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post #1 of 15
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A few days ago I posted about how long fish oil and Vitamin B take to start kicking in and no-one has responded. I'm looking for the light at the end of the tunnel or at least a time to say, "Okay, it's time to try something else." If no-one has used these supplements, I'd settle for hearsay or a rumor of how long it takes to work. None of my books give a time frame. Thanks guys!
post #2 of 15
I've never used those particular things but I know it takes a good 4 - 6 wks for things similar to that to kick in. How depressed are you? I mean, did you do the quiz here? My homeopath was very hesitant to put me on anything but "the real thing" (prozac ) when I admitted to having PPD.
post #3 of 15
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Oh, I'm depressed, but I simply won't go on meds while nursing. It really, totally,completely freaks me out. I was hoping that it wasn't the 4-6 week thing, but maybe that's what I'm in for...
post #4 of 15
You poor thing! I'm sure you've tried everything already but I'll make suggestions anyway. :LOL Have you changed your diet? Cut out as many sugars and white flours as you can? Hot baths, aromatherepy, massage, meditation or prayer? Please take good care of yourself. How about excercise? Is it sunny where you are?

again!
post #5 of 15
Hello, I have successfully used cod liver oil to treat depression. Is that what you are taking? Cod liver oil is good because of the vitamin D, since many, many people are deficient. It took like 2-3 weeks at a fairly high dose (4 tsp daily) before I was completely undepressed. This was during the winter when there was like zero sunshine, so my dose is lower now. Anyway, as for B vitamins, I generally avoid them, as they usually contain wheat or gluten, both of which make me super depressed (Even in trace amounts). Anyway, hope some of this helps.
post #6 of 15
Sorry you didn't get replies. I didn't see your post.
Have you tried some of the Bach Flower Remedies?
I use Rescue Remedy when I"m feeling anxious and it works really quickly. Also, I have Gorse. It's supposed to help with feelings of hopelessness. It only good a few days to kick in. You may want to check out the Bach Flower Remedy website.

Exercise is really helpful too. And getting lots of sunshine.

I know it's scarey taking meds while BF. But, I'd encourage you to at least consider it if you get too depressed or this rattles on for a long time. I took a low dose of Zoloft while breastfeeding and it helped. And I've got the happiest baby ever.

Hang in there and keep writing!
Chrissy
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thank you guys so much for responding! Your right, I have tried most of things listed and more. I am taking cod liver, the dosage is 1/2 tsp. daily, I've been taking a whole tsp., but I think I'll increase it. The vitamin B does help a little, at least I feel like I can open my eyes when I take enough. I have a great diet (okay, sometimes I eat white flour or something!), but I'm a nutritionist, so know what to eat, it's just having the strength to do it. I know all the right things to take, good food, supplements, herbs, Bach Flowers, EFA's, the standards, but I was asking about a time frame to maybe come to terms with the fact that natural may not be for me right now. I've had a thought of pumping like a mad woman for the next month or so then weaning my dd onto breastmilk bottles. She's only 7 1/2 mos. But again, that takes strength. I've had some depression before, but this beast is unlike anything I've ever encountered. The problem now is that I don't have the strength physically, emotionally, psychologically to do much of anything, I can barely take care of my babies and then I have nothing left for myself. It takes a lot of energy to treat depression holistically and energy is not what I'm rich in right now. I am also going to therapy and I have found a great therapist after dealing with a couple of dumba$$es, but she feels that we can't really get to do much therapy because I'm in a constant state of "crisis." My "homework" this week was to reconsider going on anti-depressants, my dh recommended a compromise, like I'll wean dd by a certain date, and I added maybe the pumping like a madwoman bit. I agreed to see a psychiatrist under the urging of my therapist just in case I decide to go for the meds. She wanted me to already have had my evaluation so I wouldn't have to wait forever to see the psychiatrist should I change my mind about meds. They are both really accepting of my fears about taking the drugs while nursing and I was glad that neither one made me feel invalidated or something. I'm going to go out and speed walk in the park with the children today, but it's been very hard for me to exercise. This is coming from a woman who was working out, even lifting weights, right up until dd was born. Right up until all of my dc's were born. I have always loved to work out, but I'm just too...well, I don't know, I'm too whatever to do it. You don't know how good this feels to get this all out. I've only told like three people what I'm going through, not even my family. Though my sister cruises this board so she may come across this. I'm hoping she won't visit this particular forum, but I neede to hear from some people who've been there to give me a realistic viewpoint, not just some words in a book, kwim? Well, now my novel is finished...thanks for listening and thank you ever so much for your input.
post #8 of 15
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BTW, ekblad7, I did take the test and my score was frightening. 82. It said 40 or over is major depression, so what am I?
post #9 of 15

I use both

well, not fish oil as I'm a vegetarian but I do use flax oil daily which is a better supplier of the omegas anyway, and I use a vitamin b complex. I cannot say for sure it helped with stress or anxiety at all. I think it truly made me healthier but in the end it took some counseling for me to get beyond my stress and anxiety. Plus a lot of love from family (still searching for more of that), and SLEEP! I know, it's impossible to get sleep sometimes but it helps. Also, I take a bath every night in low light with good smelly stuff and read a book... wether he cries or not and it's up to my husband to deal for 1/2 hour. I totally understand how you feel. Have you ever checked into the idea that you may suffer from chronic fatigue syndrome? Sounds very similiar. I was diagnosed in the early 90's and always am aware of it in the back of my mind when I start to feel totally drained. Diet, exercise all help with that but sometimes it's difficult to make yourself DO the right thing. Have you gotten a massage or a chiropractic adjustment? It may be worth a shot too!
Good luck to you. I feel like I'm JUST coming out of my post partum depressioin and it's been 13 months!
Kimberley
post #10 of 15
Hello again,

I used to be on Zoloft and would not recommend it, but I am now an "avoid medication at all cost" sort of gal. I had severe depression with my first born. Therapy didn't do squat for me, as my problem was nutritional. Major diet overhall was all that worked. Following the recommendations of the Weston Price website is what helped. Conventional nutritional beliefs were the worst for me. It just exacerbated the problem. There is a good website article about the stuff I have used (dietary) that has actually worked. It is http://www.westonaprice.org/women/women.html

Particularly the diet for nursing mothers is important (from the above link). Also flax seed oil is *not* better than cod liver oil. You need the vitamin D and other nutrients that aren't in flax and cannot be absorbed as well. DHA is found in cod liver oil and not in flax oil. ALA is what is in flax oil and usually cannot be converted to DHA. Low DHA levels have been linked to depression.

Anyway, I know of doctors who have success treating depression and hormonal imbalances, etc with high doses of cod liver oil. If you are interested in contacting someone who knows more about this dosing ( 'cause half tsp probably ain't gonna do it!) feel free to PM me, and I will give you some info.
post #11 of 15
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Originally posted by layla
BTW, ekblad7, I did take the test and my score was frightening. 82. It said 40 or over is major depression, so what am I?
Mine was like the highest it could be (in the 90's I believe) I almost fell off of my chair when I read it. That's what prompted me to call the homeopath.
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
My homeopath thinks it would be a good idea to stabilize on drugs then move to a holistic approach because she thinks I'm in "crisis" mode too. Because both my therapist and the psychiatrist said it would be reasonable to consider hospitalization, she thinks meds to stabilize would really benefit me right now. Vegiemom, sleep is a huge factor...or should I say lack of? All of you moms know how it is with a bunch of little ones, someone is always awake in the middle of the night, and right now, dd wants to nurse like every 20-30 minutes all night long! Ugh! I use flax oil often-it's usually the oil on our salads, but Raf is right, it's hard for many people to assimilate in the proper way. Not for everyone, but for many. Doesn't mean it's not great for you, though. We don't eat meat/poultry/dairy/sugar/artificial anything, but do eat certain kinds of salmon and rarely I'll let the kids have tuna as they love it. We do eat eggs. The cod liver oil, as far as I can tell, seems to be superior nutritionally, so I'm giving it a whirl, but will up my dosage today. I had a rare moment of clarity this weekend and realized that it must be hell to live with me. Not that I didn't think that before, it's just that it was somehow clearer this weekend. I have gotten a massage, my dad is the best masseus ever, but haven't been able to get to the chiro because of scheduling with four children. I' like to try acupuncture, because I love acupuncture, but it's expensive, and again, scheduling...I started to check out westonprice.com and added it to my bookmarks to look more into it. What I've seen so far is actually much like what I've been taught, I actually studied/study holistic nutrition, so it's a bit off the beaten path of crap that's so popular. I wonder about the chronic fatigue...vegiemom, I'm glad your coming out of your depression! I'm sure you feel so relieved! If you take the depression test and get slightly different a number of times, that doesn't matter, right? I mean unless it really jumps or something? I got the 82 the first time I took it, so I go with that number. I got like an 81, 87,88 but that doesn't really change anything, right? Thanks for listening...
post #13 of 15
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Originally posted by layla
BTW, ekblad7, I did take the test and my score was frightening. 82. It said 40 or over is major depression, so what am I?
What test is this? Where can I take it?
post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 
It's the sticky on this forum for the ppd website. Click the link and it will lead you to the test.
post #15 of 15
I felt healthier on the oils but it didn't help my depression.I just went to a holisitic practioner who told me my body is not digesting properly and i have not been metabolizing the oils.So i have to do a cleanse to get my system up and running.Like you i was very,very afraid of taking anything medical.I ended up taking an herbal supplement at [url]www.clarocet-nri.com. Within a month i was good,two months i was great,at three months i was anxiety free.No joke.I do not sell this stuff it just really helped me.Or try the Stress-J remedy through Nature's Sunshine.Awesome stuff.Also i would up your B vitamins,take some Evening PRimrose to balance your horomones and some more vitamin C.Oh and some Folic Acid.
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