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post #1 of 21
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I'm just curious how other people think about this. So, did you "choose" your religion, spirituality, personification of the divine, etc., or was it a "necessity" in some way? Or is it something you just kinda-sorta accpeted from childhood and never much considered?

For me, it was a pretty long, convoluted path that led me to atheism. Here's the short version: My parents raised me with the notion that I'd choose my own way when I was old enough. I became interested in Druidry first as a religion (which I now consider misguided for many reason, one being Druid isn't IMO a religion), but in a real fluffy bunny way. Once I learned a bit more about the pre-Christian Celts, I was still interested and began *real* Neo-Druid Reconstruiction training. Oddly, when I started this I was a hardcore polytheist. But part of the training was to think really critically about the nature of the world and whatnot. As I looked for answers to "why?" and got more confused, I had to accept that there didn't need to be an answer. The more science I learn the less I see an "invisible hand" of any sort.

\|/ Karen Ann
post #2 of 21
I was raised as an atheist, for the most part. My mom was a Catholic nun who lost her faith and married my atheist scientist father. They meant to raise me to choose for myself, but my father's strong atheist views were quite influential. Given the absence of any info about religions (besides D'aulaire's Book of Greek Myths, and eventually a Huston Smith World Relgions book), I didn't have the ability to make an informed decision. Nor the interest, really.
I dismissed Christianity very early in life. Starting in Kindergarten, Christians picked on me about my atheism. I was called names, told I was going to Hell, told I had no morals, told I worshipped the devil, etc. I absolutely rejected Christianity based on the Christians I knew, and their treatment of me. They treated other non-Christians similarly, but I got the brunt of it. I decided that the idea of one higher power was incompatible with my experiences, so a few other religions were struck from my list.
In high school, I started looking into Wicca - mostly because that was popular amongst my classmates. I couldn't make myself believe in that either, so I stuck with my atheist viewpoints.
When I was 20, I had a revelation. I realized that some of the things I had held onto as truth were actually false. Thus, I decided, I couldn't KNOW anything for sure. I let go of the belief that there is no higher power, and embraced agnosticism. I didn't know if there was a supreme being, and I would probably never know. That worked for me... For awhile.
My father died two weeks before I turned 21. It was a very stressful time in my life. I started taking Yoga classes. At my first class, as we were laying in the grass, meditating, I had an experience. Some people call it a spiritual experience or an ecstatic experience. My atheist best friend decided it was either an acid flashback or a symptom of my Bipolar Disorder. Science would say it was a misfiring in my brain. There are other names and explanations for it, as well. I don't claim to know what it was. I won't go into details here, but it was enough to make me search further. I was consumed by the need to understand what had happened to me, what it meant, and how to make it happen again. (I had another experience a few months later, though not as powerful, and not really similar in nature.)
First, I explored Taoism (Daoism). I fell in love with the Tao Te Ching (Dao De Jing). Philosophical Taoism fit me, and I ran with it. Then, I started looking at Buddhism. I was interested, but it didn't capture my heart and mind the way Taosim did. After a day at a Buddhist meditation weekend, I was ready to forget about Buddhism altogether. The people who were calling themselves Buddhists were rude, condescending, and inconsiderate. At that point, I was pregnant. Since then, I haven't done much thinking about it at all.
I call myself an atheist now. It's what I'm comfortable with, and easy enough. I would still like to explore my spirituality, but I don't have the time or energy at the moment. I find it difficult to really believe in anything. I have ideas that I like, that I'm comfortable with, but I can't say I really believe in them as fact. I don't know what I would qualify as, if I meshed all those ideas together. Perhaps a pantheist. My spiritual side isn't incompatible with science, as far as I know. I don't believe in a higher power in the sense that most people seem to define "God". I don't believe in anything that requires worship or prayer, or is involved in fixing our daily lives.
Wow! This is a long post! Sorry about that!
To answer the question, I've explored my spirituality, but reverted back to my childhood beliefs out of necessity. If I became too involved with further exploring right now, I'd be too distracted to be the mother that I want to be. Like many other things in my life, my spirituality has been put on the back-burner.
post #3 of 21
I don't considerate a choice really. my eyes were open and I couldn't deny what was before me. I had to chose weather to embrace it or run from it but there wqas no denying it.
post #4 of 21
I have had unexplainable religious experiences in my life, much like what Lotusdebi describes, or tried to describe.
I did not choose to have those experiences, they just happened.
What I do choose are the words and traditions with which I attempt to describe and explain those experiences to myself, none of which are accurate enough to satisfy me. That is why I find myself unable to follow any one particular religion over any other, but do find bits and pieces of many different faiths that fit in with what I believe the divine has revealed to me.
post #5 of 21
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I'm just curious how other people think about this. So, did you "choose" your religion, spirituality, personification of the divine, etc., or was it a "necessity" in some way? Or is it something you just kinda-sorta accpeted from childhood and never much considered?
I just accepted what had been fed to me until I was almost 30 years old. I explored (read books about) other religions but never strayed far.

Then when I finally started questioning and investigating things for myself, I knew I had to find a new path.

So for me it was a necessity to choose a new spiritual path...and I'm still seeking!
post #6 of 21
for me, it was very important that my religion be a choice. I still follow the religion that I have been a part of since childhood, but it is not just a default thing, KWIM? I think this comes from how i live my life anyways- i don't want to just go thru the motions or do things blindly with anything in my life, much less religion.
post #7 of 21
It took a long time for me to finally see and understand what was before me. I always knew what sought wasn't anything that I had been exposed to growing up. It wasn't until I started reading and talking to others that I could finally name what was before me and realize that it was what I sought. To me, it was always a choice to accept or deny it.

Nissa
post #8 of 21
Absolutely.

I was raised knowing that I always had a choice. My mother was an Orthodox Jew who was not living a very frum life (although I think if she won the lottery she would definately be frum... but that's another story!) throughout my childhood, but we knew what was up. We were always encouraged to question and to find our own paths in life, to find answers that were suitable for our own personal needs. Comparative theology discussions and research happened all the time in my family, it was great fun.

At any rate, I decided when I was ten or eleven that I needed to read through the entire Tanach in Hebrew and in English. It took me until I was 14 to complete it. (Lots of reading!!) I decided, for the moment, that I was not cut out to be frum at the very least, and maybe not Jewish at all. I also decided that Christianity was right out; having actually read the Scripture regarding Moshiach, I knew that Jesus just didn't fit the bill. (Interesting side note: at this point in my life, one of my sisters [12 years old] decided that she was something involving Christianity, my older brother [21 years old] had decided he was an Agnostic and my younger brother [13 years old] was living as a frum Jew.) I decided to study Wicca and Paganism, practiced Wicca for a while (3 or 4 years) and Paganism for a while longer.

I'd pretty much slid out of any consistant religious thinking when I met Mike, and didn't really think too much about it until I met his father & sister (very very very conservative Christians.. How Mike grew up to be such a liberal, we'll never know! :LOL) At any rate, Mike's dad used to be a Minister and is a born proselytizer (sp?) and would go on at length about "The Old Testament says this" when trying to get me to convert, or prove that Mike and I were living a sinful life, or whatever. So I pulled out my Tanach and proceeded to prove him wrong, and to get very very irritated with the way he would pull (mistranslated!!) verses & words out of context to 'prove' his points. I decided that there was no logic at all behind Christianity (especially the more conservative varieties), and went on a seriously anti-Christian kick for a while (very offensive to poor Mike!) as a passive-aggressive way of dealing with my irritation.

Mike and I discussed some "Old Testament" ( : ) law, which we read from one of my translations. This made it easier for me to look up the Hebrew and talk about how I understood those words. We had a really good time with it..

And then I got pregnant, and fell asleep for three months. :LOL So that project was abandoned, but I still thought about religion a lot. I needed something to teach my children, something which both of us could be comfortable with and which would set them up to do what I had done. To feel comfortable asking questions and finding answers in many different places. I want my kids to grow up knowing that there are many truths and that some people hold more closely to certain truths, and that some answers are right for person A but not person B and there's really nothing wrong with that. I ended up joining a Reform Jewish congregation to that end; I could get what I need for my children out of it, and at the same time I don't have to deal with the horrors of announcing to FIL that I want to raise the kids Pagan. (Jews are misguided, apparently, but Pagans are just plain sinners. : )

Mike is having a bit of a crisis of faith right now. I have no idea what will come of it, but I'm very helpful because I think that for the first time in his life, *something* will come of it. He'll ask some questions, make some decisions and act on them, instead of just wishing for it to kind of happen by osmosis. :LOL
post #9 of 21
bumping


What is really a choice? We have free will yes, but to me that just means I can choose to ignore what I feel is right, am drawn to or where I'm led. But if I follow was it a choice?


not looking for an answer to the question. Just a pondering.
post #10 of 21
I don't totally understand Calvinsim, but they say God chooses you. I don't quite understand that since God also gave us free will. Some scripture does back up their view.
post #11 of 21
Both. It chose me and I chose it.

Judaism is more than a religion ... it's an ethnic and cultural heritage, beyond the religious heritage. So once you're it, you're it. So that's that. And then I chose to follow a particular religious path within it, after dabbling with the various other (specifically Jewish) paths and then finding a rebbe ... so it's both choice and no choice and beyond choice.

While I took courses about comparative religion, read books, too, they were just not an issue at all. Made for interesting reading, but never was anything more than something interesting to read about.
post #12 of 21
I’d like to participate in this thread but I don’t have a religion. It’s important to me to recognize that I don’t have much of a choice. I don’t feel any pull to religion or spirituality at all and I don’t feel like I have a choice in this. There were many times that I wished this was different for me.
post #13 of 21
I think it's complex. I do think I chose. I consciously chose to abandon the religious tradition in which I was born, partly because I felt rejected by it and partly because it just wasn't spiritually satifsying. Then I went looking for something else, wandered into the Neo-Pagan spiritual fold and felt like it was getting closer (I at least was accepted), and when I found my feet on a path that made total sense to me (Asatru) and didn't contradict scientific fact and didn't reject me...then had a spiritual experience which confirmed that I was on the right path, I knew I'd come home.

Whenever I feel like it's just not satisfying, I analyze what I believe, I have several times opened myself to the possibility of converting to something else...but always choose the same path again.
post #14 of 21
I left Catholicism in spirit at 17 when my good bisexual friend died of AIDS and my priest and supporting doctine in the catechism led me to think he had no chance of salvation in God's eyes. I didn't think there was something wrong with God, just with the Catholic Church. Plus, I'd been "picking and choosing" my doctrine and I wanted a church I could embrace fully. I had no church for 6 years, though I made such good money in the Catholic music ministry that I still worked for the church. During the Creed, I stopped saying "we believe in one Catholic, apostolic church"--because I didn't. Apostolic? Yes. Catholic? No.

After college I started looking into the basic doctrines of many churches and sects--even Scientology. I wanted the church that best fit *my* beliefs. Eventually, through conversations with many friends, I realized the arrogance and pride I was exhibiting, and started trying to find what *God* wanted me to do, who He wanted me to be. I sought long and hard, and chose to be LDS.

However, my parents, who are lapsed Catholics, were *not* pleased that I left. When it came down to it, they couldn't walk the walk. They'd always preached open-mindedness, never went to church and didn't run a Catholic or religious-type home...but when I left, they were furious. Silly.

Many kind and well-meaning Catholics have walked me through the catechism and said "gay doesn't mean hell." My parents point out my friend was buried in consecrated ground. But I interpret mortal sin differently, based on the bible.
post #15 of 21
KermitmissesJim, how do you reconcile the LDS marginalization of gay people since this was a pivotal issue to you leaving the catholic church?
post #16 of 21
eilonwy, thank you for sharing the journey you took, as well as your dh and siblings' and moms'! You summed it all up nicely in a nutshell. Very interesting.

I am so eclectic, I can't say I have chosen a religion. Cosmologist? Solitary UU mutt?
post #17 of 21
I didn't choose my religion; like Merpk, I felt that as long as I was born Jewish, I had a religious heritage, and that was it. I wasn't going to go through searching through the world's spiritual smorgasbord when I had something great at home.

On the other hand, Judaism is a rich and diverse tradition. So I have spent a lot of time trying to find my place in Judaism. I have been a member of various kinds of congregations, mainly unaffiliated ones. I grew up in the Reform movement and I knew that wasn't for me. I have participated in Orthodox, Conservative and Reconstructionist services and home rituals. I am also really into the Jewish secular culture. I sort of wish I could simultaneously be part of everything!

Right now I do feel connected to different kinds of Jews through my religious practice and I feel like Jewish religious language is working really well for me to describe my personal spiritual experiences. I also feel that being involved in the Jewish community for religious expression helps me to connect with non-Jewish religious people. So, I am happy.
post #18 of 21
Yes, I have chosen my own path, but in the same breath, I feel as though I have no logical choice but the path I am currently on... Not sure if that makes sence, but it's what I feel. I started out in very conservative Christianity. I was taught that my particular denomination was the only one who practiced 'true' Christianity, and that we were the only ones going to heaven. How sad. I remember being troubled about this as a child, and asking the mininster about it. "One cannot argue w/ God. He cannot bear to look upon evil." It was troubling, but true. As a teenager my family became even more involved in church. My dad became a lay preacher (no formal training, but would preach at small congregations that couldn't support a FT preacher). Lots of kids that went to our church were allowed to do things like go to dances, wear stylish clothes, ect., but I wasn't. My dad would rail against this, and make poor examples out of these kids. I felt left out, and a misfit at school (and I pretty much was). I remember talking to other kids about thier churches. I found that most didn't give an extra thought to God, and just tried to be good people. That was enough. When I met my DH, he was baptist. My parent about flipped, but didn't forbid me to see him (why, I have no idea!). I constantly heard "sermons" from my Dad about what made baptists wrong. My DH went to church w/ me every Sunday night, and I remember actually being aware of how the teaching sounded to someone not in the "church". The preacher at the time (not my dad) would start sermons out by making jokes about other religions. It was embarassing. My DH (BF at the time) could not believe that anyone would have the nerve to actually attack anyone else's beliefs. Now, I had been taught that ALL churches do this. Why else would one chose the Methodist over the Baptist church unless he believed that the Baptist church was wrong? Why not point out the things others are doing against God? (Publically). As I stated earlier, my dad would point out things others did that was 'wrong.'

I went to church twice w/ my DH before we were married. Both times I had to listen to how horrible I was for going, and turning against truth. Once was the day of my wedding shower. I would have considered it rude to not attend church, but go to the shower afterwards. My parents didn't feel this was a valid excuse for God.

After we were married, we went to the church my Dad preached at. It is very small with few young adults. Now, I must say here that I had not always agreed w/ everything the 'church" taught. There is no where in the bible that forbids musical insturments, there is no command not to dance, the love taught in the bible was and is clearly not being conveyed by this church. My DH and I decided that our needs were not being met, I didn't agree w/ everything the church taught, so we decided to look for the "truth" before we had any children, and make our home at a nice church that we were both happy attending. That was late 2000, early 2001.

We researched different denominations on-line, and real alot about the beginning of both my church (wow, it's not even that old ) and the baptist church. We read about different philosophies, calvinism, ect. We couldn't agree on what we both wanted.

We started by reading the Bible, only there was a problem, we both had different "interpretations" on what different scriptures ment. Clearly we had to first understand Judaism to understand if the NT scriptures were speaking of commands to christians nowdays, or in cultural context? We needed to understand the culture. Here was our first real venture into other religions. Of course, we thought it wasn't really considered another "reglion" per se b/c we "came" from Jews, right? What a SHOCK!!! Judaism is nothing as we thought it was. We learned about jewish history, and also about jews today. I even lurked on Jewish mama discussion boards. We also started looking into the actual history of the Jesus story, and we started to actually understand the old testament, and how it was possible for Judasim to be so different that we had percieved. We learned about other prominant religons in the area at different times, Mithraism, Zorastrianism, ect. We were now liberal Christians We no longer believed in scriptural inerrancy, but chose to just keep christianity as our main focus.

All this time we were still attending the church my Dad preached at. It was becoming more and more uncomfortable to stay and listen. My DH was liking it less and less,an so was I. Unfortunatley I didn't have enough of a backbone to share my new thoughts, at this time my DH didn't even know my true feelings and thoughts. In March of 2002 (yes, it took me that long) I finally told my parents that we were no longer members of said church. It was hard, and I asked to not talk about it for a while. They thought (and still do) that I needed psychiatric help. They have never accepted this. It has been 2 years of feeling uncomfortable, still being invited to church functions, being invited over to find that there are 30 other church members invited over too. It would be so easy to go back, admit that I have sinned, and want to be welcomed back to the fold. Right now things are especially bad. My parents have disowned me... When I said at the beginning that I chose this path, it's true. I chose to question and to learn more. I still do, and my DH and I still enjoy reading about other religions very much! It's one of our favorite topics. Currently we are interested in Buddhism. When I say I have no choice but this path, I mean that I have to listen to reason. The way I was raised is not right for anyone. Hatred, arrogance, judgemental criticism, these things were not for me, and never will be. I cannot go back, I cannot unlearn, I cannot forget. I must continue to enlighten myself. I cannot dwell onthe bad, I must look for the good. I do see some good in Christianity, and all relgions for that matter. I try to not let my experience color my views, though it is very hard.
post #19 of 21
Freethinker, you go girlfriend.

There is a reason it was unlawful for Xtians to own a Bible for many centuries.

As the joke goes, seminaries produce the best atheists.
post #20 of 21
I was raised Roman Catholic.

I am forever grateful for this experience and education. It was excellent.

When I grew up, in public high school and college, as the saying goes, "most of my best friends were Jewish", and I simply loved the way Jewish people would discuss politics, life, society,... I love the way Jewish people honored education and honest opinions, as a tradition.

JMHO.

I converted to Judaism at the age of thirty. I waited that long because I wanted to be sure that is what I really wanted. I was always told that I was immature and did not know what I wanted in life. : DH and I converted together with our then three children.

If any or all of my children decided to change their spiritual path, I would support them in their search for G-d.

I honor everyone's honest journey for spiritual truth.

G-d bless you all.
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