, even though they say to pump in the morning.Quote:
Thanks! Yes things are moving towards being easier now I think, the difference one week can make is amazing. Heck, the difference one day or even sometimes one hour can make at this point is sometimes amazing. No day is the same and every feeding is also different. Sometimes he wants to eat for a long awhile and is sleepy, sometimes he is very alert and in 5-7 minutes and he is good to go, or sometimes he is very alert and takes an hour from start to finish and sometimes we cluster feed, just always varies. He is still popping on and off from time to time. He has started punching and kicking too during those times.
I was also not a pro at all by 6 weeks. Someone tried to make me feel like I should be at that age, but we just were not. I had to apply lanolin after every feeding for over 2 months, even though many only need it at the beginning, so much pain and not only just from the vasospasm stuff. 8-9 weeks is when I started to feel more confidence but I wouldn't call myself I pro. If I could feed him in the wrap anytime and anywhere then I think that would up the confidence, I am trying to learn as I do a lot of nursing in the car when out and about. I haven't used the lanolin in awhile now and so far, so good.
I am super hungry while BF and in between sessions and well - always I guess. I want to eat everything in sight all the time. I am going dairy free with you, at least for awhile. No cheese One particular dairy product gave him green stools for a week, lots of it too. It is gone now but not looking to repeat that experience. I will slowly add other dairy products in and see if he will tolerate them since I have been eating dairy for protein and calcium (not milk but more processed ones like shredded cheese, cream cheese, and yogurt) all along until that particular experience. Have you noticed a difference yet?
I am sorry about the pain. I cannot believe you got four ounces out of one breast for one pumping session. I can't get that in 4 sessions off both. I hope your pain gets better. Glad your freezer stash is looking great. 45 oz!!! Amazing! Way to go! You are doing a great job.
edited to add more now, less distracted now
Edited by Sol_y_Paz - 9/28/12 at 4:58pmpost #156 of 2429/26/12 at 3:09pmpost #157 of 2429/26/12 at 3:26pmQuote:Originally Posted by LilyTiger
I, like everyone else around here apparently, am worried about thrush. My letdown is extraordinarily painful, which can be a sign. We have no other symptoms though. I guess it's more that I'm hoping it's thrush so that I could treat it and maybe get some relief from the letdown pain. If it's not thrush, I'll just have to resign myself to toe-curling pain every time she latches, which doesn't seem cool.
I didn't have very painful letdown the first time around but it's super painful this time. I've also had thrush numerous times and it's not the same pain. So if it just hurts when your milk is coming in, you probably just have painful letdown...and it freaking hurts. I'm right there with you. Thrush, on the other hand, is a different kind of lightning pain that sort of shoots into your breast while your babe is nursing. It can also hurt after they stop nursing. Painful letdown just happens when the milk comes in - it doesn't linger and doesn't randomly hurt.
I hope that explanation is helpful to you!!post #158 of 2429/26/12 at 6:51pm
Doesn't this apply to whenever you get up? I know when I finally roll out of bed my boobs are ready to burst.post #159 of 2429/27/12 at 12:02amThread Starter
Sol, do you pump a lot? I think boobs sort of get used to responding to the pump daily. hehe. I hear you on wishing I could nurse babywearing anywhere. It just hasn't happened...
Wait for it everyone, I got bras in the mail today. My new bra size...
I love the bra I got, I've never had such a supportive bra, soft cup nonetheless. It's a goddess bra from breakoutbras.com.
I'd like to say my huge boobs are why I haven't tried sling feeding but I haven't really tried a lot of other positions expect cross cradle on the boppy, what we're both used to...
I can't seem to get it so my boobs don't feel SO engorged in the morning and leak and yuck. I keep thinking it will adjust. Of course I just ate a ton of granola and drank a ton of water before bed, maybe not the best idea.post #160 of 2429/27/12 at 5:49pm
Sally, thanks for the reassurance. I didn't really think it was thrush unless it was completely asymptomatic otherwise, but man, this letdown really really sucks and I was hoping there was some magical cure. The worst part is at night when I can't see her latch it's hard to know at first whether the pain is bad latch or just really bad letdown pain. I have to wait for the letdown pain to go away before I can assess the latch situation. Frustrating.
I've been pumping 3oz manually out of one breast every morning when I wake (and then she takes the other one) and this has liberated me mentally in a completely unexpected way. When DH came home from work today I handed him the baby, told him there was milk in the fridge, and went off on a glorious 45 minute run/workout followed by a long shower. It felt so weird to not have to keep popping my head out to make sure she wasn't having a mental breakdown. Amazing.
Boots, I'm totally jealous of your stash. I don't have an electric pump yet, so I'm just doing little bits at a time. 45 oz is great!
I feel like I've finally turned a corner with breastfeeding overall. She broke off from feeding today to give me a huge smile and it completely melted my heart. I still have more nipple pain than I think I should and the painful letdown really really stinks, but overall I finally see myself doing this for the long haul. It feels pretty good.
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