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Are you really anti-vax?

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 

I really hate being looped into that group. I mean as of now I dont, because I havent found any information to compel me to do so. I dont care what other people choose. I consider myself pro-informed choice. If you did the research, and you choose to vaccinate, then I respect that. I dont care what you read to research, if you trust that source thats good enough for me. Just as I dont like people telling me what to do with my child, I dont profess to know whats best for yours.  I just want the right for parents to choose to be preserved, and I think that is something we can all agree on. I think if we focus on that we would be alot farther ahead than setting up all these anti vax sites. It makes people feel judged and on edge and takes away from the real issues. IMO its better to be pro-parent and pro informed consent, than anti-anything. 

post #2 of 25
I tend to be, yes, more and more as I continue to read and research, although a year ago I would have said no, I'm pro choice. Vaccine propaganda is increasingly difficult to avoid and I fear the day is coming when it will be compulsory.

That's not to say I don't respect someone else feeling differently, I just feel that, for my family, I have gone from being concerned, to skeptical, to against vaccinating as I have learned more and become increasingly dissatisfied with the available information.
post #3 of 25
Hum.. I think it's a gradual process, like what happened to Jenny. You start of thinking - ok let's examine these things one by one and then you reach a point where you're like good lord the whole lot of em are evil.
post #4 of 25

No.

 

Anti-vax means against vaccines.

 

I think they might be the best choice in some (rather dire) circumstances, ergo I am not anti-vaccine.  

 

I am very unlikely to choose vaccines for myself or my family.  There are just too many unknowns when it comes to safety and reactions, IMHO.  If I were in an area where a serious VPD was rampant, and there was poor diet, sanitation, medicine, etc…I might feel compelled to make a different decision.

post #5 of 25
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post

No.

 

Anti-vax means against vaccines.

 

I think they might be the best choice in some (rather dire) circumstances, ergo I am not anti-vaccine.  

 

I am very unlikely to choose vaccines for myself or my family.  There are just too many unknowns when it comes to safety and reactions, IMHO.  If I were in an area where a serious VPD was rampant, and there was poor diet, sanitation, medicine, etc…I might feel compelled to make a different decision.

 

My feelings exactly.

post #6 of 25
No, not anti-vax, just informed enough to say no thanks!! wink1.gif
post #7 of 25
No, I'm not anti-vax. I think the current evidence is such that one can research the decision and reasonably decide to vaccinate or not to vaccinate. I can think of a number of circumstances in which we may have gone down the vaccination route and I think we will do some vaccinations in the future.
post #8 of 25
I'm not anti vaccine but I completely want to maintain the right to educate myself, question, delay, and/or refuse vaccines.
post #9 of 25
Thread Starter 

When I first began researching I became very angry with some of the information or lack of information out there. I was of the mind that no one should do it ever, but now I realize that you cant win with that mentality. Its like when Mother Theresa said something along the lines of; I will not attend an anti-war rally, but I will go to a peace rally anytime. I just think we will get a lot more support from parents if we go it it from a pro-parent pro informed decision front. As long as we remain divided and the minority, change will never happen.

post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by MountainMamaGC View Post

When I first began researching I became very angry with some of the information or lack of information out there. I was of the mind that no one should do it ever, but now I realize that you cant win with that mentality. Its like when Mother Theresa said something along the lines of; I will not attend an anti-war rally, but I will go to a peace rally anytime. I just think we will get a lot more support from parents if we go it it from a pro-parent pro informed decision front. As long as we remain divided and the minority, change will never happen.

 

I like this post.

 

I don't really see the bolded happening.  I don't think non-vaxxers are divided.

 

I don't agree with everything every non-vaxxer says, and while I will state my POV, I try to do it in a way that will not divide us.  I have rarely felt any "dividing behaviour" amongst non-vaxxers.

post #11 of 25
Here's an analogy that makes sense to me: I am not in favor of the death penalty, not because I don't think there are crimes that can be appropriately punished by death, but because I don't trust our flawed system to implement it fairly, and the stakes are too high for mistakes to be acceptable. Likewise, I am not in favor of vaccines (for my family, specifically) not because I don't like the concept of vaccination, but because I don't trust the delivery (components, potential reactions, etc), and the stakes are too high (my children's health) for me to take that risk. I am not "anti vax" if you are talking about the abstract idea of vaccination- I honestly don't understand the different theories of how our immune systems work and develop well enough to make that declaration. I am, however, firmly against injecting vaccines into my children or myself at this time, and will remain so until such time as my safety concerns are adequately addressed.
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post

 

I like this post.

 

I don't really see the bolded happening.  I don't think non-vaxxers are divided.

 

I don't agree with everything every non-vaxxer says, and while I will state my POV, I try to do it in a way that will not divide us.  I have rarely felt any "dividing behaviour" amongst non-vaxxers.

I like that post, too.

 

Unfortunately, I HAVE seen "dividing behaviour" amongst non-vaxxers.

 

There are some who really do think that vaccines are part of some kind of nefarious plot to rule the world or something.  If even a non-vaxxer tries to point out any flaws in their presentation of the dangers of vaccines (let alone flaws in their conclusions), they accuse that person of being a pharma-shill. (I've been the pointer-outer, in that little scenario, and I was truly shocked.) They will tolerate NO criticism of their points, their presentation, their spelling, nuthin'! In their perspective, either you're on board with their ideas 100%, or you are The Enemy.

 

There is also a bit of a chasm between those who do a few delayed vaccines and those who refuse to do a single vaccine, ever, no matter what.

 

There are those of us who cannot be called anti-vaxxers or even non-vaxxers, because we DID follow the recommended vaccine schedule, causing injury to ourselves and/or our children.  We no longer vaccinate--but if my children have received a total of 60-something vaccines before the doctor decided to stop, that hardly makes me a non-vaxxer, even if I refuse all further vaccinations for my children.

 

We even see that some of our more famous pro-vaxxers here on MDC admit (especially over on other boards) to delaying or even refusing some vaccines.

 

It's not as simple as we might think.

post #13 of 25

I hope as non-vaxers we are able to put aside our differences because we are all at different places in this journey towards clarity. I am most definitely anti-vax for me and my family and I will do all in my power to keep their physical integrity intact, but I completely respect that others have a less radical views which are totally valid for them. 

post #14 of 25

Nope - neither anti nor pro.

 

However, everytime some pro-vaxer implies that those who aren't convinced about vaxes as ignoramuses who put others at risk so they can leech on others for herd immunity because they're uneducated, unscientific, non-evidence-based crackpots who cannot possibly have any pertinent questions and even if their kids are vax-injured they're making it up because vax injuries are so rare so they're blaming vaxes because, you see, they're ignoramuses who put others at risk ... ad nauseam - I'm inching closer to be anti-vax, or rather, anti pro-vax ...

 

But, then again, I don't care what faction to belong to - it's about my kids ...  And, with regards to other parents, I respect their vax decision no matter what.

post #15 of 25
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Originally Posted by MamaMunchkin View Post

Nope - neither anti nor pro.

 

However, everytime some pro-vaxer implies that those who aren't convinced about vaxes as ignoramuses who put others at risk so they can leech on others for herd immunity because they're uneducated, unscientific, non-evidence-based crackpots who cannot possibly have any pertinent questions and even if their kids are vax-injured they're making it up because vax injuries are so rare so they're blaming vaxes because, you see, they're ignoramuses who put others at risk ... ad nauseam - I'm inching closer to be anti-vax, or rather, anti pro-vax ...

 

But, then again, I don't care what faction to belong to - it's about my kids ...  And, with regards to other parents, I respect their vax decision no matter what.

I was going to say something similar, but MamaMunchkin put it into words far better than I could!

post #16 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post

 

I like this post.

 

I don't really see the bolded happening.  I don't think non-vaxxers are divided.

 

I don't agree with everything every non-vaxxer says, and while I will state my POV, I try to do it in a way that will not divide us.  I have rarely felt any "dividing behaviour" amongst non-vaxxers.

 

Really. I have seen anti-vax agenda spout "Dont vax your children unless you want them to get sick and die." and then the pro-vax agenda spout, "vax your children unless you want them to get sick and die." It really seemed dividing to me. I found a lot of that in my researching.

post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by MamaMunchkin View Post

Nope - neither anti nor pro.

 

However, everytime some pro-vaxer implies that those who aren't convinced about vaxes as ignoramuses who put others at risk so they can leech on others for herd immunity because they're uneducated, unscientific, non-evidence-based crackpots who cannot possibly have any pertinent questions and even if their kids are vax-injured they're making it up because vax injuries are so rare so they're blaming vaxes because, you see, they're ignoramuses who put others at risk ... ad nauseam - I'm inching closer to be anti-vax, or rather, anti pro-vax ...

 

But, then again, I don't care what faction to belong to - it's about my kids ...  And, with regards to other parents, I respect their vax decision no matter what.

 

I kind of have a chuckle, because before I was a SAHM I was a chemist at a pharmaceutical plant. No, I dont know anything about science.

post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by MountainMamaGC View Post

 

Really. I have seen anti-vax agenda spout "Dont vax your children unless you want them to get sick and die." and then the pro-vax agenda spout, "vax your children unless you want them to get sick and die." It really seemed dividing to me. I found a lot of that in my researching.

Got it.

 

I thought you were talking about divisiveness amongst non-vaxxers only.

 

Indeed,  I would offer up this subforum as evidence.  It is not a heavily divided subforum.  

 

There is definitley a lot of divisiveness on the spectrum of vax beliefs as a whole, though. 

post #19 of 25

Being able to make these decisions for your child is one reason I think it is very important to have a parental rights amendment.

 

http://www.parentalrights.org/

post #20 of 25
I Thhink Mountain Mama GC said it well... People shut down in the face of negativity, better to be FOR something than against. It is easy for them to write it off as 'crazy conspiracy theories' but harder for them to argue against 'pro-parent' or informed choice...
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